The New Kids on the Block

A degree of disorder or randomness in a system…

by Seneca III


“Most of the crimes which disturb the internal peace of society are produced by the restraints which the necessary, but unequal, laws of property have imposed on the appetites of mankind, by confining to a few possession of those objects that are coveted by many. Of all of our passions and appetites the love of power is the most imperious and unsociable nature, since the pride of one man requires the submission of the multitude. In the tumult of civil discord the laws of society lose their force, and their place is seldom supplied by those of humanity.

“The ardour of contention, the pride of victory, the despair of success, the memory of past injuries and the fear of future dangers all contribute to inflame the mind and to silence the voice of pity. From such motives almost every page of history has been stained with civil blood.”


From Gibbon’s The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire, Chapter Four, “The Challenge to the Old Regime”

A New Great Revolt Arises?

Gibbon recognised how clearly history demonstrates that the life spans of Cultures, Empires and even Civilisations are finite and cyclic, that all have an end and a beginning, an end and a beginning which are in actuality one and the same thing.

Hence it is intriguing to ponder if we are now living through such a time, a time when the Ancien Régime must fall before the new, a time when a fresher, younger generation steps forth after decades of tyranny and treachery and says, “Enough is enough, be done with it, for the future belongs to us and we shall seize it,” and thus this begets the question, “Is ‘Generation Identity’ going to be the instrument of these current changed times, or not?”

Generation Identity

Below are some abstracts from a somewhat less than impartial analysis of the movement by the New World Order drones of Wikipoop:

The identitarian movement is a European and North American white nationalist movement originating in France. The identitarians began as a youth movement deriving from the French Nouvelle Droite (New Right) Génération Identitaire…Although initially the youth wing of the anti-immigration and nativist Bloc Identitaire, it has taken on its own identity and is largely classified as a separate entity altogether…

…The movement is a part of the so-called counter-jihad movement, with many in it believing in the white genocide conspiracy theory. It also supports the concept of a “Europe of 100 flags”.

It has been considered white supremacist by civil-rights organizations, researchers of extremism, news organizations, and various governments. The movement has also been described as being a part of the global alt-right…

…In North America the Traditionalist Youth Network is modeled after the European Identitarian movement according to the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC) and the Anti-Defamation League (ADL). The Identity Europa movement also labels itself identitarian. The United States has seen a significant increase in people and organizations affiliated with the identitarian movement after the campaign and election of Donald Trump. Richard Spencer’s National Policy Institute is also a white nationalist movement based off the Identitarian movement.

Well, I am of the opinion that these accolades, particularly those from the uncorrupted, impartial academicians of the Southern Poverty Law Centre (cynical old me), means that these kids must be doing something, if not just about everything, right. But you, Dear Reader, must come to your own conclusions.

Hereunder you will find Generation Identity in its many online national incarnations, mostly in English translation if you log in from an English-speaking country, but in its respective national language if you log in from that particular country:

*   I can’t make out where or why these two overlap/intersect or conflict — perhaps one or both of them will tell us? But if it is a case of internecine conflict, which I hope it is not, I would point out that such is always a formula for failure.

And, for the benefit of these young people, I would add a few words of caution. It is said that all revolutions end up devouring their own children, and this may well prove to be a truism if one examines what is currently happening within and without the Marxist-Socialist-Islamofascist Ecumene. In human affairs, just as in physics, for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction, and that opposite reaction has been known to morph into the very thing it was reacting to. Both actions and reactions have consequences, and it would be wise of you children to take care not to become a collective Commodus if and when you have taken your future back into your own possession.



“He who observes the present time
Is likely to fear that soon,
If God does not provide his help,
This impatient nettle
Will very suddenly sting us,
Before it can be brought to justice.”

Henry le Despenser, Bishop of Norwich, c. 1341-1406, speaking of the Great Revolt of 1381

The prevailing situation that made England arise and initiate the Great Revolt of 1381, ‘The Peasants Revolt’, was very similar to what assails us all today. The very structure of society at that time was a flattish pyramid with a King at the peak and layers of acquisitive beneficiaries below all living well off the labours of the biomass of the common man. This pyramid was later well described in a rather nuanced, tongue-in-cheek way by that remarkable preacher and fearless critic of abuse of power, Thomas Brinton, Bishop of Rochester:


“The heads are the Kings, Princes and prelates; the eyes are wise judges and true councilors; the ears are clerics; the tongue good learned men; the right hand, soldiers ready to mount a defence**; the left hand, merchants and faithful artisans; the heart, citizens and burghers placed as if at the centre; the feet are farmers and labourers as if firmly supporting the entire body.”

Juliet Barker, England, arise! The People, the King and the Great Revolt of 1381, Chapter Two, “The State of the Nation”

…and the problem was that most of the heart and all of the feet were far from happy with this arrangement which eventuated in them violently rising up to cast off the jackboot of Church and State.

** [Today, for soldiers, read politicised (Thought) Police]

However, the Great Revolt fell at the last hurdle because of the drunken hubris of Wat Tyler and the treachery and duplicity of the Establishment of the day — those whose hands firmly grasp the levers of power do not easily change their ways.

[A very adequate 100-minute docudrama describing the Great Revolt and the draconian consequences of its failure may be found here.]

Finally, young people, should you choose to tread this troubled road know this: the future can belong to you because it is your birthright, but you must ruthlessly seize it for yourselves, for those who now hold it in their grasp will not go quietly into that good night. And, if you fail, the modern establishment will show you no more mercy than the King and his beneficiaries did for the peasants of those long-ago days. Do not fall into the trap of trying to negotiate with a defeated enemy, for on that road lies your defeat.

