Michael Stürzenberger: “Political Islam is a Dangerous Totalitarian Fascist Regime”

In the following video, Oliver Flesch interviews Michael Stürzenberger from the latter’s hospital bed. The interview took place the day after the knife attack in Mannheim that wounded Mr. Stürzenberger. At the time it was recorded, the policeman who was wounded in the same attack had not yet died.

Many thanks to Brunhilde for the translation, and to Vlad Tepes and RAIR Foundation for the subtitling:

Video transcript:

00:00   Ahoy, my dears, welcome to “Deutschland Kurier”. Sad occasion.
00:04   But maybe not, because at least he’s alive.
00:07   A warm welcome, Michael Stürzenberger. —Yes, hello, Olli.
00:11   Michael, how are you doing? —Yeah, as they say, under the circumstances —
00:17   I’m glad for all of the participants yesterday
00:22   that everything went reasonably smoothly, if you can call it that.
00:27   Because there could have been some deaths yesterday.
00:30   It was really evil what this Afghan pulled off with his long knife.
00:36   Have you been able to see the videos already?
00:39   Yes, partially.
00:42   And yes, what was really shattering was the stab in the neck of the policeman.
00:48   Two stabs in the neck. I don’t know what his condition is right now.
00:54   I hope he’s out of danger now. [He subsequently died — ed.]
00:57   The police officer… that was also really a clear, clear attempted murder.
01:04   Me, I have a total of seven or eight stab wounds.
01:08   I wasn’t really aware of everything that went on. One might have gone into the lung;
01:12   it just missed it. That would probably have been it.
01:16   And in the thigh, an artery could also have been hit.
01:19   Thank God it was only veins, but there was still a lot of blood loss.
01:23   And I really have to say — all of those who immediately provided first aid, the Muni (?),
01:28   our chief (?), were there to apply pressure and then the police officers with tourniquets.
01:33   There were police officers with hospital experience who administered first aid.
01:38   And then of course the paramedics, so it was a really close call yesterday.
01:42   We’ll get back to the police officer in a moment.
01:47   What struck me when I watched this video closely —
01:52   this boy must have had war experience.
01:56   Or at least must have been in incredibly good shape.
02:00   Because he consistently stabbed so fast.
02:03   And that takes strength. You have to stab the knife in, you have to pull it out again.
02:08   And at that distance, it’s not an easy thing to do.
02:12   Yes, so I also had that impression when I watched the pictures on site,
02:18   everything happened so lightning fast, it was like an apocalypse.
02:21   It came out of the blue. I had just finished my live stream on my YouTube channel
02:28   to bring attention to our rally.
02:31   And then we were just getting ready to play our anthem and get rolling.
02:35   And then suddenly, out of nowhere, this lightning strike came
02:39   stabbing at me in the rhythm of an accordion.
02:42   At lightning speed, as you say, yes, and evidently also deep.
02:46   Yes, because the wounds were really deep.
02:49   And there were clamps here on the side, in the jaw.
02:55   And there was a gaping wound on the lip.
03:00   You could look through it to the teeth. So it must have looked really, really awful.
03:05   So he really hammered it in there. Yes, absolute madness.
03:11   An interesting picture has emerged. At first he looked atypical.
03:16   In principle, he also looked harmless.
03:19   And one can see him standing in front of your posters.
03:23   There are these display boards.
03:26   And there is an almost iconic picture
03:29   because he just happens to be standing in front of this picture, where it says something like
03:34   “We have nothing against Muslims.” You could no doubt quote it verbatim.
03:38   Yes. Our criticism is not directed against Muslims, but against political Islam.
03:43   And that has actually brought down the vast majority of Muslims.
03:48   Even with a possible existing outrage, you could actually discuss it.
03:54   And I was actually a bit naïve and gullible in Mannheim, assuming
04:00   that you could also discuss things with the many Muslims there.
