Many thanks to par0 for translating this hard-hitting editorial from the Italian daily Il Giornale:
Let’s expel Islam from our lands.
Islam and its God are incompatible with our civilization, have the blood of our children on their hands and are not satiated. This is the problem. The rest is just chit-chat.
Other attacks, more deaths. Now not even surprise attacks, arriving out of the blue, but they respond blow for blow, as in a war because Islam has declared war on the West. Enough with the lies of “mavericks” talking about moderate Islam, about possible dialogue. A few hours after the arrest of the beast Salah in Brussels, a member of the terrorist commandos who saw action in Paris four months ago, Islamic volunteers blew themselves up yesterday at the airport and in the metro of the Belgian capital; they were already armed and on alert. They filled their bombs with nails to cause more harm. They do not stop; they will not stop. They are not desperate; they are the bourgeoisie of Islam that some have called “integrated”, whom we are supposed to trust.
Islam and its god are incompatible with our civilization, have the blood of our children on their hands, and are not satiated. This is the problem. The rest is just chit-chat.
They abuse the misunderstood principle of Western tolerance in order to undermine Europe where their ancestors failed in 1571 at the Battle of Lepanto, the last barrier to the Muslim fleets planning the annihilation of Christianity. Yesterday’s dead, like those of past years and previous months are victims not only of ISIS but of tolerance. In the name of welcoming egalitarianism and do-gooding, no one protected them, today as in past decades, when Belgium, the first country in Europe, opened its doors to immigration without rules and limits. We will meet the same end if we do not say, hopefully still on time, Enough is enough! Enough with Boldrini [Laura Boldrini, President of the Chamber of Deputies], enough with the recipes of the Left, enough of priests and bishops who betray the Gospel, mayors, principals and teachers who deny the problem and trample on the Constitution which was drawn to defend us, with judges who legalized lawlessness. Enough with the welcome of “absolute value” of politicians — unfortunately, not just the Left — that falter. We are saving, nourishing and nurturing our enemies. Although they may be “moderate” and not handle bombs, they will be the breeding ground, providing protection and complicity to those who man the bombers’ network. They have to stay put, they have to return to their own homes. This is not racism, it is self-defense.
How about we bomb Raqqa, leveling it, raze all mosques in the West, and deport all Muslims.
I’m not kidding.
Muslims must be placed in an inferior legal status, just as they wish for us. A “jizya” tax, something they have adored over the centuries, must be levied on them and all public support terminated.
Every 100 families must be responsible for each family member. Political activity, and offenses against property and persons, Muslims or non-Muslims, must lead to deportation of the Hundred. Trains from all over Europe must run as frequently as necessary to deliver Muslims being repatriated to Turkey.
Muslim families who have one female who has been mutilated must be instantly deported and the male head of family imprisoned for 15 years. Muslims must abjure in 90 days or be deported. Imams, Koranic scholars, and any Muslims who have been politically active must be immediately isolated and deported. Period. Mosques must be torn down. Possession of a Koran must be made a felony.
Muslims who abjure might rise to a slightly higher status but be subject to instant removal upon evidence of false swearing.
Anything less than this is just prolonging the agony.
The great Western flirtation with sappiness that would, to steal a deliciuos witticism, make even Rod McKuen throw up, must cease forthwith. “Progress” and liberalism turned into a nightmare characterized by a weak, mendacious state bizarrely unmoored from the nation it enslaves and complicit with third-world barbarism, obscurantism, and chaos.
… of Muslims or non-Muslims, must ….
Totally agree. It’s the ONLY solution. I’m not kidding either.
Tp: Col Bunny, Fred & Harriet:
Good points. I am reposting an answer, with only minor modification, because it fits your points. I am afraid that war, all out total war, is unavoidable. “90 day periods”, “Re-Education Camps” etc. wont work. Those peoples are experts at lying and deception, taqyia, kitman and so on and so forth. Their numbers will have to grow a bit more so that they become even more audacious, and then the people of the western world (include Russia)/Roman world/Christendom (define all that as you wish) will have enough and blow. The result of that, or rather, of those civil wars will be total war.
