First there was this:
And then there was this:
What a difference four years makes in his choice of power salutes!
In the spring of 2012, Anders Behring Breivik gave — incoherently — a black power salute at the opening of his trial. For readers who were old enough to remember, his gesture evoked the salutes given by two black American athletes at the Olympics awards ceremony in Mexico City in 1968:
But maybe Mr. Breivik intended a more generalized socialist revolutionary motif à la Che Guevara, which is what I riffed on when I made this digital composite at the time of the trial:
In his “manifesto”, the Butcher of Utøya expressed admiration for Che, so perhaps that was his rationale for the salute. If in fact a man as nuts as he is had any rationale.
Since then, of course, Mr. Breivik has moved on from International Socialism to National Socialism. Once he had been incarcerated for a while, he seemed to feel it was safe to “come out” as a Nazi, when it would no longer put his Aryan brothers in any immediate danger. In a letter to the media he confessed that his affection for the Counterjihad had been a hoax all along, and his real affections lay with the white separatists and neo-Nazis. His little fib about admiring Fjordman had been designed to fool the media. And fool the media he did; his scam was very effective — not only did the gentlemen of the press make life a pure living hell for me, Fjordman, and many other Counterjihad writers, but even now, more than two years after they received a copy of Mr. Breivik’s confessional letter, they have neither published that part of the message nor acknowledged their error.
Now the stone killer is back in court, suing the government for violating his human rights, and making a Nazi salute to greet the foolish members of the fourth estate who were waiting to record his madness on video and in photos.
Yesterday Fjordman made the following post on Facebook:
The mass murderer Anders Behring Breivik now makes a Nazi salute in court. In letters sent from prison, ABB states in very plain words that he is a Nazi and has never been an anti-Islamist. He only claimed to be an anti-Islamic activist in order to create a “witch-hunt” and media smear campaign against peaceful anti-Islamic activists. Western mass media refuse to mention this.
In March 2016, I have now finally read Breivik’s prison letters. I have made digital photos of all of the ones I know of. He claims to be a Nazi, but frankly, I still suspect that he is just plain insane. Breivik is too incoherent even to be a neo-Nazi. He will probably claim to be a smurf next week, if he thinks he can get more media attention that way.
I discuss some of this in my book Vitne til vanvidd, or Witness to Madness, in Norwegian.
Back in January 2014 we tracked down a copy of Anders Behring Breivik’s letter to the media. The extracted text is available here, and a pdf of the original document is here.
In my discussion of the letter, I said this:
No one in his right mind believes that the mass-murder of dozens of unarmed teenagers will force newspaper editors to engage in “dialogue”. A person who seriously entertains the idea is deeply, deeply deranged.
Regardless of whatever ideology Mr. Breivik might adhere to, his belief in mass killing as an effective means to achieve dialogue with media moguls is totally disconnected from it. Whether his cause is “racial hygiene”, environmentalism, socialism, or the need for fluoridating the water supply, the means he employed to promote it have nothing to do with it.
It’s easy to see why the MSM wanted to bury this half of the letter. It shows them up as gullible fools who took a shrewd psychopathic killer at his word, and parroted the exact line expected of them. Their case against the Counterjihad as “Breivik’s mentors” has been totally destroyed. As a result, they’re no longer interested in discussing the topic.
And now Anders Behring Breivik is an unabashed Nazi.
For the moment, anyway. As Fjordman pointed out, he may move on to something else if it garners him more attention. Maybe he’ll be a Scientologist next month. Or a Raelian. Or a Flat Earther. Who knows?
Or maybe he’ll stick with Nazism. That may be what he’s most comfortable with, his real self — insofar as he has one.
In gathering various links for this post I had to dig into the archives from the summer of 2011, which made me relive the trauma of those horrible days, albeit to a lesser extent.
Most of our current readers weren’t following our blog back then. For those who are interested in what happened, begin with the live blog of the events of July 22, 2011. Our coverage began not long after the bombing in downtown Oslo, which Fjordman heard from his apartment a couple of miles away.
Move forward from there to subsequent posts to see the way events unfolded for various members of the Counterjihad.
