Geert Wilders’ 10th Anniversary: “De-Islamise The Netherlands”

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Yesterday was the tenth anniversary of the founding of the Party for Freedom (Partij voor de Vrijheid, PVV) by Geert Wilders in the Netherlands. Mr. Wilders was interviewed at length for the occasion by NOS, the Dutch public broadcaster.

Many thanks to H. Numan for the translation, and to Vlad Tepes for the subtitling:

Transcript:

0:01   Geert Wilders, on the day that the PVV celebrates its ten-year jubilee.
0:09   Would you have thought that, ten years ago? That we would be sitting together here?
0:13   No. I hoped for it. I saw opportunities for it.
0:18   But to be honest, there was a big chance it might not succeed.
0:23   I remember a colleague of yours, working for the Dutch World Service at the time.
0:28   When I left my old party, the VVD,
0:32   we walked out of the parliament together to the parking lot.
0:37   He said: Wilders, you are so stupid. You could have become minister or junior minister.
0:41   Now we won’t ever hear of you again.
0:46   I was hoping that he was wrong, of course.
0:51   Fortunately, he was wrong. It’s true that most schisms don’t succeed.
1:01   To sit here ten years later with at least virtually
1:05   the largest party in The Netherlands makes me feel a bit proud.
1:08   It is something; you founded your party for a reason. Is it a reason for celebrations?
1:13   The fact that many people recognize our message,
1:18   and think that in important issues: stopping Islamisation,
1:23   regaining sovereignty from Europe,
1:27   decent care for the elderly and health care. In the beginning mainly about Islam,
1:31   still very important issue. Maybe the most important.
1:36   You were a prophet in the desert, back then. They thought you were mad.
1:39   Definitely. However, many people see we are correct. That we didn’t shout empty slogans.
1:45   One of the reasons for their support and our success in the polls
1:50   is that people know that we don’t say this just now out of opportunism.
1:57   Not since the Islamic State began,
2:01   not since al-Nusra exists, beheadings take place. People know that I, when I left the VVD
2:08   and later on, with all my PVV colleagues, that we have said this for many years.
2:11   That we warned about this for many years. Did you know yourself this would be so important?
2:16   Yes. I’m no prophet, of course. I can’t read the future.
2:21   I didn’t know exactly what would happen.
2:24   But I did know it would work out that way. I even, in my VVD period, asked for a resolution —
2:29   Jozias van Aarsen was minister for foreign affairs —
2:32   in which I called for a policy to prevent
2:35   Islam developing in the way it does now.
2:40   I saw it happening in other countries on a lesser scale. In France, which back then had many more people and migrants
2:47   from countries such as Algeria from their colonial past, in cities such as Marseilles and Paris,
2:53   even back then it created enormous problems. I knew it would change Europe,
2:57   and that was the reason why I left the VVD
3:01   to found my own party on that principle.
3:04   Again: others should say one is right; that’s not polite.
3:09   It’s a bit arrogant, but I was right.
3:12   Do you notice people respond differently? Cassandra comes to mind.
3:17   The Greek prophetess who was never believed but was always right.
3:23   The prophetess of doom who was right.
3:27   Let’s separate that from our discussion, but it is to the point.
3:31   Do you notice people respond differently now?
3:35   People see the facts for themselves, where it leads them to, on TV.
3:40   I once made a movie, a short movie: Fitna.
3:47   I showed scenes, real scenes, without performing actors.
3:54   What Islam leads to. Some of your colleagues asked me if I’m going to make Fitna 2.
4:00   My answer is always: you see Fitna 2 daily on the NOS 8 o’clock news.
4:06   It became today’s reality.
4:10   You don’t have to make that movie. Really, you’re making it right now.
4:13   That’s really sad. What I warned about back then, what I warned about in Fitna,
