The following report is a reminder that diversity is our nation’s greatest strength. How fortunate we are to live in such a glorious mélange of different cultures that enrich our own!
This is true here in the USA, and it’s even more true of Modern Multicultural Britain. Take the example of Shaykh Zakaullah Saleem, who is the head imam of the Green Lane Masjid in the culturally enriched English city of Birmingham. A video of Imam Saleem’s recent Koranic instruction went viral last week, due to the hysterical overreaction of ignorant Islamophobes who failed to understand his nuanced explanation of the Koran’s instructions on the legal penalties for adultery.
Below are three videos featuring the illustrious imam. Many thanks to Vlad Tepes and RAIR Foundation for uploading these clips.
The first video is an excerpt from Imam Saleem’s remarks about stoning adulterers, and includes a detailed explanation of the crime, as well as the scriptural justification for 100 lashes (for unmarried offenders) and stoning (for married people) as punishments:
The second video contains Imam Saleem’s brief instruction to make sure that adulteresses are buried up to the waist before being stoned, in order to preserve their modesty:
Finally, a video news report about the head imam of the Green Lane Masjid:
For more on Imam Shaykh Zakaullah Saleem and stoning, see these excerpts from an article in The Free Press Journal:
A video of an imam lecturing an audience on how to stone a woman to death emerged on social media on Tuesday. The video is from Birmingham’s Green Lane Masjid that recently received £2.2 million (Rs 23.24 crore) from the British government to support young people across Birmingham.
In the video, Imam Shaykh Zakaullah Saleem can be heard telling the audience that the woman should be buried waist-deep in the ground before stoning.
“According to the Sharia (Islamic law), when it comes to women, there must a hole dug in the earth, in the ground; and she must be covered up to half of the body,” the imam said.
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The video made rounds on X (formerly Twitter). Some users expressed doubts whether Zakaullah actually advocated the practice. However, another video of the same sermon shows the imam explaining to the audience that stoning to death is the punishment for ‘zina’ — and Islamic legal term for illicit sexual relations.
“The person who commits zina, according to the Islamic or the Sharia, whenever the Sharia is established, the punishment (for) the adulterer — man or woman — the punishment for them is, if they are married, then they will be stoned to death. If they are unmarried, they will be beaten with 100 lashes in front of a big Muslim gathering,” Zakaullah said.
Also, here are excerpts from an article posted by OpIndia:
On Tuesday, 22nd August 2023, a video surfaced on social media featuring an imam named Shaykh Zakaullah Saleem delivering a lecture to an audience, instructing them on the ‘correct procedure’ of stoning a woman to death. The video originates from the Green Lane Masjid in Birmingham UK which recently obtained £2.2 million (equivalent to Rs 23.24 crore) in funding from the British government in the name of ‘aiding the youth within the Birmingham community’.
Within the video, Imam Shaykh Zakaullah Saleem is audible, instructing the audience that, prior to stoning, the woman should be buried waist-deep in the ground. He said, “According to the Sharia (Islamic law), when it comes to women, there must be a hole dug in the earth, in the ground; and she must be covered up to half of the body.”
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The video circulated widely on the social media platform X (formerly known as Twitter). Certain users raised skepticism about whether Shaykh Zakaullah Saleem indeed endorsed the practice. However, another video of the same lecture by this imam portrays him clarifying to the audience that stoning to death serves as the penalty for ‘zina’—an Islamic legal term denoting forbidden sexual relations.
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Shaykh Zakaullah Saleem said, “The person who commits zina, according to the Islamic or the Sharia, whenever the Sharia is established, the punishment (for) the adulterer — man or woman — the punishment for them is, if they are married, then they will be stoned to death. If they are unmarried, they will be beaten with 100 lashes in front of a big Muslim gathering.”
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He added, “As Allah said at the beginning of the Surah An-Nur, ‘The man and woman who commit Zina — beat them and strike them with one hundred lashes. And you should not show any kind of mercy or sympathy towards them when it comes to the matter of the religion of Allah.’ Then Allah says, ‘And there should be a large group of believers witnessing their punishment’.”