Our site was at blogspot in those days, and when we migrated to the new site several years ago, the video embeds did not come through. If you run across a post that used to have a video, visit the old site and look for the same post there.
The sequelae of those events were dramatic, and continue today. Fjordman was exposed and driven into exile. A number of Scandinavian bloggers shut down their sites. At least three of my colleagues lost their jobs because of their affiliation with the Counterjihad movement. Several other people I know retired from this line of work to avoid ruining their lives.
It was my good fortune to be unemployed and unemployable, so all I had to do was ride out the storm. I was advised to put the blog on hiatus until the furor died down, but I said @!%$?& that %?$#@!! What kind of keyboard warrior would I be if I soiled my breeches and fled the field at the first whiff of grapeshot? So we soldiered on.
We did, however, shut down the comments section. The unwonted attention drove dozens of new commenters to our blog, and many of those were troublemakers and government agents, provocateurs who left nasty comments of a sort that could be used to discredit us later. So we cut off comments for a few weeks, and when we opened them up again, they were subject to moderation. The free-wheeling days of yore were gone for good.
Major media outlets linked to us, laughably including The New York Times. Our traffic surged to five or six times its normal level, a peak it did not revisit until January 2016, after the Great Refugee Crisis arrived.
Normally that level of traffic would be a thrill, but in this case it felt horrible. 99% of the increase was from hostile venues — Norwegian and Swedish newspapers and TV sites, the NYT, The Washington Post, etc. Who wants to see that kind of traffic?
And the emails — some of them were ghastly. The nastiest, most foul-mouthed one was from a Swede, if I recall correctly. There were a few supportive ones, but most were hostile, and most of the rest were from the media. Fjordman had gone to ground and refused to give interviews, so they came after me instead. I also refused to give any interviews — I’d seen what they did to other Counterjihad people, and I had no interest in being smeared and misrepresented in such a fashion.
A couple of UK outlets even managed to find our phone number. That was a real jolt of adrenaline — to get a sudden phone call from a major British newspaper, wanting to ask me questions about Fjordman and Breivik.
It took a few months for the storm to abate. It returned again the following spring during the trial, but to a lesser extent. After that it gradually faded out, to the point that the current cohort of journalists don’t seem to remember the original fracas or why they went after us. How can they acknowledge their mistake if they can’t even recall it?
So there will be no satisfaction for us. No admission of error on their part, no retraction, no apology.
That was then, and this is now.
Over the long term, the Breivik controversy has hardened me. Months and months of exposure under the media klieg lights made me immune to the effects of lesser forms of scrutiny and criticism. My new motto is: “Don’t sweat the small stuff.”
Because, really, what else can be done to us at this point? Short of sending agents of the state to arrest us, that is.
Negative reactions from readers or the media no longer faze me. “Racist”, “fascist”, “Nazi”, “xenophobe”, “hater” — go ahead; do your worst! I’ve heard ’em all before.
Anyone who insists on telling unpalatable truths and becomes prominent doing so can expect similar treatment. Just look at what has happened to Diana West. Or Geert Wilders.
And if you become really, really annoying to the establishment, you may get the Pym Fortuyn treatment.
So those are the consequences. You can either shrug and accept them, or you can choose to live the quiet life and retire.
Dymphna and I chose to soldier on. I consider it a gift from God to be granted the opportunity to do something truly meaningful in these my sunset years.
Bring it on!
His eyes haven’t changed. One expects them to begin spinning right out of those photos. Ol’ Crazy Eyes…
If Norway really wanted justice for this psychopath, they’d have locked him in a ward for the criminally insane and thrown away the key, in much the same way we did the shooter who got Reagan for his own crazy reasons. As far as I know, after three decades, John Hinckley is still at St Elizabeth’s with occasional visits out to his mother.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Hinckley,_Jr.
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But Norway, a zipped-up totalitarian democracy, doesn’t have that kind of authenticity or sense of real justice. This mass murderer was too handy a weapon not to use in their attempts to bring down their opponents.
