This is the fifth excerpt from a January 11 interview with Fjordman. Previously: Part 1, Part 2, Part 3, Part 4.
Below is the fifth installment of the Document.no interview, recorded on January 7 and published on January 11. It was translated for subtitles by Fjordman himself.
Many thanks to Vlad Tepes and RAIR Foundation for the subtitling:
For more on Breivik’s letters from prison see “Breivik’s ‘Double-Psychology’””.
Video transcript:
40:01 | They [the Left] lacked a conceptual apparatus with which to comprehend these actions. | |
40:07 | It therefore became easy for them to talk about critics of Islam, Islamophobes, conspiracy… | |
40:14 | This entire vocabulary that is still being used today. | |
40:21 | You became the focal point for that. | |
40:26 | You became evil personified. | |
40:31 | Regarding Breivik, the best option would have been if the police had shot him at Utøya. | |
40:36 | Quite a few people think that he should have been shot at Utøya. | |
40:42 | But then you became a target, because you were defenseless. | |
40:47 | Breivik said that he was a knight | |
40:54 | and a Commander of the Knights Templar. | |
40:58 | In retrospect, it is striking to notice how many media outlets, | |
41:03 | without any evidence, accepted [Breivik’s] claim that there was a large terrorist network. | |
41:09 | The only thing [the media] have found in tens years is me. | |
41:14 | I then have to be a terrorist network more or less singlehandedly. | |
41:18 | Otherwise, they have searched for a decade and found absolutely nothing. | |
41:22 | They haven’t found even a single Knights Templar dwarf between 2011 and 2021. | |
41:28 | Somebody had to be [the force] behind Breivik. | |
41:31 | Since they never found anyone, they had to invent a version of me as the culprit. | |
41:38 | I find it incredibly unfortunate | |
41:44 | that the footage from the trial is not public. | |
41:48 | One of the most powerful experiences I have ever had | |
41:51 | was [the prosecutor] Inga Bejer Engh’s interrogation of Breivik. | |
41:56 | It was a condensed historical drama. | |
42:01 | She stripped him bare. | |
42:05 | He then concluded that the Knights Templar were simply a few sweaty men in a basement. | |
42:11 | So it was nothing. —But still, some Norwegian journalists after the trial | |
42:17 | said that we now have to start digging again. | |
42:23 | In my own case, I would claim to be one of the most thoroughly checked Norwegians currently alive. | |
42:30 | People have found nothing on me in ten years. | |
42:36 | [The supposed terrorist network] Knights Templar does not exist and never did. | |
42:39 | That would be my claim. —One must then ask why Breivik | |
42:43 | has said that he is a leader of this terrorist network. | |
42:47 | If you read his so-called manifesto… | |
42:50 | Have you read all of it? —No. | |
42:54 | It is referred to as a manifesto, but Breivik himself calls it a compendium. | |
42:57 | If you read it, you will see that it actually consists of two different and highly distinct texts. | |
43:01 | It is divided into two parts, approximately in the middle. | |
43:04 | The first half is psychologically normal, for the most part. | |
43:07 | That is because Breivik did not write this. | |
43:10 | The second half of the text was written by Anders Behring Breivik himself, to a large extent. | |
43:15 | I am quite sure of that, and he also said this himself during the trial. | |
43:18 | This part [of the text] is completely crazy, plain and simple. | |
43:24 | He also has elaborate fantasies about murder, which are very real. | |
43:29 | Ideology is not very… | |
43:32 | It is more about psychology than about politics, really. | |
43:35 | Yes. I noticed that many of the texts he added | |
43:41 | were written in 2009, at the latest. | |
43:45 | The final texts, including his bomb diary, were written in 2010 and 2011, before the attacks. | |
43:53 | I personally believe that I can see in the text that his mental state continuously deteriorated. | |
43:57 | He [Breivik] got worse and worse, the later into the text you get. | |
44:03 | His symptoms correspond to paranoid schizophrenia. | |
44:08 | The initial [court-appointed] forensic psychiatrists [in 2011] | |
44:11 | concluded that Breivik suffers from paranoid schizophrenia. | |
44:14 | This corresponds to that what I can see [in the text], | |
44:17 | even though I have admittedly not talked to him directly. | |
44:20 | Another issue, which I mention in the second edition | |
44:24 | of my book Vitne til vanvidd [Witness to Madness], | |
44:27 | which was completed in the fall of 2019 and published in 2020, | |
44:31 | is that I have been able to look at some letters which Breivik has sent from jail. | |
44:37 | He has sent several letters from his prison cell | |
44:41 | to various [Norwegian] media, international media, the Royal Palace, the Chinese embassy etc. | |
44:46 | I have seen one letter [from ABB] written in English, and several written in Norwegian. | |
44:52 | These texts are extremely abnormal, psychologically speaking. | |
44:58 | I would personally label them as insane. | |
45:01 | Here, we are not talking about the manifesto from 2011. | |
45:04 | We are dealing with texts which [Breivik] wrote in 2013, 2014, 2015, etc. | |
45:09 | I have wondered several times why Norwegian media | |
45:12 | say so little about these letters, which they do have. | |
45:15 | I did not personally receive these letters, but I have access to a source which has some of them. | |
45:20 | I suspect this is because he comes across as so obviously insane | |
45:24 | in these letters that it is somewhat embarrassing. | |
45:28 | Paranoid schizophrenia is a serious mental illness. | |
45:33 | Some people are cured of it. Not everybody suffers from it for the rest of their life. | |
45:38 | However, Anders Behring Breivik, or Fjotolf as he calls himself now, | |
45:41 | is in solitary confinement in prison. | |
45:44 | If he does indeed suffer from paranoid schizophrenia, this will not simply disappear | |
45:48 | in an unfavorable environment, and without receiving any known treatment. | |
45:52 | In my view, the letters which Breivik has sent from prison | |
45:55 | indicate a man who still suffers from paranoid schizophrenia, in his prison cell. | |
45:59 | This is because the Norwegian justice system will not recognize his insanity. | |
46:03 | I cannot prove this, of course. However, the psychologically abnormal texts he sends | |
46:08 | from prison correspond to such a conclusion. | |
46:17 | Obviously, nobody is claiming that he is innocent. Nor do I. | |
46:21 | He was at Utøya and was arrested there. He is a mass murderer. | |
46:26 | However, if he really is insane, | |
46:29 | then this could change your view of the trial and what happened there. | |
46:35 | Did Norway truly handle Anders Behring Breivik? | |
46:38 | If the sanity verdict [from Oslo District Court in August 2012] is incorrect, | |
46:42 | then we have an insane person in jail, | |
46:45 | because the Norwegian society and justice system | |
46:48 | refuse to recognize his insanity. | |
46:51 | At the same time, he is being used politically against critics of Islam and immigration. | |
46:56 | This is less perfect than what [the author] Åsne Seierstad and others like to claim. |
For a complete archive of Fjordman’s writings, see the multi-index listing in the Fjordman Files.
Thank you for posting, Ned.
Interesting video. Again, thanks for posting foreign-language (European) content. Much of the fast-read headline content of today’s online “news” is meant to provoke an immediate response; not so much agreement versus disagreement, but righteous cheering versus inflammed anger. The benefit of these videos is to give a little time to think and consider, without feeling provoked and maniupulated.
A self-fulfilling travesty.