4:17   all those terrible things committed in name of Islam, are happening right now.
4:24   We see it in the Middle East, the enormous flood of refugees,
4:28   the open borders, we see where it leads to with regard to our safety.
4:34   We’ve seen what happened last year in Paris. We’ve seen what happens with women in Germany.
4:40   People see it happening near them.
4:43   They think: Darn! The PVV was right all along!
4:46   Not all Muslims are rapists or terrorists.
4:50   But with migration from those countries we bring that culture into our own.
4:54   Which is not so keen on freedom and security.
4:59   Your analysis is: that’s caused by Islam. Islam is a pernicious ideology, as you call it.
5:06   That is an analysis not shared by everybody.
5:11   For most people say: no, those are extremists;
5:14   it isn’t Islam. You’re right when you say that,
5:18   at least, that many people think that. It’s not true.
5:21   In those ten years I wrote a book, published in America,
5:25   “Marked for Death: Islam’s War Against the West and Me”.
5:29   The war Islam declared on us.
5:35   The war we see broadcasted daily by your station into our living rooms.
5:38   By and large, Muslims aren’t the problem. Islam, in my opinion, is.
5:43   Islam has a violent character.
5:47   Do you read the Koran?
5:50   Do you read the sira? The life of Mohammed? The example for one and a half billion Muslims today.
5:55   Look at countries with a dominant Islamic culture,
6:02   or at least where it is very important You see a constant of unfreedom,
6:06   of women, gays, journalists getting into trouble,
6:12   a lack of democracy, outrageous violence, shariah law.
6:17   We’re importing that into Europe. I can’t imagine,
6:21   that’s my assignment for the next ten years: to change exactly that.
6:26   To repair The Netherlands To expel Islam from our daily life.
6:32   That must happen anyway, if we want to live in 10, 20 or 30 years as a free country.
6:37   That’s a bleak analysis, as you see it.
6:42   Not a cheerful world view. No, it isn’t. Despite all that happened during the last 10 years
6:49   From threats, trials, whatever,
6:55   I’m even more convinced than 10 years ago that I will do what I must do.
6:58   That it’s good the PVV exists,
7:01   whose influence we must make more prominent.
7:04   Hopefully in a cabinet. You can differ in opinion from the PVV and the Socialist Party and the VVD.
7:11   However, if Islam gains more dominance
7:15   in Western Europe, there won’t be any freedom.
7:19   Or elections. It’ll be the only issue along with shariah.
7:24   All who aren’t Muslim are the victims.
7:28   There isn’t any worse discriminatory movement than Islam.
7:34   More people realize this. Again, that is not generalizing about all Muslims.
7:37   That’s their ideology.
7:41   Which I have compared with fascism and communism, for that reason.
7:45   Ideologies which are totalitarian.
7:48   Which you cannot leave. Which places a punishment on that, often the death penalty. We shouldn’t import that.
7:54   And ensure that my and your children, grandchildren
7:58   remain free people, for that reason we need less Islam in our country.
8:01   That’s an all or nothing argument. It is all or nothing.
8:08   That is 10 years after founding the PVV. Wouldn’t you rather celebrate closing the PVV?
8:18   The moment our arguments are understood, The moment we have a guarantee on freedom,
8:24   a free country in the future The Netherlands and Europe are de-Islamised,
8:28   Our culture, of which we should be proud, something with Christianity, Judaism, humanism,
8:35   if we accept that as our leading values, if we were to be proud of that,
8:38   to say that aloud, people who say that aren’t called racists, or fascists,
8:42   just proud people being proud of their own culture.
8:45   Regarding that, we can learn from the Middle East,
8:48   for they are proud about their own culture. Perhaps then a PVV would be superfluous.
8:55   Then, in another 30 years, we can abolish the party.
8:59   Regrettably, that’s not possible right now.
9:03   You feel you are a voice crying in the wilderness? Of course. Sometimes.
