Fjordman Interview, Part 5: “They Had to Invent a Version of Me as the Culprit”

This is the fifth excerpt from a January 11 interview with Fjordman. Previously: Part 1, Part 2, Part 3, Part 4.

Below is the fifth installment of the interview, recorded on January 7 and published on January 11. It was translated for subtitles by Fjordman himself.

Many thanks to Vlad Tepes and RAIR Foundation for the subtitling:

For more on Breivik’s letters from prison see “Breivik’s ‘Double-Psychology’””.

Video transcript:

40:01   They [the Left] lacked a conceptual apparatus with which to comprehend these actions.
40:07   It therefore became easy for them to talk about critics of Islam, Islamophobes, conspiracy…
40:14   This entire vocabulary that is still being used today.
40:21   You became the focal point for that.
40:26   You became evil personified.
40:31   Regarding Breivik, the best option would have been if the police had shot him at Utøya.
40:36   Quite a few people think that he should have been shot at Utøya.
40:42   But then you became a target, because you were defenseless.
40:47   Breivik said that he was a knight
40:54   and a Commander of the Knights Templar.
40:58   In retrospect, it is striking to notice how many media outlets,
41:03   without any evidence, accepted [Breivik’s] claim that there was a large terrorist network.
41:09   The only thing [the media] have found in tens years is me.
41:14   I then have to be a terrorist network more or less singlehandedly.
41:18   Otherwise, they have searched for a decade and found absolutely nothing.
41:22   They haven’t found even a single Knights Templar dwarf between 2011 and 2021.
41:28   Somebody had to be [the force] behind Breivik.
41:31   Since they never found anyone, they had to invent a version of me as the culprit.
41:38   I find it incredibly unfortunate
41:44   that the footage from the trial is not public.
41:48   One of the most powerful experiences I have ever had
41:51   was [the prosecutor] Inga Bejer Engh’s interrogation of Breivik.
41:56   It was a condensed historical drama.
42:01   She stripped him bare.
42:05   He then concluded that the Knights Templar were simply a few sweaty men in a basement.
42:11   So it was nothing. —But still, some Norwegian journalists after the trial
42:17   said that we now have to start digging again.
42:23   In my own case, I would claim to be one of the most thoroughly checked Norwegians currently alive.
42:30   People have found nothing on me in ten years.
42:36   [The supposed terrorist network] Knights Templar does not exist and never did.
42:39   That would be my claim. —One must then ask why Breivik
42:43   has said that he is a leader of this terrorist network.
42:47   If you read his so-called manifesto…
42:50   Have you read all of it? —No.
42:54   It is referred to as a manifesto, but Breivik himself calls it a compendium.
42:57   If you read it, you will see that it actually consists of two different and highly distinct texts.
43:01   It is divided into two parts, approximately in the middle.
43:04   The first half is psychologically normal, for the most part.
43:07   That is because Breivik did not write this.
43:10   The second half of the text was written by Anders Behring Breivik himself, to a large extent.
43:15   I am quite sure of that, and he also said this himself during the trial.
43:18   This part [of the text] is completely crazy, plain and simple.
43:24   He also has elaborate fantasies about murder, which are very real.
43:29   Ideology is not very…
43:32   It is more about psychology than about politics, really.
43:35   Yes. I noticed that many of the texts he added
43:41   were written in 2009, at the latest.
43:45   The final texts, including his bomb diary, were written in 2010 and 2011, before the attacks.
43:53   I personally believe that I can see in the text that his mental state continuously deteriorated.
43:57   He [Breivik] got worse and worse, the later into the text you get.
44:03   His symptoms correspond to paranoid schizophrenia.
44:08   The initial [court-appointed] forensic psychiatrists [in 2011]
44:11   concluded that Breivik suffers from paranoid schizophrenia.
44:14   This corresponds to that what I can see [in the text],
44:17   even though I have admittedly not talked to him directly.
44:20   Another issue, which I mention in the second edition
44:24   of my book Vitne til vanvidd [Witness to Madness],
44:27   which was completed in the fall of 2019 and published in 2020,
44:31   is that I have been able to look at some letters which Breivik has sent from jail.
44:37   He has sent several letters from his prison cell
44:41   to various [Norwegian] media, international media, the Royal Palace, the Chinese embassy etc.
44:46   I have seen one letter [from ABB] written in English, and several written in Norwegian.
44:52   These texts are extremely abnormal, psychologically speaking.
44:58   I would personally label them as insane.
45:01   Here, we are not talking about the manifesto from 2011.
45:04   We are dealing with texts which [Breivik] wrote in 2013, 2014, 2015, etc.
45:09   I have wondered several times why Norwegian media
45:12   say so little about these letters, which they do have.
45:15   I did not personally receive these letters, but I have access to a source which has some of them.
45:20   I suspect this is because he comes across as so obviously insane
45:24   in these letters that it is somewhat embarrassing.
45:28   Paranoid schizophrenia is a serious mental illness.
45:33   Some people are cured of it. Not everybody suffers from it for the rest of their life.
45:38   However, Anders Behring Breivik, or Fjotolf as he calls himself now,
45:41   is in solitary confinement in prison.
45:44   If he does indeed suffer from paranoid schizophrenia, this will not simply disappear
45:48   in an unfavorable environment, and without receiving any known treatment.
45:52   In my view, the letters which Breivik has sent from prison
45:55   indicate a man who still suffers from paranoid schizophrenia, in his prison cell.
45:59   This is because the Norwegian justice system will not recognize his insanity.
46:03   I cannot prove this, of course. However, the psychologically abnormal texts he sends
46:08   from prison correspond to such a conclusion.
46:17   Obviously, nobody is claiming that he is innocent. Nor do I.
46:21   He was at Utøya and was arrested there. He is a mass murderer.
46:26   However, if he really is insane,
46:29   then this could change your view of the trial and what happened there.
46:35   Did Norway truly handle Anders Behring Breivik?
46:38   If the sanity verdict [from Oslo District Court in August 2012] is incorrect,
46:42   then we have an insane person in jail,
46:45   because the Norwegian society and justice system
46:48   refuse to recognize his insanity.
46:51   At the same time, he is being used politically against critics of Islam and immigration.
46:56   This is less perfect than what [the author] Åsne Seierstad and others like to claim.

For a complete archive of Fjordman’s writings, see the multi-index listing in the Fjordman Files.

3 thoughts on “Fjordman Interview, Part 5: “They Had to Invent a Version of Me as the Culprit”

  1. Interesting video. Again, thanks for posting foreign-language (European) content. Much of the fast-read headline content of today’s online “news” is meant to provoke an immediate response; not so much agreement versus disagreement, but righteous cheering versus inflammed anger. The benefit of these videos is to give a little time to think and consider, without feeling provoked and maniupulated.

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