As I ‘ve said repeatedly, he was probably weaponized by both the American 3-letter humint trainers at the Oslo embassy and then dropped in the laps of the Norwegian security police to be monitored when the US fled. His big truck full of explosives that he drove into Oslo was supposed to be rolled up before he could detonate it. And ABB rolled up with it. But he got away from them. Had they known of his intent to get to Utoya for some payback for being so shamed, they might have paid more attention to him. I suspect he was considered a joke. Had they known of his ability to send his manifesto out simultaneously to hundreds of American places (not us- we were small fry), his ability to make them look like Keystone Kops might have been considered with more gravity.
ABB was their human weapon to use against the FarRightWingExtremists* in order to further marginalize them. Having read the emails we got once we closed the comments, I know how deeply insane some Norwegians (and Swedes) are – still walking the streets, too…like ABB, indoctrinated. All of them. I hope the latter like their Syrian guests: must be quite a dinner party when you find that YOU and your daughters are the main course.
*The FarLeftWingExtremists in totalitarian democracies are the gatekeepers for politics, media, and academia. I will never forget the creepy ugly “satire” some govt owned TV outlet made of a paraplegic character named “Fjordland”…its creation shows the ugly underbelly of Norway: as twisted as it was, I think it was meant to be funny. Think of a humorous satire written by Nazis. It was like that.
Sad, because Fjordman loved his country. A man doesn’t give up so much for his homeland except for love of country. And they spit on him…as has been done to prophets from time immemorial.
BTW, Little Old Neo-Nazi Breivik is as left-winged as they come.
But we look a little further.
Illogical behaviour and unreasonable insane, muslim empowering decisions made by the western govs., the Traitors’ strange and cringing attitudes towards islam, is producing “criminals”.
In the west “criminals” are those who love their fellow citizens, their countries and any country that’s not involved in criminality and terrorism.
Pointing out and defending oneself against self-designed invasion is not criminal. Is that too difficult to understand? Yes. 99 % of the Traitors don’t like to understand it deliberately.
Why and how was that noble, clever man Fjordman forced to leave his own country just because his excellent and realistic articles were quoted by another, who was also driven insane by the hellish behaviour of his own government. Some criminals are the product of their governments.
What Breivik mentioned in his book, whether we like it or not, are coming precisely as predicted concerning Europe miserable, pathetic, hapless, decline and slow death.
The world history and Prior to 1960 every single country and ruler tried to hinder, oppose and stop invasion by foreign armies. Quite logical.
Criminal-producing EU rulers do everything in their power to facilitate their own countries’ invasion and expect decent people not to react or oppose.
Just like what’s happening in America and Holland: Trump is bad because he does not like his country to surrender to islam. The same goes with Holland and Geert Wilders.
Since when was surrendering women and country to islam the best service offered by the “dishonorable x, y, z” Traitors?
The same applies to Israel: Europe wants Israel to surrender to islam or they are at fault for not appeasing muslims/arabs.
No. Defending one’s country and family and society is a natural and noble motive. Teaching and forcing tender youths and condition them to surrender to islam is a deadly sin and treasonous.
I soldier on too even through this recent conversion.
Me-“how long have I been banging on about Islam?”
Mate – ‘”years”
Me – ” and has what I have been saying coming true?”
Mate- ‘”yes”
Me – “and is it getting worse? ”
Mate “yes”
Me – ” yet you still don’t believe what I say about Islam”
Mate – “NO”.
Also this…..
Mate- ” you should watch the channel 4 programme ‘ the jihadi next door’. It is 1 hour long and it will change your view on Islam and show you that most muslims are good people”.
Me – ” Ok I will if you read the Koran”
Mate – ” No! What the f@#$ would I want to read that for? I haven’t got time for that”.
My mind boggles.
Which deep-state agency hired this confused creep?
Funny how those photos of him wearing Masonic regalia seem to have disappeared down the memory hole as well …
Greetings
Actually, the salute in question is based on a Roman salute intended to demonstrate “I am unarmed and come in peace” and was used with this meaning by the WWW Germans. Note that the attendees of the Nuremburg rallies were unarmed.