To commence, it isn’t just Islam/Muslims as such, it’s Saudi Arabia plus all OPEC gulf states. Their support for terrorist groups occurs to whatever group the individual supporter/financier fancies. The same holds true for the respective governments, and government organizations. There are two reasons for that, firstly, it doesn’t matter which group wins, it’s always the right one. Secondly, there is no coherent structure provided to be attacked, should the west actually have that idea. Further, it fulfills the Quranic requirement to ‘fight with goods or persons’. It is also congruent with the nature of participants who can be described as, shall we say, duplicitous.
The action they fear is bombing, massive bombing to be precise, and confiscation of assets. These are the minimum actions required. Bombing refers firstly to the palaces, they give a damn about their peoples.
Problem: The number of jihadis will increase dramatically, but that wont last. You can’t fight without money. A Venetian General on the question what it takes to win: “First you need money, followed by more and even more money. Then victory is nearly assured.” (Prof. Paul Kennedy: Rise and fall of great powers).
Further, the will of the Muslims must be broken, how? Quran emphasizes terror, and harsh, humiliating treatment of non-Muslims. Ergo, we must do as instructed by the Quran, bomb the civilians, that means damn the conventions, and afterwards be harsh to them. The latter is no problem from today’s point of view: Bring in Christians, Assyrians, Lebanese, Egyptian Copt’s etc. They are also trustworthy and reliable allies – they don’t like Muslims. The Muslim populations will be placed into their own territories, call these ‘caliphates’ or whatever you like. Essentially, reserved territories, after a few years, bring in the missionaries. Converts will have to be watched – inquisition? Yes, sort of, limited though. Unfortunately, there is no other way.
Will the public, or you, stand for a bombing campaign, plus troops, as required? Yes. Once Europe is up in flames and the U.S. to an extent as well, which means hatred and fear in the general EU & US population. For Europe that means an end to the EU as we know it, it will either reform AND transform, or be superseded.
The key issue here is Germany and the German Army, which is preparing for civil war with the Muslims for several years. If you want to know more, let me know.
And all that was only a very short, highly condensed reply…
The old argument again trotted out since this latest attack, that the airforce bombs of Western nations on muslim civilians around the world, is the root cause of terror attacks, is looking decidedly lame. Two of the identified bombers were born in Belgium and enjoyed the fruits of a first world lifestyle. They themselves chose the “Dark Side”, they chose to embrace the hate filled ideology of their faith and be instruments of violence. In doing so they simply joined the war against the “crusader” states of old Europe that has been going on for a millennia. Here lies the problem, other muslims also living in the West, may currently disapprove of the actions of these two brothers. But there is no guarantee that they or their brothers or children might one day take up the sword.
When the choice is between Country and Islam, Muslims always choose Islam. They have a duty to do so. The time for the choosing of sides is upon us.
Thank you! As an American, I am hoping more and more people wake up to the fact that Islam MUST be eradicated completely. Ban Qur’ans! Ban Sharia! Ban the Hadith!
They bla bla bla talk. If they chase Islam, with what will they spice up the European internationalism? Will they let the idea of Richard Nikolaus von Coudenhove Kalergi go the way of Marxism? That idea is too beautiful to let go, even if it costs the extermination of Europe.
The last sentence is a potent rhetorical parry: “This is not racism, it is self-defense.” Succinct, incisive; to the point and unapologetic. And true. This is definitely a line I’ll be repeating. Use it; spread it; popularize it.
It’s a perfect slogan for the Patriotic Spring.
Slam them with the following: Whoever rushes to the defense of the adherents of a fascist ideology, declares himself a fascist. I use that a lot. It tends to shut them up good.
Totally agree. Our politicians in the West have failed their individual populations utterly. They constantly talk of war but continually appease and make excuses for the enemy within.
Can you imagine if this current crop of political parasitic pygmies had been around in the second world war? Hitler must be looking up from hell thinking, “if only, I could have just sent all my young, fighting fit men, in their millions, with false identities, throughout Europe unopposed, but those
pesky Ruskies would still have been a problem!”
Japan could have adopted similar tactics in Hawaii and Asia too.
How specifically might we begin such an expulsion? As civilised people, we are obliged to begin with civilised measures.
An easy start would be would be to halt in migration until, as Mr. Trump has suggested, until we know what we are doing.
