Last Thursday Geert Wilders was interviewed by the state broadcasting service in the Netherlands. He discussed the Islamization of Europe, and in particular the “Moroccan problem” in the Netherlands. He also spoke out against the European juggernaut, decrying the surrender of Dutch sovereignty to Brussels.
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NOS: Something that is also pending, which is one of the two core points |
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of the PVV that started with the declaration of independence |
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when the PVV was founded: one was |
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the government culture and the other was the fight against Islam. |
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You have announced Fitna 2, what’s the status of that? |
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GW: Yes. it will certainly appear but I am not |
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working on it at the moment. It’s not my number 1 priority at the moment. |
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I have just published a book in America, |
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earlier this year about Islam, the book |
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will be published at the beginning of January, or the end of January I think, in Germany |
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I am going to address the theme of Islam |
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next year too in addition to everything concerned with Europe, |
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and with the economic situation |
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and put Islam more on the agenda again. People will |
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more than in recent years |
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see us, and myself personally, oppose |
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the Islamisation of the Netherlands – still the greatest threat |
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facing our country, whether it concerns immigration |
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or Islamic schools or mosques |
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or the ‘Moroccan problem’ we have, |
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culturally and religiously, but also socially |
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oriented. We are going to pay attention to these. There are actually three important topics |
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for next year for the PVV. One is of course everything concerned with the economy |
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easing the burden on people, boosting the economy |
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and opposing the package from the two socialist parties |
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who want to increase taxes instead of reducing them and not touch development aid |
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the European Union and so on. That’s one. The second is Europe |
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ensuring that we continue to be an independent country. That, as the Netherlands, we ensure |
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we don’t become subordinate to Europe. We have to submit our budget |
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to Brussels. We did that for the first time last year. A lot of people don’t know that |
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and we are now going to sign contracts with Brussels so that we hardly need any more |
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elections in the Netherlands, so much is going to Brussels. We are also going to try |
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to prevent that and develop alternatives. Organise congresses |
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here in the Dutch parliament too. The third point is the Islamic |
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step things up a notch, both here in the Netherlands |
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but also internationally, from Australia to America, to |
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Switzerland, to everywhere, but also here in the Netherlands to ensure |
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that the greatest sickness that our country has had during the last century – which is called Islam |
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that we finally tackle it, drive it back, |
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stop relativising it by calling it a religion. |
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This message, these three things, they are my challenge |
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for the next year. I once |
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founded Islam … sorry, Islam… I founded the PVV |
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to combat Islam. We chose the name Party for Freedom, we talked about it earlier in this interview, |
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is concerned with my absolute conviction |
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that Islam and freedom are diametrically opposed to one another |
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the more Islam you have, the less freedom everyone in a country has. You can see that |
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in the countries where Islam is dominant. The Arabic Spring |
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doesn’t exist … It will never exist in the Netherlands either, it is always a stark, angry |
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dark winter. And we must not have that in the Netherlands. |
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I am going to make proposals, offer ideas |
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that are needed in the Netherlands. NOS: In the Dutch parliament, this plea |
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your fight against Islam, has no support. |
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Except perhaps the SGP, which also has major reservations |
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about Islam. But none of the other parties say, |
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yes, we agree with that. GW: But that doesn’t matter. It’s the same with Europe. Look, |
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even the socialist party, Mr Roemer, has said that |
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he doesn’t exclude a political union in the future; that he |
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thinks such a thing can be considered. Our position on Europe |
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Not one party says we should stop giving money to Greece |
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we mustn’t transfer competencies to |
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… stop Brussels. The same |
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applies for Islam, perhaps with the exception of the SGP, |
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that doesn’t mean we should stay silent. |
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I am convinced that very many people in the Netherlands |
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are fed up with the fact that we have been paying billions to Greece and Brussels |
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while here in the Netherlands |
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people are still burdened with tax and VAT increases and so on |
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NOS: Getting back to Islam, that is one the key issues you are going to step up … GW: Yes, |
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NOS: I am going to focus on, you say, but it has no support |
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GW: Look, you are more “Haags” than I am |
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You appear to live in a Hague bubble |
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… support in parliament … what do I care about parliament? |
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what’s important is support in the Netherlands. I am here for the electorate. Of course, it’s nice |
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if a proposal gets majority support in parliament. |
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But we aren’t going to change our position on Europe, Islam, or taxation |