Could we please have a psychological analysis of other mass murderers like Mandela and Guevara?
TKS
Sorry Rolf, but I have to call you out on your classification of mass murderers. While Guevara did indeed personally participate in mass executions, he was hardly in the big leagues with the likes of Pol Pot, Mao, Hitler, Stalin, etc.
The real Mandela could surely not measure up the “Sainted Nelson” depicted in the lamestream media, but he certainly was not a mass murderer. His legacy – and that of his real handlers – may yet prove to be a different matter. Expect some really ugly events to unfold when – not “if” – the Economic Freedom Fighters of Julius Malema comes to power. [ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_Freedom_Fighters ]
Sorry to be picky, Rolf, but the “Fascist” salute was invented by the Italian supporter of Mussolini, Gabriele d’Annunzio; no-one knows how Roman soldiers actually saluted.
The intention was of course to create some continuity with the ancient Romans; the symbol of the “fasces” (sticks bound around an axe) actually predates the era of the dictators and emperors, but never let the truth get in the way of a good narrative.
Wasn’t B a huge fan of Top Gear?
Why isn’t Jeremy Clarkson cited as a source of B’s madness?
Aren’t all these Muslim ‘extremists’ who go around killing people readers of the Koran?
Why isn’t their reading material cited as a source of their motivation?
Quite. Moslems are the only ideologues whose foundational texts are considered irrelevant. We’re encouraged to believe that their violence exists in a theoretical vacuum. That their deeds have ‘nothing to do with Islam’. Meanwhile Breivik’s writings were taken very seriously and connections he made with the counter-jihad (false, as we now know) leapt on as evidence of the movement’s inherent violence.
Islam is given a free pass because it’s seen as a religion rather than a political ideology. Secular westerners view religion as silly, illogical and irrelevant. So Islam is just another ‘sky fairy’ nonsense that they can’t take seriously.
Western Christians on the other hand are infested with ecumenicalism, and want only to see the (supposed) similarities with their own beliefs. The cozy comfort of their multi-faith meetings mustn’t be spoiled by hard questions about what moslems really believe. That would really scare away the unicorns and wash away the rainbows.
My new motto is: “Don’t sweat the small stuff.”
And be sure to remember: It’s all small stuff.
Life’s too short to waste time worrying.
We have an ashram in a nearby county. They had a guru, now deceased, who used to give wonderful sermons at satsang. In one, he pointed out the fact that we’re all in the same boat. The smart ones put down their suitcases on the deck and let the craft carry them together. The worried ones insisted on holding onto their suitcases because the boat couldn’t do that job, of carrying both. Putting down one’s black bag of “small stuff” is very difficult. For many of us, it contains about five or six “worries”. Eventually one of them will be resolved one way or another but that doesn’t lighten the load, it simply makes room for another fret…
…occasionally I count mine to see if perhaps they’ve been reduced in number. Sigh.
That’s great, just remember, some cultures build better boats, and don’t let in the people who are trying to knock big holes in the bottom of your boat.
The lie that Breivik is an “anti-Islamic activist” has now been completely demolished by none other than Anders Behring Breivik himself. If Western mainstream media had any shred of decency, they would apologize to me, Ned and Dymphna, Robert Spencer, Diana West, Andrew Bostom and a whole bunch of other people who have been unfairly smeared because of this case. But since journalists generally don’t have a shred of decency, I don’t expect to see an apology any time soon.
And the police would apologize to you for what amounted to harassment (not to mention the suitcase containing your suspicious socks that they had to keep for questioning).
If they had either the manly appurtenances or the integrity, such apolog(ies) would have been for public consumption at a televised conference.
If…well, then, Norway would be a different country, wouldn’t it?
You are always in my prayers. Even when one is a willing exile, there is nothing like home to ease the heart.
Was Breivik a patsy for NATO’s Operation Gladio?
And Stoltenberg became the NATO Commander in Chief.