We may call it a temporary measure but there is no reason for it to be temporary at all. The most recent immigrants in my own family were obliged to prove who they were and where they came from. There is no reason to suspend that standard.
Most churches and synogogues are built and paid for over a long period of time by their own congregations. Mosques apparantly get a lot of magic helicopter money. Atheists get nothing.
If one wanted an atheist club, if there is such a thing, they would have to pay for it, same as a Baptist. I see no reason for mosques to get such preferential treatment.
I have sometimes suspected that christian ministers steer away from some old religious ideas for fear of jeopardizing their 501c non political tax status. This may be a partial response to our culture having portrayed many political issues as moral ones and vice versa. Surely this can be applied to many of the imams who profess to believe many of the quotes to be found in the koran, haditha and sura. Check jihad watch for numerous examples. Many of those examples are clearly in violation of civil law.
Free speech issues. Ok. Review that part about 501c tax status. Preach anything that you please if you pay full taxes on the property. I am sure we can make those taxes quite high.
Ah yes but there is the problem of deviousness and taqqiya. This alone may inspire all manner of laws to make their lives difficult.
And there is the problem of employers looking for exploitable slave labour. Slavery did not work out too well the last time it was tried, why do it again? There are laws already on the books that we could start enforcing.
These ideas may seem unsatisfyingly legalistic and boring but they are a civilised way to begin. We will never get anywhere if we do not begin.
No beginning will be made with such a one as B. Obama in office. He is the fellow who sued Arizona for proposing to enforce existing federal law.
Forgive me for being political but our only hopes for a more sane direction appear to me to be Cruz and Trump. I happen to favour Cruz but if Trump gets the nomination, as appears likely, I will certainly support him. Now for the tricky part.
Every violent protest to D. Trump now is an effort to keep the wrong people in office a few more years. If they can knock down Trump, they will do the same to Cruz. They are targeting only Trump now because he is leading.
They do NOT want us to begin or to get anywhere. They will work toward Bradford or Brussels no matter what they may say or even think that they are doing.
We need to mind our tempers insofar as possible and act civil.
They write, we sleep happy, the Coudenhove Kalergi plan proceeds apace. Even Mutti Multikulti, Merkel says that all the invaders will return home. That’s why she wants another 20 million to come here, so that she can then send them home.
This piece says it all. Every Western Government is in breach of its social contract to protect its citizens by importing those whose ideology commands them to do us harm. For this reason, they have no moral right to remain in office.
There is a precedent.
Ferdinand and Isabella expelled Islam from their land of Spain.
Of course we all agree with you Baron. However, in order to carry out this mission inside the US one of several steps would be required:
1. A constitutional amendment specifically outlawing “Islam”
2. The citizenry would take matters into their own hands
3. A mass deportation of recent (20 years) Islamic immigrants
Only #2 is possible in pockets of the US and will have very limited effect.
Just in case you had any doubts:
The Guardian: Bible Is the Cause of Christian ‘Homophobia’
Is this news to anyone? It’s in Leviticus, Chapter Two (I think)- same chapter that endorses keeping slaves, so long as they’re from a neighbouring country and not one’s own. Question is, can a conscientious Christian, or Jew, feel obliged to follow one instruction, but not the other?
Mark, Christians are not obliged to follow Leviticus. That’s from the Old Covenant. Jesus Christ established the New Covenant between man and God. Christians do not observe the rules described in Leviticus, Numbers, etc.
Christians remain very keen on the Ten Commandments.
Yes, we do. But we are not required to observe the dietary laws and so on as laid out in Leviticus.
Hope you’re doing fine.
I just stumbled upon this website a few hours ago, and I really am shocked and disappointed. Really, tbh I used to think that Christians might be tolerant and less biased, especially the one’s living in the west, as they have an access to a better living and education standard , but no, I was wrong ! This proves that anybody , hailing from any religion, cast, colour or creed can have a mental blockage.
Anyways, despite all this I cannot blame your religion or your ethnicity, as it would be simply irrational and unfair. I would suggest you to either get full knowledge,since half knowledge is always dangerous or simply divert your energies into something much more productive, since we have alot of other problems to solve as well.