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in such a way that, |
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dilute it so that it becomes a weak compromise |
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with a majority. I would rather set our sights higher and take a standpoint for our voters |
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and try and change the Netherlands, create the conditions for that |
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than avoid the issues, reach compromises and then |
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take a step back, as page 18 of the Agrarisch Dagblad said, |
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that doesn’t help the Netherlands. We have to stand by our principles |
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those of the PVV; change the Netherlands how we want it and not |
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come along with weak compromises. NOS: But do your supporters see the fight against Islam |
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I get the impression that they do see the problems with Islam |
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where they live, but you justify it much more on an ideological level, namely |
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the war between the West and Islam. GW: They are related. |
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You can look at the fight at a macro level. You can say |
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it is an ideology comparable to fascism … |
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that’s true … we have to fight on that |
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basis. That’s why I wrote a book, travel, give speeches, |
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make films; that’s a very important goal, but you can also see the fight |
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– and that is just as important – that people also fight at the micro level. |
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I said it last week too, it’s a Moroccan problem, it’s not a problem |
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with New Zealanders or Canadians. We have a Moroccan problem. |
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In their nature, or in their culture, I should say, |
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everything that doesn’t belong to their group |
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can be attacked. That is the vision, and that’s what I call it, |
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Moroccan racism. Moroccans rarely |
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steal from each other, |
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beat each other up, |
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that doesn’t happen. But the tram driver |
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who is spat on, the woman in the street who is whistled at |
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and beaten up or assaulted. The people who are robbed in a shopping centre |
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they notice, and those are the hard statistics, |
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that the cause is often – and I don’t say always, it isn’t all Moroccans – |
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Moroccan people. I told you earlier, 60% of Moroccan |
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youth are known to the police. |
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Those are unheard of statistics and of course they are culture-related, |
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of course they are related to upbringing, and of course they are related to the Islamic |
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culture. You must conduct that debate, and we do that. |
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at micro level; but we also do it at macro level. |
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NOS: You call it Moroccan racism, but is it |
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Islamic racism? Can we compare the Moroccans with Turkish racism? |
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Islam is racist. I mean, |
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Islam reads in the Quran that everything that isn’t Islamic |
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is inferior |
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must pay tax, must be subservient as a dhimmi |
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must be subjugated, or must be killed; in essence, |
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Islam is a racist, totalitarian ideology. |
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NOS: Do you think that Moroccans, Turks, Islamists in the Netherlands also feel that way? |
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GW: I can’t speak on behalf of all those people, |
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I’m certainly not going to say that they are all like that, |
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that would not be right, and I don’t think it’s so. But I do |
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think that a culture, an ideology – a religion as some people call it – |
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must honestly be called what it is. |
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and that what is happening on the streets in the Netherlands is not a coincidence, |
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that it doesn’t happen with Canadians, but it does happen with Moroccans |
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and you must deal strictly with that, with serious punishment, taking away their passports |
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and deporting them, but you must also make the right analysis and that is concerned |
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with a racist ideology, a racist religion called |
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Islam. It’s not the people; it’s the ideology, |
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and you have to dare to say that or you will never solve the problems |
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NOS: Is that your mission in life? GW: Absolutely. |
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NOS: How long will you keep doing it? GW: Until I die. NOS: As a member of parliament too? |
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GW: As a member of parliament too, yes, |
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though maybe not when I’m 93 if I ever get that old. This is extremely important. |
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But to reiterate, I’m not driven by hate of people or anything, |
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I don’t hate anyone, but because I know that freedom |
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is worth it, and I know that lots of people. |
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I’ve visited nearly all of the Islamic countries, they are very |
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friendly, hospitable people |
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who all have one thing in common, they live under the yoke of Islamic ideology |
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are oppressed, punished |
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are limited in every way possible, and you see that |
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what is happening there is also happening in the West and you have to stop it |
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if we want to ensure that your children, my children, our grandchildren |
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will be able to live in a free country. We mustn’t fight a war against |
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people, but we must dare to call a racist ideology -which is what Islam is – |
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what it is, and not be held back by threats |
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court cases, or politicians of whatever party |
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that just encourages me to continue. |
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2013 will be the year we oppose |
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the cabinet, give the Netherlands back to the people, fight for Europe |
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and fight the racism of Islam even more. |