[www.svd.se/1400-natochefen-moter-nordens-forsvarsministrar. 10 nov. 2015]
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The Real Deal Ep # 81 Ole Dammegard on the Norway Bombing & Student Shooting
On the anniversary of this terrible event in the history of the Norway Bombing and the Student Shooting, Ole experiences several oddities, including feeling severely nauseous while close to a building that was reputed to be an MK Utlra prison center.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=BptEMijgxao
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Operation Gladio: The Cold War ‘Black Op’ Continues
https://youtu.be/wU0fxLS0BSQ
Publicerades den 12 jan. 2013
“Terror is being used as a weapon to destroy the cherished freedoms of democratic societies”
The recent attack on Libya laid bare the iron fist behind the velvet glove of slogans like “human rights” and “international community.” This latest aggression, like the destruction of Yugoslavia and the rape of Afghanistan, proceeds under the cover of NATO. And what is NATO? Author Richard Cottrell tells the story of mayhem, murder and subversion behind the “alliance for peace.”
http://www.infowarsshop.com/Gladio-NA…
Richard writes for the following blog
http://www.endthelie.com/
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http://www.investigatingtheterror.com/articles/Anders_Breivik___Gladio_Copycat_.htm
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NATO’s Secret Armies Operation Gladio and Terrorism in Western Europe
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Interview with Daniele Ganser
Laddades upp den 10 sep. 2011
Daniele Ganser, author of »NATO’s Secret Armies.
Operation Gladio and Terrorism in Western Europe«
Videoconferencia con Daniele Ganser, autor del libro
“Los ejércitos secretso de la OTAN”.
The full interview (85 minutes, in English with Spanish subtitles) is available here: http://christiebooks.com/ChristieBook…
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Die NATO und ihre Geheimarmeen – Vortrag Dr. Daniele Ganser
NATO Geheimarmeen – Prof. Daniele Ganser
Verdeckte Kriegsführung – Ein Blick hinter die Kulissen der Machtpolitik (Dr. Daniele Ganser) NuoViso.TV
Auf der AZK im Juli 2014 referierte Dr. Daniele Ganser zur verdeckten Kriegsführung des Westens.
Daniele Ganser: Die dunkle Seite des Westens – NATO kriminell
Dr. Daniele Ganser im Gespräch mit Michael Friedrich Vogt darüber, wie „Demokratien“ zu Staatsterroristen werden. Gehen …
DANIELE GANSER (zu NATO, Flüchtlingsströme, 9/11, Anthrax)
KenFM: Gegenüberstellung: Marieluise Beck im Bundestag und Dr. Daniele Ganser bei KenFM
KenFM im Gespräch mit: Dr. Daniele Ganser (Teil 1: Ressourcenkriege, Peak-Oil, Imperium USA)
KenFM im Gespräch mit: Dr. Daniele Ganser (Teil 2: NATO-Terror, 9/11, Ausblick und Lösungsansätze)
Dr. Daniele Ganser – Vortrag über Energieformen, Erdöl und die NATO
GLADIO im ZDF – FEB 2013
för 3 år sedan18 023 visningar
Professor Dr. Daniele Ganser – NATO/GLADIO
KenFM-Spotlight: Dr. Daniele Ganser über die Nato-Osterweiterung
usw, beinahe ad infinitum
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Norway Terror Attacks a False Flag: More Than One Shooter on Island; Oslo Police Drilled Bomb Blasts; Was It NATO’s Revenge for Norway’s Decision to Stop Bombing Libya?
by Webster G. Tarpley, Ph.D.
http://tarpley.net/2011/07/24/norway-terror-attacks-a-false-flag/
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Alex Jones & Webster Tarpley: Norway Terror Attacks a False Flag Staged Event! 2/2
The Alex Jones Channel
https://youtu.be/z1_2DMKqE8c
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Norway’s Terror as Systemic Destabilization: Breivik, the Arms-for-Drugs Milieu, and Global Shadow Elites
Breivik’s Terror: Was It a Deep Event?
http://www.globalresearch.ca/norway-s-terror-as-systemic-destabilization-breivik-the-arms-for-drugs-milieu-and-global-shadow-elites/26154
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http://lightonconspiracies.com/newsite/
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Ole Dammegård “When Terror Struck Norway”
OpenmindconferenceDK
https://youtu.be/JC4OWCKlF1Q
Publicerades den 6 nov. 2015
Ole Dammegård at the Open Mind Conference 2015. Ole is an author, inventor, former journalist and investigator, who has dedicated the last 30 years of his life to researching many of the global conspiracies.