As far is Islam is considered, If it was so dangerous, bias or impractical , it would not have been the fastest spreading religion. There are Muslims all over the world in almost all kinds of ethnicity , since Islam does not discriminate in caste or class, colour or race.(muslims might, but Islam doesn’t)
“There is no compulsion on religion” This is a verse from the Quran . And as far as Jihad is concerned, many people think it means fighting non-muslims or something like that, due to your lack of knowledge. It basically means for striving, applying oneself, struggling, persevering oneslf in the name of our God. Receiving education is a small example. To physically fight is only allowed if you’re being attacked (defense). Also, it’s reference to context ! It’s very easy to copy paste a few versus, without having full background knowledge of it ! Also, the Quran is in Arabic , which is an extremely rich language, so in order to interpret it correctly one needs to have a good command over it, which the writer of this blog obviously doesn’t !
You can also search up people like Kristine Baker and Yusuf Estese, who were Christians before BTW. Therefore all your criticism is fruitless.
Also, people living in glass houses should not throw stones at others. If you consider , taking a short sneak peak into your peaceful religion, where Prophet Essa (PBUH) or Jesus Christ for that matter, wasn’t even spared by his own people! Ohkay, I know its not your fault, but can you ignore people like Hitler, who brutally and blatantly murdered the Jews ? I mean, this is the height of inhumanity ! So whose to be blamed just him or all the Germans or the whole religion ..Christianity!? Vlad the impaler ? Ever heard of him ?World War I&II ?Was it done or initiated by the muslims ? Also, the treatment African slaves got by the Europeans & Americans)..Oops sorry I mean by Christians going by your logic(even though mostly had embraced Christianity) ! It’s just like a pot calling a kettle black ! So please try to improve your own selves instead of pin pointing others .
Just because of a handful of lunatics , you cannot judge a whole community ! People often forget that muslims are actually the ones who are suffering the most! I mean, if you hate muslims so much simply ignore them (as long as they’re not hurting you or breaking the law). But no ! I have usually noticed “Christians” bullying people from other religions, whether they’re Sikhs, Jews, Buddhists or Muslims. So is this your level of tolerance ?
Now, coming to the point , Muslims are not against west ! Ironically, muslims in the east sometimes appreciate some western norms or their approach, such as your education system. But yes, they are against indecency and vulgarity ! And I fail to understand, that if a girl is wearing fully covered clothes , you people have an issue , but if she’s showing her thighs or her cleavage , then that’s fine ? I mean yes face cover or veil might seem weird , but whats the problem with full sleeves or a scarf ? Even your nuns wear it ! Isn’t this prejudice ? Even if you’re secular , that’s still not justified !
If you’re a true practicing Christian, then you shouldn’t have this much of a problem with muslims as Jews,Christians and Muslims are the followers of Prophet Abraham (PBUH) after all. You know once a Christian said to me, that why are muslims so hyper , I mean If someone makes a cartoon or ridicules your religion , do the same with theirs, simple ! I said because we cannot hit below the belt…Despite all this, I’m still willing to give you some benefit of doubt because of your ignorance .I can understand your worry, about your people and this world but instead of criticizing Muslims , please try to help your own community first ! I mean, have you seen where your generation is heading ?! Your family system and your society, in the name of freedom and modernism is crumbling down to pieces ! There is a difference between being modern and being vulgar. Even your songs these days have crossed the limits of decency !
You know I was watching Titanic a few days back, when my maid came and said to me, ” Wow ! Their was a time in the west when people actually wore clothes and had grace !” LOL
So please save your own generation first, from the luring traps set by Satan and not to mention the rise of the Anti-Christ. You do believe in resurrection, Heaven and hell etc? We are all accountable for our deeds and our conduct in this world ! So, if someone has committed a crime or sin that person would pay for it, irrespective of religion or belief.
Again, I’m not trying to justify any wrongdoings done by muslims or anything ! what is wrong will always be wrong, no matter how much you try to sugarcoat it…but do remember that your ancestors have equally wreaked havoc , so you don’t have a clean slate either. Actually no one does ! Only God have the right to judge us .
Therefore I would recommend you to focus on improving your own self and your near dear ones, as charity begins at home. Do you really think God or Jesus Christ would appreciate what you’re doing ?Ask this question to your own self, as you’re not accountable to me or anyone else. Please stop spreading hatred and intolerance and turn your direction towards positivity.