04:04   Because we’ve been repeating it over and over again for five years.
04:07   We’re not against people, we’re just against the ideology of political Islam.
04:12   So a spiritual, secular Islam, where we all want to go — nobody is against that.
04:18   You can build mosques where you go to prayer
04:21   and hope for paradise and be charitable to each other.
04:24   That’s all right, there are these kinds of things.
04:27   But everything else, we all know what it is —
04:30   we have to discuss that.
04:33   And I always thought you could do that with reasonably sensible people.
04:38   But that guy, I don’t know, he also had quite a beard.
04:42   Which also suggests that he is probably a fundamentalist follower of political Islam.
04:49   He ignored this nuanced criticism.
04:53   He probably just somehow saw that “my religion is being criticized,
04:58   and now I’m going to kill.”
05:01   So really, now, to sum it up,
05:04   he made a special trip, probably from Hesse, from what one hears.
05:07   He had a murder plan in mind.
05:10   That’s a very interesting point
05:13   because in his livestream yesterday Irfan Peci wondered
05:19   if this could have been a spontaneous act. That he was surprised by the event.
05:24   But that’s not the case, you say. —So I read that he had traveled from Hesse.
05:29   So, as I said, one reads a lot. One always has to express oneself carefully.
05:35   But if it was the case that he made a special trip
05:38   and specifically came to the event with a knife,
05:41   then it wasn’t spontaneous.
05:44   If the other case were applicable, that he lives in the area
05:48   and just happened to come by
05:51   or heard about it and wanted to take a look,
05:54   and then became outraged on site, then that’s a slightly different thing.
06:00   But the way he stabbed people —
06:04   and there are also others who were injured; Moritz got a stab wound in the thigh,
06:09   a big, gaping wound. He was operated on for two hours.
06:13   He’s in a different hospital. —Best wishes for recovery to Moritz.
06:17   And then Paul, who, who pulled the Muslim away from me…
06:25   That was really courageous of him — that he pulled that guy away from me.
06:31   He probably got stabbed in the upper arm. Also bleeding a lot. He also went to the hospital.
06:37   And our Konrad — our thousandth member —
06:41   he also got stabbed. From what I saw in the pictures
06:44   he was apparently stabbed earlier.
06:47   He seems to have gotten it in the side of his back.
06:51   That was really crazy what happened there.
06:55   Absolutely. Absolutely. Let’s get to the police officer.
07:00   There was a lot of nonsense spread around
07:04   because the first video that everyone saw
07:08   was a little bit misleading.
07:11   Because there it looked like the police officer,
07:14   who was later stabbed in the back,
07:17   and concerning whom we still don’t know how he’s doing,
07:21   that he, instead of pulling away the attacker, pulled away a helper.
07:30   Now a video has come out — I don’t know if you already know that —
07:34   from a different perspective. And it turns out — yes, he pulled away a helper,
07:40   but only because the helper in the heat of battle made a mistake
07:43   and bashed one of your guys.
07:46   Yes, I really only saw that from the second perspective —
07:51   that our helper in the blue sweater actually made a mistake
07:55   and was striking at the guy who was actually dealing with the Afghan. —Yes, he was mistaken.
08:02   And the police officer was actually protecting the guy
08:06   who was trying to subdue the Afghan
08:09   from the blows of the ally with the blue sweater.
08:14   The one in the blue sweater and the light pants
08:17   essentially in the moment made a misjudgment.
08:21   But of course that can happen in this turmoil, in this chaos.
08:28   Everything happens so fast, it’s easy to get something wrong.
08:31   But there’s really as you say no reason to reproach the police officer.
08:38   From the other viewpoint it actually did look like
08:42   he was pulling our comrade away from the Afghan, and that would of course have been irritating.
08:49   You always have to look at these things from different perspectives,
08:54   then a different picture emerges.
08:57   Michael, are you in the same hospital as the police officer?
