Nikoletta Incze is a researcher for the Hungarian office of the Center for the Study of Political Islam. In the following appearance on Hungarian TV, Ms. Incze discusses the history of Islam, and especially the significance of Islamic law — which is the political side of Islam, comprising well over half of the text of the Islamic scriptures.
Many thanks to CrossWare for the translation, and to Vlad Tepes for the subtitling:
Video transcript:
| 0:00 | Year by year more and more people celebrate Ramadan here in Europe, | |
| 0:04 | when the Mohammedans remember that Allah proclaimed | |
| 0:08 | his will via the prophet Mohammed. 44 million Mohammedans live | |
| 0:12 | in Europe and freely practice their religion. The question | |
| 0:16 | is whether Christians can do the same in the Middle East? | |
| 0:20 | Nikoletta Incze, from the Center for the Study of Political Islam. | |
| 0:24 | Good morning. — I was thinking, 19 million Muslims… In Birmingham, we could see | |
| 0:28 | There were [only] 140 thousand in the park, | |
| 0:32 | and I was thinking, which Islamic country has that many Christians in it, | |
| 0:36 | and whether they could do the same? —That is an interesting question. If we look at | |
| 0:40 | the history of Islam, and look at the last 1,400 years, | |
| 0:44 | because we’re talking about this religion from the 7th century, where | |
| 0:48 | the prophet Mohammed was the central figure and Allah | |
| 0:52 | gave proclamations to him through the Quran in the 7th century, | |
| 0:56 | that was the basis of what we call Islam today. | |
| 1:00 | By the way — right up until today they still refer the very same books | |
| 1:04 | when one examines the everyday workings of Islam. | |
| 1:08 | We can see, if we examine those areas where Islam became dominant, like Egypt, | |
| 1:12 | Turkey or Syria, those countries were Christian before they were Islamic. | |
| 1:16 | Not many people know: Pakistan was Hindu; | |
| 1:20 | Afghanistan was Buddhist and Zoroastrian. | |
| 1:24 | I usually refer to a Harvard study. I would like to say | |
| 1:28 | a couple of additional words about it, because a lot of misunderstanding comes from it. | |
| 1:32 | [Peter D.] Beaulieu was the person who used a mathematical formula | |
| 1:36 | for this historical pattern, and examined | |
| 1:40 | how these societies become saturated | |
| 1:44 | by Muslims and the ideology of Islam, | |
| 1:48 | and he came to the conclusion that these processes | |
| 1:52 | usually take hundreds of years — some countries takes even 300-400 years — | |
| 1:56 | but there is a specific point [of no return], which is usually around 16%. | |
| 2:00 | If that large a proportion of the society becomes Muslim, the process becomes irreversible. | |
| 2:04 | Then the rest of the change usually occurs over a period of 100-150 years, on average, | |
| 2:08 | in these countries. So if we look at this principle — | |
| 2:12 | we also studied this question, and see that | |
| 2:16 | in history, the process of the spread of Islam | |
| 2:20 | normally met with resistance, because in this ideology | |
| 2:24 | conquest and dominance are encoded at an elementary level, | |
| 2:28 | which is all about the supremacy of Islam. Now in Europe, | |
| 2:32 | today, this process is happening very differently, because there is | |
| 2:36 | NO RESISTANCE. In the name of tolerance and acceptance | |
| 2:40 | Islam is treated as equal with other religions, and it is not recognized | |
| 2:44 | that there are political aspects to Islam. —But how far can the equal treatment go? | |
| 2:48 | Where is the limit? If I am a German citizen, | |
| 2:52 | and steal an apple from the store, or God forbid something more valuable, | |
| 2:56 | I could be punished severely. But when they use | |
| 3:00 | Sharia law — which the authorities do not even know about, or if they know, | |
| 3:04 | they do not care, because they do not know how to handle it — | |
| 3:08 | what kind of equality could we talk about, or is it even possible to talk about such things? | |
| 3:12 | It’s very interesting to look at what happens on the other side. For example, | |
| 3:16 | in the 7th-9th centuries a pact emerged, which we call the Pact of Umar, | |
| 3:20 | which was about the relationship between Christians and Muslims. | |
| 3:24 | Christians, Jews and other religions, or as they are called, Dhimmis, the second-class citizens, | |
| 3:28 | as they called them in Islamic societies. | |
| 3:32 | These rules regulated their lives in the Islam society. And we can see | |
| 3:36 | that what emerged as basic principles in the Pact became | |
| 3:40 | the legal elements of Sharia law in later centuries. | |
| 3:44 | We can see various parts of it: for example, | |
| 3:48 | crosses cannot be left on the churches; they must be taken down. | |
| 3:52 | It was forbidden to have an Easter procession, | |
| 3:56 | or any other mass event. Church bells must be quiet or inaudible. | |
| 4:00 | The lowest mosque in the city had | |
| 4:04 | to be taller than the tallest church. | |
| 4:08 | We can see that different clothing was required for | |
| 4:12 | dhimmis. For example, the color yellow was first associated with the Jews; | |
| 4:16 | they had to wear a belt to differentiate them from the Muslims. | |
| 4:20 | Every regulation and law that was created under the Pact of Umar was | |
| 4:24 | based on the fundamental principle, which was contained in | |
| 4:28 | the Quran and Mohammed’s Sura and the Hadith, | |