Let’s just take two of your points, R: 1)The arabic word for “slave” also means “nigger”, which tells us something about racism in Islam. Many of the black people transported to the Americas were purchased from Muslim Arab slave traders; 2) The Mufti of Jerusalem, who had instigated a pogrom there in 1929, urged Hitler to exterminate Europe’s Jews rather than expel them.
Oh- if one needs to read arabic to understand the Qu’ran, then most citizens of the two most populous Muslim-majority nations, Indonesia and Pakistan, must be unable to comprehend it.
About 80% of the world’s Muslims do not understand Arabic, even those who have memorized the Koran. The language most commonly used by Muslims to teach other Muslims about their faith is English.
English-language books about Islamic law are easy to find and buy. The important thing is this: Read books that are (1) written by Muslims who (2) are qualified to write authoritatively about Islamic law, and (3) such books must be intended for a Muslim audience. That’s the way to bypass all the sacred lying and misdirection. Those books, particularly high school textbooks, are generally easy to read and understand, and are quite clear about what Islam and sharia mean.
Hilarious! Though my grandma would’ve said you [insult redacted].
Wow, where exactly do we begin with this? Islam was the fastest growing religion not because of any attractiveness, but because people were forced into accepting it, and they were killed if they tried to leave it. No compulsion in religion here? What would you call all the additional taxation and aggression toward Christians in the M.E.? Is that not compulsion? You complain about western vulgarity, but have nothing to say about the absolute vulgarity of violence demonstrated in islam. Is chopping off someone’s head or throwing gays off of buildings not more vulgar than a naked body, or some off color lyrics? How about the 1500 years of muslim aggression toward the west? Most of the middle east, and Turkey was part of the Byzantium empire (ie not Muslim!). How about giving us all our land back? All we are doing is acting in self defense, as was clearly stated in the articles above. Do you seriously expect us to just sit back and be butchered, raped, and blown up without resisting? That’s rather naïve of you. You seem like a decent enough sort. My suggestion is to leave the west and go back to your Islamic hellhole of choice before it is too late. We are only going to tolerate this so long. As Hemmingway noted, societies collapse slowly, then all at once. This site is a totally predictable response to all the aggression we are facing. What did you think was going to happen when act after act of terrorism, rapes, and assaults are occurring against the very people who just wanted to engage in true Christian charity? Do they have the right to be offended? Do you really think anyone trusts you anymore? Do you think anyone believes anything you say anymore? Christianity would not have survived if it was totally passive as you describe it. We will act in the name of self preservation, and it will be very, very, violent when the status quo falls apart. Good luck to you, as you will soon be needing it. I sincerely hope you and all your family take my advice about leaving. Lot’s of questions to answer here troll, start typing.
Being in denial about the real nature of Islamic doctrine or its effects isn’t going to solve anything.
I could go on for quite some time but lets just look at the closing statement “Please stop spreading hatred and intolerance and turn your direction towards positivity”.
Hatred and intolerance – ever read the Koran? Turn towards positivity – all it takes for evil to prevail is that good men do nothing. Tolerating the intolerant is not tolerance but suicide.
R, mohammed is the perfect man muslims must emulate. All this mayhem, violence and murder stems from his perfect words and deeds, with some help from the greatest of all deceivers.
Go back to your muslim brothers and tell them the toothpaste is out of the tube, the Kafirs know the doctrine, better than many of your cult believers.
You are right.
And Fred at 2:02 am was as well.
And Baron Bodissey said it on 16 Jan.
Expel “Islam” — but keep Muslims?
When will the Counter-Jihad stop futzing around for crying out loud…
Guys please relax !
Why can’t you people have a conversation like sane people, I mean If you have a problem or something . don’t need to get this hyper .
Ohkay, so someone in the comment section wrote that a majority of muslims don’t know even Arabic. Yes , this is unfortunately true, and the root cause of many issues , since people instead of understanding what it actually means , rely completely on their priests. It’s not just muslims, many other religious people rely on their priests too.
As far is Sharia is concerned , all religions have prescribed some laws and sanctions , such as Divorce is a sin according to Christianity. I cannot explain you the laws of Sharia in greater detail, since I myself lack a bit in knowledge here, so I’ll stop.