09:00   I don’t know where the police officer is.
09:04   I’ve inquired a few times about his condition
09:08   and the police officers who are here for my protection.
09:15   There are evidently also related hints
09:20   on the internet by radical supporters of political Islam to complete the job.
09:25   You just have to imagine — these people
09:29   who have these thoughts in their heads —
09:33   not too scarce, not too scarce —
09:36   who want to carry it out.
09:39   That’s why there’s intense police protection here.
09:42   And of course they’re very cautious about what they say.
09:48   But at least it seems that his life is hopefully no longer in danger.
09:56   But we don’t know what a stab in the neck might have triggered, also in regard to the brain.
10:03   That’s always a very sensitive area — the neck.
10:06   [Unintelligible]
10:09   We’re hearing terrible things about his condition, but it’s all rumours,
10:13   so I don’t want to share. We’ll just have to wait and see.
10:17   And of course we wish the police officer all the best.
10:21   Michael, have you heard in the meantime how many politicians
10:28   have spoken out? And I have to say, I was really positively surprised
10:33   because there was no relativization and they didn’t say anything like
10:37   “What that Stürzenberger comes out with — I can’t do anything about it.” But no. Nothing like that.
10:44   Only things like “That’s not OK.” “A stab in our democracy,”
10:47   as Boris Palmer [Mayor of Tübingen] said. Many have spoken out.
10:51   How is that for you? Yes, if this terrible incident yesterday has one positive result —
10:58   aside from the terrible injuries and all the chaos
11:03   and the fear and anxiety it triggered in the heads of a lot of people —
11:08   it is that we are now getting a lot of coverage in the media.
11:13   In all German mainstream media and also abroad.
11:17   My brother lives in Spain. He sent me a TV news broadcast
11:24   from Spain where it was reported. I hear in Israel, also in the USA,
11:29   probably also in other European countries. Geert Wilders posted a Twitter message.
11:34   So maybe it’s because our nuanced message
11:39   is slowly getting into the mainstream media.
11:42   And not with the usual word salad phrasing,
11:45   with an eye on Islam and the Office of the Protection of the Constitution (BfV).
11:50   You also read in many reports that “observations” by the BfV were terminated in writing in 2022.
11:56   And that now apparently with our nuanced criticism of political Islam
12:01   we really are in the mainstream media. Maybe we’re also waking people up
12:07   at high political levels. Because, really, they’ve all made statements.
12:11   [Chancellor Olaf] Scholz made a statement. [Interior Minister Nancy] Faeser made a statement.
12:14   [Vice chancellor Robert] Habeck made a statement. [Deputy Minister-President Thomas] Strobl…
12:17   …in Baden-Württemberg, he was even on-site at the event.
12:21   Of course, mainly because of the police officer who was so badly injured.
12:26   But even he was there. And I heard from our comrades
12:31   that they wanted to give him a flyer, which of course he did not accept.
12:35   But at least people are now paying attention to us.
12:40   More so than had been the case in the past.
12:44   And maybe we now have a chance that our nuanced message
12:48   will get an echo in the mainstream media.
12:52   I really see everything in a positive way.
12:56   What is being reported there about me personally
12:59   is relatively — relatively — objective.
13:02   Of course there are still those typical phrases.
13:05   The worst was by um… um… [Oliver Flesch says “Rainer Wendt”]… Rainer Wendt.
13:12   That was intolerable. Michael, very briefly. We have to tell people who might not know Rainer Wendt
13:18   who he is. Rainer Wendt is chairman of the police union.
13:21   And is someone who so far has always struck us as mostly positive
13:25   because he is very critical about the culture of mass immigration.
13:30   But this time he was completely wrong. What did he say?
13:34   Yes, extremist clashes with extremist. I was also [an extremist].
13:39   He read a little bit in Wikipedia. He read that I was convicted a few times,
13:44   and under observation by the Office for the Protection of the Constitution.