| 4:32 | that a Muslim is never the equal of an unbeliever. | |
| 4:36 | And if we examine the process of Islamization, we must | |
| 4:40 | understand that we should not imagine an organizational structure | |
| 4:44 | like that found in Christianity with the Church, even inside the Islamic State, | |
| 4:48 | which is not a good example of this [organizational structure], because the “lone wolf” perps | |
| 4:52 | show clearly — despite the fact that ISIS accepts that the terrorist was “their soldier” — | |
| 4:56 | that they never even had any contact with the Islamic State. Now the question emerges: | |
| 5:00 | Why is it that isolated individuals are doing the same thing — | |
| 5:04 | stating that they follow an Islamic call — without any organizing force | |
| 5:08 | connecting them with an institutional structure? The answer is | |
| 5:12 | that the behavior is already encoded in the ideology. | |
| 5:16 | That system, that idea fuels the process | |
| 5:20 | we call Islamization. That is what we see from everyday Muslims also; | |
| 5:24 | they almost instinctively demand different clothing standards | |
| 5:28 | — the burkini is one example of that issue, or the burka — | |
| 5:32 | and many other things, which they insist are a religious | |
| 5:36 | experience, but behind them there has always been a political issue, | |
| 5:40 | leading to Islamization. — Thank you very much. | |
| 5:44 | You’re welcome. |
This comment is from Europe.
A large part of Hungary was conquered by Islam in the past. For three centuries these unluckyHungarian had to endure Islamic domination. The muslim invaders were finally repulsed after the ” Gates of Vienna ” victory by king Jan Sobieski in 1683. Having been subjugated for so long gave the people of Hungary a long memory and a good understanding of what Islam really is. This explains Viktor Orban and the rest. But here in Western Europe we are dangerously naive. In spite of all the evidence we continue to believe Islam is a religion like the other faiths. It is NOT a religion. Islam is a murderous sect diguised as a religion to fool people, conquer the world and steal its riches. It has been doing so for 14 centuries.We don’t listen to lucid and courageous political leaders like Geert Wilders in the Netherlands and a few others. In France, where the sinister Macron rules, we have just learned through a new scandal that he had surrounded himself with a group of infiltrated Muslim bodyguards and other helpers , some of them with known links to Islamic hardliners.. In Britain the new Interior Minister and the mayor of London are both Muslims. Western Europe is on the brink of falling into the hands of Islam. The majority of people here seem unaware of the deadly danger for our civilisation. Only in Eastern Europe, with the countries of the ” Visegrad Four” ( Hungary, Poland and two others) is there a glimmer of hope.
As long as everyone has the World Cup to dicker over and lots of EU-approved food, why bother worrying about governance? Kind of like the Roman bread and circuses, no?
Ernst – Why does it have to be one thing or the other?
As far as I can see Islam is BOTH a religion and a political ideology. In its religious expression it ticks all the boxes for a cult despite its size:
http://www.icsahome.com/articles/characteristics
and in its political expression it is a totalitarian, supremacist ideology – predatory or parasitic according to circumstances.
It is the combination that makes it so effective. The political aspect achieves dominance over its neighbours but the religious aspect ensures its survival over generations. What genius to combine the two! If Alexander or Genghis Khan had tacked a religion onto their murderous rampages perhaps half the world would be speaking Greek or Mongolian now.
In our own time, Communism (or perhaps I should specify, Bolshevism) lasted seventy years and Nazism a dozen or so. The third great totalitarianism Islam, as we know, has lasted 1400 and appears to be increasing in strength rather than diminishing, due to its religious side, and of course benefiting from our current lack of belief in our own civilisation.
1, The speaker Nikoletta Incze says this:
“[Peter D.] Beaulieu was the person who used a mathematical formula for this historical pattern, and examined how these societies become saturated by Muslims and the ideology of Islam and he came to the conclusion that these processes usually take hundreds of years — some countries takes even 300-400 years — but there is a specific point [of no return], which is usually around 16%.”
2. Bill Warner writes of the Law of Islamic Saturation here to mean the slow process of the Islamisation of countries invaded by Islam (without using figures):
https://www.politicalislam.com/the-black-hole-of-history/
3. The Czech branch of CSPI writes of the Law of Diffusion of Innovation (16%) (is this the same 16% point of no return which Nikolletta Incze speaks of?) and the Influence of committed minorities (10%). I’m afraid the graphs and equations left me for dead but in the abstract the 10% figure is referred to as the point of no return.
4. This appears to be Peter D Beaulieu’s major work (unfortunately it has no “look inside” facility):
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Beyond-Secularism-Jihad-Triangular-Modernity/dp/0761858377/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1532675328&sr=1-1&keywords=peter+d+beaulieu
Does anyone know where a comprehensive account of the Law of Islamic Saturation can be found? It sounds like it could be important.