Also, there is a comment saying that chopping of someone’s head or throwing gays off the building is more vulgar that showing a naked body or some colour lyrics ?
Firstly, all this doesn’t make sense ! You are comparing to completely different aspects here…
chopping off somebody’s head is obviously a great sin. No one has the right to do that ! And If you’re referring to Saudia Arabia’s law, they only chop their head if the convict is the a murderer, which happens in almost all the countries in the world, where a murderer is executed. FYI, Saudia Arabia does not represent Islam.
Homosexuality , is a great sin , in every religion BTW, however, throwing them off some bridge is no way to handle this. I believe that everyone has the right to live the way they like (as long as it’s not hurting or affecting anyone or breaking the law) and If they’re wrong , it’s their personal matter between them and their God.
But stripping down naked , proudly having illegitimate children or singing indecent songs cannot be justified . Like I said before, wrong will always be wrong!
Nevertheless, If anyone is trying to harm you irrespective of their belief , you have every right to stop them and protect yourselves ! However , bullying someone or verbally bashing him will make things worse. I fail to understand the level of tolerance of the “Christians” here ! When your ancestors portrayed intolerance and violence in the past, nobody held you accountable for that !Hitler ? Ku Klux Klan ? …Oooh somebody also wrote here that Hilter was provoked by some mufti of Jerusalem to this and all..let me tell you Hilter was not a kid , who would obediently obey his mother or so ! So please don’t try to cover him up.
Also, you point about forceful conversion. Can you please specify exactly who was forcefully converted, that too in the 21st century ? Also, let me remind you that Christians don’t have a clean slate either ! They were actually the one’s who started all this ! If you calm down and think over this rationally , then you might understand ! Islam started from the Arabian Peninsula and started to spread in the the middle east, upper part of Africa and southeren part of Asia . Ok ! so where is Europe or USA here ? Nowhere ! When you people started to intervene in African and Asian countries ,(specifically the British) that’s when all this started. Your ancestors conveniently attacked , plundered and wrecked other countries, without any consequence. Did you know christian missionaries where sent from Europe to the sub-continent , in order to “spread” Christianity in the region. Also, not to mention Christopher Columbus ! As a child I always looked up to him like an adventurous explorer , but when I started to study and in greater detail I was shocked ! My point is that no one has a clean slate.
And forceful conversion , from any angle is wrong and unethical ! Whether a Muslim does it or somebody else , I am totally against it ! However, I’ve met many muslim converts and the majority were christians or atheists , and they all told me that they converted on their own will…pls check up Yusuf Estes, Abdur Raheem Green and Kristine Baker etc.
And yess ! Another silly comment was that “We kaffirs know…” something ! BTW kaffir means a non-believer, so Christians or Jews do not fall under this category ! I have always been taught that Christian and Jews are like are cousins , as they are people of the book too…God knows what you people have been taught !
If your issue with Islam is violence or intolerance , my apologies! But you cannot paint everybody with the same broad brush ! You have the right to protect yourselves , but being rude and intolerant would make matters worst !
Nope, not buying it. Christianity is absolutely and totally violent when acting in self defense. Turn the other cheek applies to those who insult you, not to those who murder you. “Thou shall not kill” refers to murder without justification, not self defense. There is no such thing as abrogation in Christianity. The New Testament is meant to confirm the Old Testament, not replace it. What a lot of modern Christianity is preaching today largely reflects the passivity of it’s minister’s neo liberal thinking, and not what is actually taught in the bible. What immediately comes to mind is that scene from the movie Pulp Fiction. You know, the one where Samuel L. Jackson quotes from scripture. Here is the real version of Ezekiel 25:17 (not the fake Quinton Tarantino version)
“I will carry out great vengeance on them and punish them in my wrath. Then they will know that I am the LORD, when I take vengeance on them.”
Sound nonviolent to you?
How about this?
“Of David. Blessed be the Lord, my rock, who trains my hands for war, and my fingers for battle”
“For he is God’s servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword in vain. For he is the servant of God, an avenger who carries out God’s wrath on the wrongdoer.”