13:48   And so he curdled his cheese [jumped to conclusions].
13:51   It’s intolerable to be equated with a knife-stabbing barbaric person.
13:59   Extremist. That is a verbal derailment.
14:03   I hope he will correct himself and apologize.
14:07   Because I had thought quite highly of him.
14:11   For the most part he made very good statements
14:14   regarding security and uncontrolled immigration,
14:17   on the position of the police regarding all these acts of violence
14:23   often by someone who has immigrated. That was all really good.
14:27   But that. That was the only derailment in all the reports that came in.
14:34   In the “Tagesschau” at 5pm on Saturday — yesterday — they interviewed
14:40   a so-called violence researcher or something like that,
14:45   who said I was an Islam-hater
14:48   who would exceed the limits and would provoke. As if…. First of all, that’s wrong.
14:53   And second, as if that would legitimize the stabbing. [Oliver: Mmm…mmm]
15:00   I’d like to read you a comment that I think is typical,
15:05   of the type that I’ve come across most often.
15:09   We were just saying that the politicians have almost without exception
15:14   rightfully made surprisingly positive statements.
15:18   But on the net, especially among journalists
15:22   there are always some fools who don’t know you
15:25   and who think that they have to write something like that.
15:28   I’ll read you something. This is Liane Bednarz, who’s also a journalist.
15:33   She writes: “I’ve despised Michael Stürzenberger’s political views for many years.
15:39   But I don’t despise him as a human being.
15:43   The increasing brutalization in Germany is alarming.
15:46   No democrat should quietly accept that.
15:49   I wish Stürzenberger a speedy recovery.”
15:52   I don’t even want to reproach Liane, whom I know from before,
15:56   from my mainstream time, for saying that.
15:59   Because I don’t think she even knows what your political views are.
16:03   Because there were also comments below that said:
16:06   “What do you have against Stürzenberger’s political views?
16:10   He rejects Sharia law. He stands on the side of the Jews.
16:15   What is there to say against that?” Unfortunately, she did not answer.
16:20   I’ve read that sort of thing often. I think they don’t even know what you really think.
16:24   Yes. That would be the case with Liane Bednarz.
16:30   She’s written for Der Spiegel. I kind of remember the name.
16:34   These people, aside from moral indignation, don’t have much to offer.
16:40   They should look at the whole thing based on the facts. They should look at what we say,
16:46   how we express ourselves. How we have countless conversations with Muslims,
16:51   and always appeal to them. Hey people, it’s about the dangerous components.
16:55   And we have a problem that hurts all of society.
16:59   And she probably has never dealt with us.
17:04   She just thinks, “Aha, Islam, and we probably have to [unintelligible].”
17:11   I can only advise everyone to deal with it, and hopefully,
17:15   because of this incident, everyone will take a close look at it.
17:21   I have already seen articles at the ZDF, “Who is Michael Stürzenberger?”
17:26   Also in other major mainstream media, things will be looked at more closely.
17:31   And maybe other insights will make it into the mainstream media.
17:38   And maybe sometime we will — it doesn’t have to be me —
17:42   there must be someone who can very clearly express criticism of political Islam.
17:46   Irfan — he already gets it and could deal with the subject.
17:54   Or someone else. There are so many who can formulate it clearly.
18:00   We have to reach the broad spectrum of the population in the mainstream.
18:06   Otherwise it will really be tough for us. —Michael, for a long time there’s been criticism
18:12   about the security concept of the BPE [Bürgerbewegung Pax Europa].
18:17   Were these critics right in retrospect?
18:20   No. The security concept… So the police always do a situation assessment.
18:27   And the police then decide what needs to be done for security on-site.
18:33   Whether safety grids will be set up or not.
18:36   In Mannheim, the grids were ready,
18:40   and were supposed to be set up if the situation became dangerous.
18:46   So far I’ve always found that to be appropriate.