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http://www.openmindconference.com/speakers/item/125-ole-dammegaard-2015
His main focus has been to find out the truth about the assassinations of the Swedish Prime minister Olof Palme, JFK, Robert Kennedy, Martin Luther King, John Lennon and Lady Di, plus the terror attacks of 911, Oklahoma City and the Boston Marathon etc.
Over the past 25 years, Ole has discovered links between all of these assassinations, which has led him to believe that the same people were involved in both the JFK and Olof Palme murders, as well as many other major ‘events’. The same Global Elite seem to have used the same skilled mechanics for decades for doing their ‘dirty work’.
Ole has had the privilege of being a special guest on many programs, such as The People’s Voice, Red Ice Creations (10 hours), Sweden/USA, Project Camelot, USA, Veritas Radio, USA, The Real Deal with Prof. Jim Fetzer, USA, No Lies Radio with Dr Kevin Barrett, USA, Super Woo Radio, Australia, Global Peace Radio, UK, Open Your Mind Radio, Ireland, Talk Radio Europe, Spain, Freedom Radio, Denmark, Freedom Reigns, Australian Phi in the Sky etc. He has also had articles published on prominent websites such as Veterans Today.
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Thank you. A link-rich comment.
You said:
Richard writes for the following blog
http://www.endthelie.com/
But it’s a dead link. Or not exactly ‘dead’ but not up and running yet.
Investigating the terror is now an archive, but with lots of information. The fellow now writes for
http://www.spyculture.com/
For those who follow Hollywood and entertainment outlets, that one is excellent.
It will take a while to go through enough material to understand “Gladio”… but I don’t think ABB’s skill set and experience (or lack thereof) would have made him interesting to an actual organization. I had followed Headley back when he was found to be making trips to Denmark to attempt to case out Jyllands Posten for a series of bomb attacks and assassinations. An alliance between the Pakistani (half-Paki) and ABB seems unlikely.
I like their aggressive push against the common wisdom and their willingness to perform the due diligence our government bureaucracies can’t be bothered to do…
…now if someone could just interest a linguistic forensics analyst to go over ABB’s ‘manifesto’ to tell us how much of it was actually written by someone(s) whose native language was English, we’d really have some solid information.
I think that Breivik claims to be a Nazi is a means to keep people from associating him with counter-jihad activities. But, he’s a counter-jihad guy.
Obertone tells us in “Utoya” that Breivik sees himself as a member of a naked mole rat army. These animals fight and sacrifice themselves to help the others survive.
So I assume that what you say above doesn’t apply. The only reason why Breivik masquerades as a Nazi is to make the counter-jihadists’ lives easier by pretending to never have been a counter-jihadist himself.
I can’t image that this isn’t obvious to everybody around here.
i agree
Laurent Obertone, Utoya, Page 185
“Je dois être comme le Prince Harry, j’aime bien me costumer en nazi pour faire hurler les gens convenables.”
I thought he must be masquerading and he so he says.
If had had this sentence in mind, I would have quoted it above. So this makes it even more likely that he’s masquerading.
Thank you for all that you do!
ABB forces us to confront the question of how to stop the cultural Marxists who are out to destroy the white Christian people of Europe? Our children have been robbed of their birthright and face a future of submission to Islam with all the horror that entails. It may be distastteful but democratic means have been denied to us and ultimately must fight if we want to survive.
I have to admit, I don’t see a democratic solution either. Conditions will get so bad that people can no longer hide in their delusions about the issue, and are forced to react or be killed. Only then will people be willing to risk their life, jobs, homes, etc. Until then, everyone is just going to put their heads in the proverbial sand and hope somehow this will all blow over.
Actually communism and national socialism are branches of the same tree (Hitler refers to the socialist state in his speeches a lot), so it’s not like Breivik went from extreme left to extreme right in the political sense.