“And for your lifeblood I will require a reckoning: from every beast I will require it and from man. From his fellow man I will require a reckoning for the life of man. “Whoever sheds the blood of man, by man shall his blood be shed, for God made man in his own image.”
Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God. Therefore whoever resists the authorities resists what God has appointed, and those who resist will incur judgment. For rulers are not a terror to good conduct, but to bad. Would you have no fear of the one who is in authority? Then do what is good, and you will receive his approval, for he is God’s servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword in vain. For he is the servant of God, an avenger who carries out God’s wrath on the wrongdoer. Therefore one must be in subjection, not only to avoid God’s wrath but also for the sake of conscience. …”
“Beat your plowshares into swords, and your pruning hooks into spears; let the weak say, “I am a warrior.”
“Who rises up for me against the wicked? Who stands up for me against evildoers?
“So in the lowest parts of the space behind the wall, in open places, I stationed the people by their clans, with their swords, their spears, and their bows. And I looked and arose and said to the nobles and to the officials and to the rest of the people, “Do not be afraid of them. Remember the Lord, who is great and awesome, and fight for your brothers, your sons, your daughters, your wives, and your homes.”
“And he said to them, “When I sent you out with no moneybag or knapsack or sandals, did you lack anything?” They said, “Nothing.” He said to them, “But now let the one who has a moneybag take it, and likewise a knapsack. And let the one who has no sword sell his cloak and buy one. For I tell you that this Scripture must be fulfilled in me: ‘And he was numbered with the transgressors.’ For what is written about me has its fulfillment.” And they said, “Look, Lord, here are two swords.” And he said to them, “It is enough.” And he came out and went, as was his custom, to the Mount of Olives, and the disciples followed him.”
The bible has severe punishment for those that engage in wanton murder and does not condemn those that seek vengeance, when their cause is just. Jesus took a whip to the money changers. How about that for non violent?
Here’s one I really like for this website:
Ezekiel 33 “… 6 ‘But if the watchman sees the sword coming and does not blow the trumpet, and the people are not warned, and a sword comes and takes a person from them, he is taken away in his iniquity; but his blood I will require from the watchman’s hand.’
You see, we have to act in order to be the shepherd for god’s people. We have no other choice as Christians.
Hello Mr Anonymous,
I’m grateful to you for being decent, instead of blindly bashing my comment.
However, these Biblical versus you have posted, is sort of irrelevant and insufficient, as it’s reference to context. You and I (or anyone else) cannot interpret and understand this in depth without reading the whole paragraph, along with it’s background details, consisiting of how, when and for whom.
This is the reason why often many people tend get a wrong concept.
Anyways, I wish you all the best in seeking knowledge and wisdom.
Any attempts to “outlaw” or to “expel” Islam would be either unproductive or counterproductive. The reason why Islam managed to take such a hold in the West (first of all, in Europe) is deChristianisation.
A typical modern European has no higher ambition than living a long and pleasant life on earth. Even if he believes in afterlife, he sees it as something vague and unrelated to his daily business. Of course, of course, he may have his ideals – like progress, democracy, social justice, environmentalism… But these are not ideals people would die for – not your typical Europeans. For if it is a nice and comfortable life that you value most of all, there is no meaning in dying for anything whatsoever.
Besides, modern Europeans are too used to comfort and security. They do not seem capable of any serious sacrifice, of any heroic struggle.
So, when they are confronted with fanatics who firmly believe in their religious doctrine (or in some extreme secular ideology, like Maoism) and are ready to sacrifice their pleasures, comforts, health and even their own (and other people’s) lives to make it triumph, Europeans make rather a poor show of resistance.
Besides, quite a few post-Christian Europeans feel a spiritual void and some of them are quite happy to fill it with Islam. Haven’t you heard of Islamic converts from Europe who fight in Syria and other such places?
The only way for Europe to defeat Islamists is to rediscover Christianity – not as a museum piece, a ‘part of cultural heritage’, but as a living faith in the living God for Whom they would be ready to fight, suffer and die. Such faith would give them life force and lift them above the soul-destroying consumerism, it will give them a purpose in life, at the very least.