9:09   Again, it’s not about me.
9:12   I see growing support for the PVV.
9:17   You’re very militant. With your worldview, I wonder: are you afraid?
9:23   Yes, of course I’m afraid. I’m afraid for the continuation of our free country.
9:29   On the one hand we have an ideology we just allow entrance to,
9:33   that doesn’t want the best for us. On the other hand,
9:37   we have a bureaucracy, an elite, also from Brussels
9:41   who want to boss us, who ensure we can’t make our own immigration policy,
9:46   who tell us what we should spend our money on,
9:49   on Greece, on bailouts.
9:52   We get to say less about our own country and our own borders.
9:57   Who don’t do what you find important. No. Not what I find important:
10:00   who don’t do what is right for The Netherlands. The Netherlands must be a sovereign state.
10:04   If something has been proved right the last couple of years it is whether you want the borders to be open or closed.
10:09   One has to be at least master of his own house.
10:14   That’s the parliamentary bell.
10:17   You want to be in charge of who you allow entry into your own house, don’t you?
10:20   You don’t ask for permission in Brussels. You yourself decide who gets into your house,
10:24   and who is not welcome, when he or she misbehaves. Everybody does that. All viewers do that.
10:30   The Netherlands can’t do that anymore.
10:33   Europe can’t do that anymore. It’s Brussels that decides, which Mr. Rutte and his friends
10:37   are bickering about. Without reaching any agreement.
10:42   Every minute we wait, every additional minute, more Islam is entering our country.
10:46   Every minute we loose a tiny bit of our sovereignty.
10:51   The existence of our country is in danger. We don’t just have an economic problem.
10:56   An economic problem, if I can finish my sentence,
11:00   is something temporary — you can lower taxation, control spending.
11:05   There are economic ways to solve an economic crisis. What we see now is not an economic problem,
11:11   It’s not a temporary problem, It’s an existential problem.
11:14   It’s the survival of our country. Our freedom at liberty.
11:18   That’s why I am so driven to do something about it.
11:21   At the same time, you are between forces so powerful,
11:29   that I ask myself: is it controllable?
11:32   You gave the analysis of external threats;
11:37   We see in our country forces which are difficult to control.
11:42   You share that feeling? You share that analysis?
11:45   Conflicts appear because a people feels it is not being heard.
11:53   Because local referendums on whether or not to have a refugee center are not allowed.
12:01   Because many cities in our country, in this example,
12:04   Just three days before making a decision, inform their population.
12:08   Because prime minister Rutte says for over a year: just 6 more weeks, and it’s over.
12:12   Frustration. People feel not being heard.
12:15   I’m convinced the Dutch have nothing against refugees.
12:18   I’m convinced the Dutch find real refugees should reach safety.
12:24   But in our country we can’t, for as far as they are real refugees, handle all that.
12:29   People say: enough is enough.
12:32   Nobody listens. Parliament doesn’t, many towns don’t
12:36   I’m not surprised. I understand it.
12:39   That people get really angry because of that. I get angry too.
12:42   You say they aren’t being heard. Your critics say you incite them.
12:48   How, for heaven’s sake, might I do that?
12:51   I called for resistance, I have this week alone, in front of your cameras,
12:58   always for nonviolence and democratic [action].
13:03   That’s the only way we can do that. A danger for democracy, said the … eh… labor leader.
13:11   Yeah, I don’t know who is the leader there, either, often enough.
13:16   You’re playing with fire, that’s the essence. You’re right about that; however, I don’t play with fire.
13:21   See, a labor party with how many? 9 or 10 seats in the polls?
13:26   They haven’t any resonance at all in the country.
13:29   Nobody, or hardly anyone, recognizes himself in that party. Green Left is twice as big in the polls.