“If in fact a man as nuts as he is had any rationale.”
Now we are getting near the truth. I wouldn’t waste any further time or comment on this excuse for a human.
Forgive me for being oblique, but to some extent I find it curious to justify some of the comments posted here.
While I agree Breivik is not a picture of your average Norwegian male, I wonder at all the above comments labelling him ‘mad’. While many speculated on just that immediately after the massacre, at the time I wrote on several blogs that a madman could hardly coordinate his acts the way he did, and his so-called manifesto–the ramblings of a madman? Hardly.
So while on the one hand I agree the massacre at Utøya was a shocking act of mass-murder, we come to the fact that (as many Norwegians agree) had Breivik just carried out the bombing, and instead attacked a local mosque during Friday prayers, he would probably be regarded in an entirely different light today.
Which brings us to the fact that shooting so many innocent (?) teenagers is the sole reason for western hatred of Breivik. What those teenagers were doing the day before has seemingly been deemed irrelevant. They were leftists; most who comment here loathe leftists, therefore it follows that hatred of Breivik is because they were teenagers?
Twenty five years ago in Calgary I was working with an Englishman and a Northern Irishman, and listening to a conversation between them. The Englishman who had been a para in N.I. during the troubles was telling of an encounter with some kids:
“We shot the little buggers….” And I fell right in…..
“You mean you shot little kids?”
“Peter, would you have just stood there and let them shoot you just because they were kids? Just believe me, brainwashed little kids can and will kill you just as dead as any grown up!”
Fast forward to several comments I saw later on comments in Verdens Gang and Dagbladet:
“Breivik fikk ikke nok av dem…” (Breivik didn’t get enough of them!)
So it seems to me you can’t have your cake and eat it too–yes the man was a cold blooded mass murderer, but arguably he killed people who were/are our enemies, the (future) leftists, who most of us here agree are actually worse than the moslems themselves.
Well, just a few thoughts on a complex subject, and one which has divided Norwegians as well as the world.
This is one piece of evidence that demonstrates that Breivik was (is) insane: he thought that murdering dozens of teenagers in cold blood would cause the major media to engage in a “dialogue” with him about mass immigration.
THAT is proof of insanity. He is a lunatic who is capable of careful, focused long-term planning. There is ample clinical literature on that particular type of craziness. But he is definitely barking mad.
If Breivik thought he could engage with the media (and government) in any kind of dialogue about mass immigration, then that definitely supports your argument, Baron! (since the media are as bent as a dog’s hind leg)
However, they found him to be sane. The reason for my comment was simply to point out that we are in a war for our survival; millions of people are commenting in blogs on what they would do, given the chance, and here we have a man who snapped and did something–albeit extreme, and the world jumps on him.
Depending on how you look at it, Breivik got the wrong people, but, wouldn’t you agree that if we all just mumble in our beer and do nothing, the Islamic tide (helped by our own traitors) will just wash over us?
I believe it was one of your own Presidents who said:
“The only way for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing”.
p.s. NOT saying Breivik was good,BTW.
Well, it all depends on what you mean by “doing something”. If it involves walking into a mosque on a Friday and spraying the place with a Kalashnikov, then I’m not getting in the car with you, thank you very much.
I’m not sure how you’re being “oblique”. Do you mean you don’t name the Leftist party that held the summer camp for Labour youth, the party that supports Hezbollah? Or that ABB probably got the day wrong, perhaps planning his visit to coincide with that of the Foreign Minister, whom he might also have planned to kill?
Breivik was known to be on anabolic steroids, or in withdrawal from them. The question has always been who was his supplier? Or one of the questions.
He was declared unfit for military service, and his mental problems were noticed as early as age four. He was both a mass murderer and mentally unfit to stand trial. He should have been hospitalized in an institution for the criminally insane with no hope of parole. Ever. He was also deeply envious of those he killed as he would never ‘belong’ – something that seems to have been drilled into him. The fact that he was capable of making these plans and carrying them out doesn’t make him sane.
No, I do NOT agree Leftists are worse than Islam. More deluded perhaps, but they did not deserve death for their delusions.