Otherwise, even if – and that’s a huge ‘if’ – they manage to chase Islam, something else would take its place and this something else may turn out to be even worse. Just remember the Temple Solaire or People’s Temple (Jonestown) or Aum Shin Ri Kyo or various satanic cults that raise their ugly heads here and there.
The human being is not an animal who needs only fodder and sex. The human being needs a spiritual dimension. The type of spirituality on which the whole edifice of Western civilisation was built is Christianity. Without it, this civilisation will rot and decompose. The rot has already set in.
Though your comment is not much in favour of my belief and religion, but I appreciate you for thinking rationally , instead of splattering all the dirt on Muslims.
God Bless .
I think that “splattering all the dirt on Muslims” is not fair, because among 1.6 billion Muslims, there can be found very different people. Many of them have a very vague idea of what the sacred texts of Islam teach and not much willingness to observe Sharia law. Of course, most of them have never engaged or planned to engage in terrorism.
Moreover, there are many Muslims in the world who respect Christianity and even come to pray in Christian churches. I have seen such people in Tashkent and Ashgabat with my own eyes. In Ashgabat I heard the story of a disabled girl from a Muslim family who was healed by the prayers of an Orthodox Christian priest and was baptized by her parents.
So, I know that peaceful and good-neighbourly coexistence between Muslims and Christians is not impossible.
There is another thing, I think may be worth mentioning. As Westerners have turned their backs on Christian faith, they have lost something intangible but essentially important. They have become colder and more distant. They are very humane and tolerant, but their humanity and tolerance borders on indifference. People in Muslim societies – with the exception of fanatics – have more spontaneous warmth. They also retained certain virtues that post-Christian Westerners have largely lost – respect of elders, for example. But their hatred is also more fervent and passionate.
Having said that, I have to tell you that I do consider Islam a false religion with a primitive and distorted view of God, Man and their relationship. Christians believe in the Incarnation of God, Who, by accepting human nature, became a Brother and a Friend of every true believer. Although Christians in history have repeatedly transgressed against the commandments of God and acted cruelly, in an unChristian spirit, the essence of Christianity is love. Love is the bond between God and Man, love must be also the basis of all proper human relationships. Therefore, for example, enforced conversion to Christianity is impossible. For if somebody formally accepts Christianity out of fear or desire for material gain, he is a false Christian. And those who made him convert are sinners.
Islam is a religion of submission. Not believing in the Incarnation, Muslims feel that they are separated from God by an endless distance. For them God is Master, and they are slaves. They think that God requires from Man not love but submission. Therefore, if somebody is brought to this submission by force or by deception, it is perfectly OK. Allah needs slaves, not friends or brothers.
For this reason, force trumps love in the Muslim world. For this reason, the weak are enslaved by the strong in Islam. For this reason, Islam has been imposed by force on the peoples of the Middle East, North Africa, Asia Minor and other regions. For this reason, Christians and other non-Muslims are sadistically slaughtered in Syria, Iraq, Pakistan and other Islamic countries. For this reason, a raped woman in a Muslim country may easily end up in prison “for adultery”.
Another thing which I do not like about Islam is sensuality. All these visions of paradise where the just indulge in sexual orgies with houris, in eating and drinking to their hearts’ content are so crude, so “fleshy”. It is a world away from the Christian hope for eternal spiritual bliss.
And in this life, Muslims are also very sensual. Of course, they demand that their women remain virgin until marriage and faithful as wives. But Muslim men allow themselves many pleasures of the flesh – four wives, concubines. And, of course, visits to brothels on the sly or sex with boys – as long as no one looks. Hashish and other drugs are also very popular in the Muslim world and were so even when they were almost unknown in Europe. Even hard drinking, though expressly prohibited, is not unknown among Muslims – it happens behind close doors, but it does happen.
To sum up, though I do value the good aspects of Muslim religion and way of life, I do find this religion and way of life, on the whole, far worse than authentic unadulterated Christian faith and the civilisation based upon it.
I regard Islamisation of Christian (0r post-Christian) nations as a horrible catastrophe.
On the other hand, I regard secularisation and deChristianisation of formerly Christian nations as an equally horrible catastrophe.
Baron, I think we may have reached Step 11, while skipping step 8 on the way!
And for the record, I lack a bit of knowledge on Catholicism, but I can tell you the Vatican City does not represent Christianity.