18:49   But now we have to say that basically every rally
18:53   has to be completely enclosed.
18:56   After this incident, there is no other way.
18:59   Yes, you can talk to a lot of them.
19:02   But there only has to be one, like this Afghan yesterday, who stabs.
19:07   And even then, grids only provide limited protection.
19:10   Because imagine if he comes running up, leaps over the fence and storms toward us.
19:15   You have no chance to react. [Oliver: Mmm-mmm-mmm]
19:19   In public places, you always have a legal risk.
19:26   Yes. Michael, I don’t know if you remember.
19:30   Quite some time ago, I wanted to give you some stab-proof clothes.
19:35   You said, That’s a nice thought, but I can’t use them because you’re not allowed to wear them.
19:40   Doesn’t the law have to be changed?
19:43   Yes. We have to talk about that too.
19:47   I know it from Geert Wilders.
19:50   He’s allowed to wear a protective vest at events.
19:53   But only in closed rooms. I have already experienced it a few times
19:58   when I’ve been together with him and saw how he puts it on.
20:02   But at public rallies, according to the law on assembly, it’s a passive weapon.
20:08   You protect yourself with this vest from police action.
20:13   Same as with pepper spray. Or a helmet. You can’t wear that either.
20:18   Those are the legal requirements.
20:22   But surely in the face of this special threatening situation,
20:27   the authorities might make an exception. For speakers, for example.
20:33   But we were told by an operations manager — it was in Munich —
20:38   “if you wear such a vest, you might express yourself even more radically.”
20:43   [Oliver snorts “Ha!”] Yes, yes. Exactly! More radical!
20:46   The idea is, without a vest, you have to express yourself more carefully.
20:50   Those are all considerations that come into play.
20:54   Michael, we’re going to wrap up soon. This is strenuous for you.
20:57   Just two questions. How are your fellow activists? Moritz and so on.
21:04   I’ve had an exchange with Moritz. He sent me some photos.
21:08   He has a long, long stab wound on the thigh. He [the attacker] got him, too.
21:12   He also had two hours of surgery.
21:15   But under the circumstances things look pretty good for him.
21:21   And with Paul, unfortunately we’ve had no contact so far.
21:26   He turned off his cell phone. And with Konrad,
21:31   unfortunately also not. We keep trying to reach him.
21:36   I really hope that everything is more or less OK there also.
21:41   Yes, you can imagine. You know our bubble.
21:46   There are various conspiracy theories circulating again.
21:50   I don’t want to go into them. Just one thing.
21:54   Explain to the people out there — I already know —
21:58   why one of your supporters was wearing a mask.
22:01   Yes. Paul does it for protection. He doesn’t want to be recognized.
22:08   He doesn’t do it for health reasons. There’s always a lot of speculation. He has it for protection.
22:14   He doesn’t want his face to be identified.
22:17   Like so many others as well. You know, Ollie, before the rally
22:20   an Aramaic Christian came to me. He shook my hand. He said,
22:24   “Thank you very much. I’ve been following your educational website for years.”
22:28   He’s from Iraq. “We were driven out. We know what needs to be done.
22:34   You are doing such infinitely important educational work.” I said, “I’m really happy to hear that.
22:39   Why don’t you come later and if you could speak at the microphone it would be great.”
22:43   He says, “I’m sorry. I can’t. We’re under such pressure, under persecution.
22:48   And if someone speaks out, his life is in danger.”
22:52   So, that’s the situation. There are very few who have the courage [unintelligible].
22:59   We had several ex-Muslims who spoke out.
23:04   And we learned that they received the most vile threats from their own family.
23:11   And now they are holding back. It’s this incredible pressure, this threat of violence,
23:18   even death threats, that causes a lot of people to be silent.
23:24   This is one of the secrets of the success of totalitarian fascists that exert this pressure.
23:31   Political Islam is without a doubt a dangerous totalitarian fascist regime.