13:34   If you aren’t capable then of learning from your own mistakes without blaming someone else,
13:42   that’s sad, but it says a lot more about that party rather than mine.
13:47   However, I don’t want to fuss over that party; I want to talk about The Netherlands.
13:50   Where do we go from here? This is an historic moment.
13:56   It’s a unique moment. If we now push through, to change things, to control things,
14:03   to again rule over our own country, to see to it that our borders are closed.
14:07   That we spend our money not on refugees or Greece but on our own country. On our businesses, small and large, on the retired.
14:13   I can’t understand why we don’t do that. Instead we give away our country,
14:18   our money. Nobody wants to govern with you.
14:21   We’ll have to see about that. The people back home decide that. And they can.
14:25   By making the PVV as big as possible.
14:28   It’ll get more and more difficult for the Bumas, Zijlstras and who knows more
14:32   in Dutch politics to ignore us. What do you want?
14:37   You have a very outspoken way of doing politics,
14:43   allow me to describe it that way, which alienates other parties.
14:48   What do you prefer? Remain in the opposition, knock on the gates,
14:53   and possibly that way, for you said that: that way we influence matters in the country
15:00   Or do you say no, we want to take the responsibility and compromise?
15:05   and bend to what others want? You know, my goal isn’t to jerk the curtains or to bend to other people.
15:11   My goal is to speak truths other parties don’t dare to speak
15:17   for fear of being called racists, receiving threats, appearing in court .
15:25   Or fear not being asked to govern next time.
15:28   We’ve got plenty of those parties in our country. There finally is a party, if I can brag that much, which
15:32   after 10 years, for 10 years has said that we have a problem which we have to deal with, and solve it.
15:41   We really should hand back the country, as Pim Fortuyn said, to our citizens.
15:45   We have to do a recovery operation.
15:48   We must regain the sovereignty of our country ,
15:51   spend our money on our own people. And last but not least: expel Islam.
15:55   De-Islamise The Netherlands. I’m not going to compromise on that.
15:59   Of course, if you want to govern, you have to compromise.
16:03   The PVV has to do that, just as any other.
16:06   We have, when we supported the cabinet, showed that we can do that,
16:09   and that we are willing to do that. But we won’t compromise on our focal points. Otherwise, we won’t govern.
16:17   We started this discussion with: when I left the VVD,
16:22   a journalist said, ‘We’ll never hear from you again;
16:25   you’ll never be a minister or a junior minister.’ Are we going to see that happen?
16:30   It doesn’t matter what I do. It matters that we repair the country.
16:38   My question is just that,
16:41   will Geert Wilders be the best prime minister we never had?
16:44   What they always say about Wiegels [retired politician].
16:47   I hope not. I hope, and would be highly honored, to become prime minister.
16:53   I hope not only the spend our money on our own people, expel Islam,
17:01   give the elderly a decent income, close our borders to fortune-seekers,
17:07   for, regrettably, they often are just that. I can’t prove it will happen.
17:11   I do say that the people at home, and not you as journalist, nor me as Geert Wilders,
17:16   the people at home have a say about it. That’s the beauty of democracy.
17:20   If we all vote for the PVV, if we grow really big,
17:24   it will become much more difficult to ignore us.
17:28   Otherwise we’ll need a coalition of maybe 7 or 8 parties.
17:31   Which is impossible. It’s unworkable.
17:34   So yes, it is possible that next year we will sit here again talking to the prime minister.
17:40   Can we … it is possible … for a party, a man, to become prime minister,
17:46   who isn’t willing to compromise?
17:52   If we want The Netherlands to exist in a couple of decades,
17:58   if we want to raise our children in a free country, we can’t afford anything else.
18:03   Thank you.
 