The website of the Green Lane Mosque in Birmingham has given an introduction about this Imam Shaykh Zakaullah Saleem on its website. It says, “Qari Zakaullah is the Head Imam and Head of Education at the Masjid. After completing his Islamic Education, he worked in numerous roles before becoming the Imam of Green Lane Masjid in the UK. He memorized the Qur’an at a very young age and has led the Taraweeh prayers on numerous occasions. He has recently completed his Masters in Islamic Education from the Markfield Institute of Higher Education.” The mission statement of this Green Lane mosque as seen below its logo in the viral video reads ‘Inspire Educate Serve’.
Markfield Institute of Higher Education is an Islamic institute in Leicestershire. The institute is considered to be the UK’s leading center for Islamic studies. It received £2.2 million from the British government as a part of the Youth Development Fund by the Department of Culture, Media, Sports, and Charity Social Investment Business.
Notably, in July 2023, the UK government allotted a £24 million fund for protecting mosques and Muslim schools in the country. UK’s security minister Tom Tugendhat said, “Places of worship will receive £24 million in funding to help keep them and their faithful safe.” This funding is a part of the UK government’s commitment to ensure that religious communities are protected from hate crimes and terror attacks. But as opposed to the objective of the funding, Imam Shaykh Zakaullah Saleem was preaching the means of stoning a woman to death in the video that recently went viral.
At risk of being provocative, would chastity amongst the unmarried and fidelity amongst married couples not be a worthy goal within society?
I don’t know if I ever recall hearing of a man stoned to death for infidelity, although it probably does happen. I know I have heard of unmarried couples being flogged for sex outside of marriage in islamic countries.
I believe a bigger problem is that stoning is likely applied selectively and males mostly escape punishment. But the idea behind discouraging and indeed punishing with death those who are unfaithful is probably better for society than the licentiousness and off-the-rails hedonism that prevails in every western nation today.
Historically, preventing cuckolding and the possibility of an heir fathered by another male as well as encouraging marriage and social stability would have been behind this kind of punishment. As I recall, such gems could also be found in the Old Testament, which also strongly frowned upon immorality. And the Bible acknowledged prostitution and regarded it as evil but not as evil as adultery. Even islam gets around the prostitution thing by marriages for a night or a week, etc., but reserves punishment like stoning for adulterers. I also recall reading that HIV has made relatively slow inroads into islamic countries because adultery and sex outside of marriage are far less common than just about anywhere else in the world.
It is one thing to point at the (from our perspective) barbarian ways of islam and how it deals with blights like homosexuals and adulterers while bemoaning how depraved and sick our own societies have become, with every manner of depravity and perversion first becoming tolerated, then celebrated, and finally ascendent and intolerance punishable by law.
Yes, fidelity and chastity are the two forgotten virtues whose absence causes enormous harm to our modern society. However, I would not advocate for death penalty for sins of the flesh. Christianity gives sinners a possibility to repent and quite a lot through history have used this possibility with very good results.
Even the Old Testament gives us an impressive example of King David who having been admonished by Prophet Nathan repented of a particularly heinous act of adultery which included a sort of proxy murder of the woman’s husband.
As for supposed chastity of Islamic societies, I have grave doubts. I think that HIV is less common there mainly because of male circumcision. As for the mores of Muslims, there is a lot of hypocrisy. The main for most of them is to keep up appearances. Their motto is: things done on the sly are not done at all. Many Muslim men go to prostitutes, have sex with European tourists, foreign maids or whatever accessible women they can put their hands on.
And not only women. Having sex with boys or young men is widespread in most, though perhaps not all Muslim countries. You have heard of bacha bazi? This is a very old tradition in Afghanistan (especially its more conservative areas) and in quite a few countries of Central Asia. There is a lot of evidence of Turkish sultans and other rich Turks having boys in their harems and of horrible boy brothels in Ottoman Turkey.
There is a great difference between how Muslims behave in public and what they do in private.
Of course, it may be better than what we have in our post-Christian societies where the family is in deep crisis and child bearing is going out of fashion. At least, Muslims do get married and have children, thus avoiding extinction. But nowadays birth rates are falling even in most Muslim countries, the most advanced on this path being theocratic Iran.