23:37   And we have to educate about that. I’m getting tired of repeating it all the time.
23:43   It has to penetrate, and maybe it will slowly get into the heads of some government politicians.
23:51   But I doubt that the government will actually take measures.
23:55   But the time will come. And it has to come from government policies.
24:00   They have the levers to actually do something, and a lot could be done.
24:05   I’m looking forward to the time when it will happen.
24:08   We will accompany it with Bürgerbewegung Pax Europa.
24:11   Factually we will support it where it goes and that is an immensely important…
24:17   Michael, before we finish I’d like to read you a Telegram post.
24:23   It moved me very much. It’s from my good buddy, your acquaintance, Oliver Janich.
24:28   He writes, “Get well, Stürzi. We’ve argued like tinkers.
24:32   But that’s just words. You have to put up with different opinions.
24:37   Violence is never acceptable. I’m glad you survived the cowardly attempted murder.”
24:43   Yes, that makes me very happy, even in this position. Many greetings to Ollie Janich.
24:48   I try to be more relaxed every day when there are different opinions.
24:55   Everyone has his opinion and articulates it.
24:58   And even if it diametrically contradicts my own opinion, like those conspiracy theories
25:04   about the attacks of political Islam, I try to learn to act more calmly.
25:11   Not to argue like a tinker as Oliver put it, but to have factual exchanges,
25:20   and then maybe get through with calmly presented arguments.
25:26   That’s what I’ll take on every day.
25:29   Michael, my last question, which everyone is most interested in, aside from your health.
25:36   Will you continue, and if yes, how?
25:39   Yes, so of course one has a lot of thoughts about it.
25:43   And what happened yesterday, I really feel it today.
25:48   Yesterday I was still in shock, I didn’t really perceive everything.
25:54   Today of course the pain comes. I have tablets,
25:59   these strong pain pills, so it’s reasonably tolerable.
26:03   But of course it’s no fun to lie in bed
26:07   when you have back and neck problems with your disks.
26:11   So it’s not all that much fun. I hope I can get up soon.
26:16   I was told that I might be able to take my first steps today.
26:23   I would also be happy to get out of the hospital,
26:29   and be among friends again sometime. Because from what I just experienced,
26:35   how everyone helped one another, how they all supported each other,
26:41   and how they’re all determined to carry on with this education, you can hope.
26:49   Of course you think to yourself sometimes, the next time, it might be worse.
26:55   But we have to make sure that we take the right measures,
27:01   provide the best possible protection in consultation with the police,
27:06   and that we carry out this education which is without doubt especially important now,
27:11   until politicians enact the measures.
27:15   That is so important, and we have to make sure that this work continues.
27:20   I don’t know about my health and whether I’ll be in a position to do that,
27:24   but I firmly believe that we’ll continue.
27:29   Michael, I wish you a good recovery.
27:33   As someone who knows women, I’d like to tell you: if you end up with a scar, don’t worry.
27:38   It just makes you more interesting in the ladies’ world.
27:41   And of course you are always warmly welcome here in Majorca.
27:44   We have enough space if you ever want to relax for a few weeks.
27:49   Many, many thanks for the interview and again best wishes for your recovery.
27:52   I hope to see you again soon, either here in Mallorca or on the street in Germany.
27:58   Kind thanks, Ollie and greetings to your family.
28:01   And it goes on.
28:04   Thank you very much.
 

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One thought on “Michael Stürzenberger: “Political Islam is a Dangerous Totalitarian Fascist Regime”

  1. It is ironic that the man cannot according to German law wear a protective vest (I assume it is a bullet proof vest that would also give some protection from knife attacks) because it would afford him more confidence to speak more openly in public .He already stays within the law speaking because Germany does not have the same freedom of speech that we in America have. The same progressive idiotic people in the media and elected leaders in Germany (as in America)in are calling him a violent extremist for only using words and never calling for violence against others.

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