12 thoughts on “Geert Wilders’ 10th Anniversary: “De-Islamise The Netherlands””

  2. How could any rational, sentient person disagree with him? But rationality has long been gone from political discourse, in favor of a slave-like devotion to the moral exultation of self-appointed victims and their subjective, never ending demand for power.

  3. The problem per se is not Islam. Islamisation is a consequence of preexisting weaknesses and self hatreds in western societies. The only way we will ever be safe is through secession. The UK is a case in point. Despite 40 years of merciless abuse at the hands of the EU, huge numbers of so-called Britons will vote to continue our suffering. Even if we escape the EU, and God willing we shall, we will remain at the mercy of the cultural Marxists who control all of the mass media, all of the major parties, and all the multinationals. We must erect a cordon sanitaire between us and them. A physical and political barrier is the only way we will survive.

  5. A truly fascinating interview, intelligent questions answered succinctly and truthfully by a true Dutch patriot. God what I wouldn’t give to see Geert Wilders as PM of the Netherlands and putting mutti Merkel, her slavering acolytes Hollande, Cameron, Sutherland, Juncker and all her other cronies, metaphorically speaking, to the sword.

    Come on the good people of Holland – get this man into power ASAP, you are already drinking in the last chance saloon, he is your only hope!

    • I’ve changed my mind on him big time recently. I’ll admit to having been prejudiced against him. I’m guilty of being part of the man’s frustrations, because I never listened to him, as he was portrayed as a racist and extremist. Hopefully there is still time to fix the problem..

  6. It’s good to hear him at last treated with a degree of respect by a mainstream journalist. But I worry about him, about the stress he has been under for these 10 years, quite apart from his safety.

    For me, his courage and humanity shine through. He stands for all of us. He stands for liberty.

    • Well said. A Champion for the West. Fighting back against the West’s suicide religion of multiculturalism.
      Robert in Tennessee

  7. This exchange gives me hope that the Dutch people will wake up in time to take back their local control – that is where it must begin.

    The interview makes American politicians look so very mendacious…

    There is probably little I agree with re the policies of socialist parties in Europe. But on this ONE BIG ISSUE, the PVV would have my vote.

    Here in the US only Trump mentions the necessity for sovereignty. The rest of American pols are hollow cymbals. On this ONE BIG ISSUE, he would have my vote.

  8. Dymphna, socialism isn’t the same everywhere. Most Europeans see the US Democrat party not as a socialist party, but much more conservative than any EU conservative party. Likewise, what Europeans see as a conservative party would be seen by every American as a real communist party.

    Supposing the PVV would take over most of the US Rep party’s program, they would loose all their voters the very same day. And the other way around, of course.

    Like or hate it, socialism cannot easily be voted out of office in Europe. That’s a simple fact. At this moment the PVV will have a major job simply getting into office and not being chased out within weeks (as the LPF was). They have a real big job ahead trying to save the country from islam.

    Current ‘privatization’ schemes have been exceptionally badly handled. Yes, they have some work waiting for them. But first things first. Let’s hope they get elected soon.

  9. I listened to the interview, rather than reading the transcript. Wilders is a clear, coherent, passionate speaker, and his intellect and integrity shows through, even in translation.

    Sadly, as our populations are being diluted, there are fewer people who appreciate the truthfulness and integrity of an argument. Some of the people are simply not intelligent enough to comprehend an intelligent discussion. Some of them are so far into racial or cultural politics that they care about nothing else. And the far left, who I confess I still don’ understand, although I can predict them, simply hate the concept of a nation and individual freedom.

    It’s significant that Wilders, like Trump, is a soft welfare statist. People want to identify with a real entity, of which they are a part, rather than an abstract economic entity based on the theory of individual competition. The theory of free enterprise breaks down when people vote more by their racial identity than by their individual economic interest. So, strictly speaking, a state has got to interject itself into the personal lives of the people to some degree. And you understand, my personal preference is libertarian, which is unfortunately unworkable.

    • Libertarianism would only work if sufficient morals and ethics existed in a culture. The problem is that even if you could get stable system of morals and ethics in a society for a while, it would quickly get disrupted by technology, foreign influence, or ethically antisocial individuals would just subvert it. Basically it delegates too much to the informal gentleman’s agreement type stuff, but on a larger scale.

      The main problem with “intelligent discussion” isn’t necessarily lack of intelligence, but psychology. For example, people who are very prone to moral credentialing and moral licensing just can’t deal with it emotionally if you mess up their moral credentialing scheme. It’s like telling them that all those indulgences they bought were a fraud. You might say this has to do with a lack of emotional intelligence but not with a lack of conventional logical intelligence which just makes it easier for them to understand what they don’t want to understand.

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