Yes, I hate the idea of a man having to pay for a child that isnt his.
And to muslims and their “chastity”.
The girls and boys who do it get around it by using the back entrance.
No chance of pregnancy, no deflowering etc.
Only side effect – but only for the girls: warts at the back entrance. They are considered a sexually transmitted disease by the HPV virus.
And according to “I, princess” written by a saudi arabian princess certain magazines are free flowing in the circle of boys.
But I also smell something.
Maybe these videos are circulated to give some “ideas” to Antifa:
“Bad Nazis had it coming! Antifa and Muslims unite against fascism!”
But what Antifa forgets (greetings from Iran) Islam rules and doesnt give up power! They want all the power and will kill to get it! So I wouldnt be surprised if after victory both Islam and Antifascism square off against each other. And then Antifa will find out that LGBT… is no match for someone who really really wants to kill you.
Antifa were created by the communists to over throw the German Republic, then, just like that, the brown shirts were born(SA) and when their usefulness was over the SS had their Night of the Long Knives to rid themselves of them. Funny how history is now repeating itself.
Having been deployed to Afghanistan I am well aware of the practice of bacha bazi. I am also well aware that it is a cultural practice which preceeded islam, and a particularly heinous event involving bacha bazi and a warlord was the precipitating event which saw the creation of the Taliban. Ironically they stamped out the practice everywhere they controlled (not to say the leadership didn’t indulge in it) and it made a comeback once they had been forced to retreat from the country following the American invasion and occupation.
Also, having been raised in a Christian household I am well aware of the biblical stories. Personally I am not religious, and while I believe that Christ was a man who spoke deeply unpopular truths to power for which he was ultimately executed, I also believe that the whole alleged divine nature of his life was tacked on afterwards by his followers primarily to encourage and motivate converts, or to grow the earthly power of those claiming leadership and authority over early christians.
That being said, I also believe that most people have a need to believe in something to try and make sense of this world or their purpose in life. And therefore I see Christianity as a mostly stabilizing influence in society, and a good foundation of morality even if I personally don’t believe in the claimed divinity or supernatural concepts such as heaven or hell.
Personal experience has taught me that no one race, culture, or religious group is free of hypocrisy or immorality. I don’t have any desire to live in a religious theocracy, but a society that is based upon a moral framework such as the Ten Commandments is a much better place to live than the literal hell on earth that many western nations are rapidly becoming.
The universality of hypocrisy is a proof of the now unpopular Christian teaching of the original sin. Every human being is affected by it, therefore no political system can bring about an ideally happy society. Least of all a system that ignores the reality of the original sin. I would also note that hypocrisy exists not only in religious communities, but among atheists too.
Thank you for a good hard look at comparing civilizations.
A “worthy goal” perhaps, though I see little harm in young people sowing their wild oats (and the female equivalent?) provided precautions are taken.
That’s why I support prostitution being legalized.
Marriage, on the other hand, is a contract as well as a stabilizing force in society and tames the worst impulses of men and women. No one is forced to enter into marriage; at least outside of islam thats the case. If a man fails to provide for his family most women wouldn’t hesitate to divorce, and the courts are downright abusive in punishing men by taking away property, children, income, etc. Wives who are unfaithful are also huge winners in the divorce lottery, as they are able to initiate divorce after falling for Chad Thunderstroke or Tyrone Kong and still walk away with the house and the children and half or more of whatever assets they didn’t bring into the marriage.
Perhaps stoning to death for such a breach of contract is extreme, but I don’t believe it’s entirely unjustified.
As for sowing wild oats, I get that it’s biology, but this is better channeled by early marriage and motherhood for young women, and encouragement of early marriage for young men but also legal access to prostitutes/brothels to accommodate biological reality while discouraging their seductions and subsequent discarding of young women.
The apparent double standard is also due to biological reality; that men are more able to separate sex from attachment and less likely to catch feelings while taking care of a biological function than women for whom having numerous partners damages their ability to pair bond, and when in a committed relationship results in a loss of attachment and the end of that relationship when they engage in adultery to the detriment of any children.