That’s a very poisoned “cake” you suggest that people would want to have, much less consume.
I still think Breivik was a pawn who was underestimated by those who sought to benefit from rolling him up as a “lone wolf”. I also think he was persuaded by others that he was going to be the leader of a great movement. It’s one of the reasons he surrendered so easily – he thought he’d be rescued.
Hmmm, I mean I was approaching a very controversial subject from an unusual angle, for 99% of people just comment on what they think of Breivik, who certainly is a weirdo, but over a lot of years in Canada, NZ and Norway, I’ve worked with a good number of weirdos, and one or two I’d describe as downright nasty. No, they didn’t go around murdering teenagers, but I think you know what I mean, unless you’ve led very sheltered lives!
I think you and the Baron are commenting on Breivik, while I’m looking more at the result of what he did.
Like many who comment here on GoV I don’t see how the issue with islam can possibly be resolved amicably, so I think it must come to violence. (and the sooner the better)
For violence to start, someone has to start it; I mean someone other than moslems, and whoever that is, and whatever he/she/they do, they will be pilloried for it.
You don’t agree? Do you think we should just continue as we have over 4 decades now, giving in to the enemy year after year? You know what the end result must be.
BTW, I do wish you–and everyone else would forget the Nazi [business]; the Nazis are long gone from the world stage, and to call anyone a Nazi nowadays is just ludicrous.
This is enough. The Nazi thing is Breivik’s deal. He used counterjihad people to hide his fascist belief system. Yes he’s ludicruous for claiming either ideology as his own, but he also claims to worship Odin…and who really cares about any of it.
He destroyed more than just those kids. And, yes, Islam is inherently violent, as we have seen world-wide, ad infinitum, ad nauseam. But in the US they can be fought in the courts, the legislatures, and the public square.
I don’t know what the future holds, but no one here is going to advocate violence. That’s not our interest. I want to see America’s sovereignty restored, the rule of law rehabilitated, and the political class put in its proper place. I want crony capitalism to be brought to a halt – as much as possible by nailing shut the swinging doors between/among politicians, lobbyists, academia, and entertainment. No one should be able to enter politics and enrich themselves as this president and Clinton have done.
PC/MC has to be brought to heel before we can do anything about the inroads of Islam. Immigration has to be deeply cut, with none from the Middle East. I would make an exception for Christians since they are the most severely persecuted.
No one is addressing those issues except for Donald Trump. Which is why people are turning out in phenomenal numbers. Canada now has an Islamic party…that could happen here only in Minnesota or Michigan, but never nationally.
Our current president has set back domestic race relations by at least a generation, and he’s made them radioactive. It will take us a decade to get past his domestic harm. His foreign “policy” chaos is beyond repair.
No more mention of violent means against Islam. This is civilizational jihad. The Muslim Brotherhood understands that well.
This bastard needs to be called what he basically is: an Islamist. And preferably executed.
According to law of course.
Breivik is an anti-Islamic activist AND a nazi. Why one should exclude the other? I bet that among anti-Islamic activists there are quite a few with extreme right sympathizers anyway.
As excepted. That idiot!
Often I want to say something about that day but I don’t do that. The best punishement for people like him is oblivion (the jail can be considered more a containment place to not allow the nazi to harm other people).
I believe he posed himself as counter-jihad just to have more people on his side, and probably now he showed his nazi face because he is mistaking the rising of ‘islamophobia’ for rising of natonal socialism support.
Now I see why he slaughtered people from the left (while according to his fake ideology, he should have attacked muslims). Coherent with nazi mind, he killed his opponents. (also, nazi and muslims are often friends. Probably he is pro-islam and anti-Zionist)
He’s even ignorant about european races, and even ignores that his idol hitler was an alpine (like most nazis).
If he wasn’t dangeruos, he would be laughtable. The same thing applies to muslims.
A italian blogger once stated his suspect about breivik being truly a nazi, right after the attack. He was right in the end.
even ignores (like most nazis) that his idol hitler was an alpine.
I didn’t wanted to spread misunderstanding about alpines.