I have seen too many examples in which sowing one’s wild oats had awful results. People who acquire the habit of having sex with different partners often become incapable of normal family life and develop serious psychological problems. Especially women, but men too. Besides it weakens people’s character, while the habit of restraining sexual urges makes people stronger, more disciplined. It is not a theory, it is obvious reality.
I am sick and tired of a society wanting to set my goals, and specifically of people who think other people’s private life is their business. I am aware everybody sees the collective of other people’s choices shaping their environment and don’t like any deviation from whatever standard they think should be followed. Well, tough luck.
Marriage is sort of an ideal and creates stability as a cultural institution, but has human nature set against it. I am not for a return to barbaric punishments for failures, but the way we’re going about it now is also not right. When a contract is broken, there needs to be a way out without being a slave forever. There would be a ton of details to talk about but that’s far beyond the scope of a comment. And utterly futile, too, as authority does its thing regardless. So we will continue to fail the standard and live with it.
Lastly, this thing called original sin. The mere idea of a belief system which says some god made us this way and at the same time we ourselves are guilty of the flaws built in is beyond absurd. Everybody is guilty of their own bad decisions, but not of the motivations which come from the depths of evolution. We learn that following every whim can have bad consequences, and education is there for letting us know beforehand. That’s it.
Moon Harsh Mistress
-update your self with the New Testament: Read John 4 on the protection and teaching of Yeshua on how to approach adultery- he challenged the crowd wanting to kill her to throw the first stone if they weren’t sinners – so one did as no one could!
As I replied elsewhere I find Bible arguments and quoting Bible verses tedious.
One can find a verse to justify anything that they wish and often both sides of the same argument.
The point I made was that promiscuity is bad for society, and adultery is downright destructive. Islamic societies have developed a draconian way of addressing this, but I don’t think the purpose of discouraging sexual immorality, or in the case of adultery, breach of contract, is a bad one. We might choose to quibble over the methods, but I don’t think anyone who thinks rationally about the root of the rampant decay and depravity found in every western nation could argue that allowing the uncontrolled sexual emancipation of women to continue is a good thing for western civilization.
There needs to be a balance of interests, a mutual understanding which makes a lifelong contract meaningful at all. Many people who demand faithfulness are at the same time not overly motivated, or conscious at all, to maintain being a satisfying experience for their partner. Outright starvation which drives much of infidelity is equally bad as the thing itself, if one doesn’t have a choice. Islam has a solution for that, too…
The Fifth Column in action.
It is Anjem Choudary who proclaimed, “We are a fifth column”.
This is how laws and culture are undermined.
The imam is wrong to say, at the very beginning, that “in the Koran” the punishment for adultery is to be stoned to death. This is not in the Koran. One of the companions of the prophet lamented that the verse of stoning was no longer in the Koran.
Can’t wait until this Islamic [micturate] artist is arrested. But easier to arrest whiteys for posting videos of Christians being arrested..
Honestly, I could think of more than a few women (and men) in this country that could use a good stoning. Pelosi, AOC, Harris, almost every Biden. McConnell, Pence, Swallowswell. I’d settle for a hanging, or even a good lashing and life sentence. Sadly, I think they’ll get none of the above.
Let he who is without sin cast the first stone. John 8:7
Withhold not correction from the child: for if thou beatest him with the rod, he shall not die.
Thou shalt beat him with the rod, and shalt deliver his soul from hell. Proverbs 23:13-14
Truthfully I find quoting Bible verses tedious. One can find a verse for every side of an argument.
Brits endured considerable pain and suffering throughout the 20th century. And this is their payout. Won’t be long until Westminster Abbey is converted to a mosque and Buckingham Palace becomes home of an emir.
“One can find a verse to justify anything that they wish and often both sides of the same argument.”
This is simply not true. The Bible is consistent; misinterpretation and failing to read in context or time, and failing to understand WHO a particular passage is to or about, may cause some to misunderstand, but if one will let the Scripture explain itself, it will. Period.