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…that can be halted then reversed and a new cycle commenced, but not without great difficulty and even greater sacrifice.


“…but such physical and spiritual evolutions are never easy to form or prosecute with certitude, for if they were they would be worthless; thus, nothing is ordained for such warriors on the winds of time other than that the rectitude of their actions will define both their corporeal and spiritual fates. Hence those who do elect to stand firm, their physical and metaphysical faces streaked with the blood, sweat and dust of the battle that is roiling about them, will need to possess a depth of courage and conviction that comes only to the truly observant, having been built upon an unassailable foundation of Faith and its accompanying determinants.”

From ‘Cycles, Cultural Entropy and Faith’, 20th June 2017

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  Seneca III, in a bloody cold, non-globally-warmed, non-cis-pronouned, non-safe-spaced Middle England on the last day of this the year of our Lord 2017 whilst wondering if the year 2018 will bring us to our epiphany.

For links to previous essays by Seneca III, see the Seneca III Archives.

26 thoughts on “The New Kids on the Block

  1. Disclaimer:

    I am an unashamed supporter and admirer of the Generation Identitaire – and lay no claim to even the slightest objectivity.

    Thank you so much for this article, Baron and Seneca III. I was just about to knock at GoV’s doors to ask if the Baron could perhaps publish this video from the leader of the Austrian “Identitaires”, Martin Sellner, as I’m banned (for the time being) from Twitter which I often use as a “distribution” device and I thought that this video deserves distribution:

    Martin Sellner’s car was burnt down yesterday by Antifa and this in the wake of YouTube closing down his chanel (for some weeks), PayPal and other such organisations banning him, his Bank closing down his bank account. And last year they burnt down his parents’ car.

    Here is the link where you can find this video.

    You might remember the action of French branch of “Les Identitaires”, where they went up onto the roof of a mosque under construction and displayed a banner protesting against the Islamisation of France. It was a totally peaceful protest (their actions are often spectacular – eg hanging banners from the Brandenburg Gate in Berlin, or from a building in Vienna, asking Erdogan to take his Turks back), but these young French Identitaires were just recently sentenced to a custodial PRISON sentence and some inordinate amount to pay to the Islamisers of France in “compensation”.

    Together with the German, Austrian, French, Italian branches they formed the “Defend Europe” last summer, when they literally stopped the people-smuggling NGO’s in the Mediterranean – having collected enough money to buy an old boat (from memory 80,000 Euros) – this undertaking was very successful.

    And to close, here is Martin Sellner describing, in english, “the War they (we) are fighting”:

    HAPPY NEW YEAR to The Baron and Dymphna and every contributor to GoV.
    Thank you for all the work and may the best of the past year be the worst you can expect for 2018.

    • May I say I closed my PayPal account when they booted and haven’t returned to it. If anyone requires PayPal, I either offer to send a check or forgo doing business with them.

      I also am a member of and check them daily, as a not-yet huge alternative to twitter.

      It makes sense that the defenders of the establishment become more vociferous and more violent against new ideas or movements. There is little doubt that under the present trends, the native populations of West Europe and North America will be displaced politically and physically. This means, any challenge to the displacement of the native stock will be seen as revolutionary and treated as such by advocates of the establishment, which includes antifa.

      An identity movement does not mean violence against those with a different identity, or even a flagrant injustice. It’s not too well known, but the religious Jews in Iran are far safer and far more protected than Jews in Sweden or France.

      An Identitarian movement may imply a shifting in political influence, away from the one-man, one-vote principle. Those who are non-productive or wards of the state, or even those who do not belong to a particular ethnic group, will not have their votes count as much as, say, white Europeans. This model worked well, economically and security-wise, in South Africa, Rhodesia, and Lebanon, before they lost their marbles and allowed the Palestinians in. The upside would be a richer, more secure society where visitors or guests could make money in security, but would not have much political participation.

      • so it looks like, in order to vote, I will need “certificate of whiteness”.

        but how will you measure whiteness of “white Europeans”?
        install racial checks bureaucracy?
        who will select staff for such body?
        how selectors will prove that they are white enough?

        • It’s funny. When you get into fine details of legalese, it’s a sign of civilization decay.

          It’s not difficult to separate people on the basis of self-identified groupings. One thing that comes to mind is the assignment of a certain proportion of votes to a certain group, and allow the group itself to make the selection of those voting for that group’s representatives. You might not have purity, but you’d have a functioning system, like Lebanon before the 1960s, which assigned a disproportionate control of the government to Christians. It worked out very well until the Christians lost their minds and allowed the Palestinians into the country.

          Actually, a greater objection, which you didn’t get to, is that any group holding political power will abuse it. The rich landowners and money lenders of the Roman Empire specifically wrote the laws to devastate debtors.

        • @AY
          You seem to reflect what the diabolisation of the Identitaires by the Media intended: dismiss them as racists.

          In my humble opinion: Neither patriotism, nor wishing to preserve as much as one can of one’s heritage, culture and traditions is Racism.

          As I see them, their main (even nearly exclusive, if PC laws would allow them to articulate it explicitely) motivation is to stop and reverse the ISLAMISATION of their own countries, of Europe.

          The 5 French Identitaires were recently sentenced to a custodial sentence and an excessively large fine for simply having, 5 years ago, organised a peaceful protest against the building of a mosque (more mosques than churches in France now). Their explicit demand of the government had been for a Referendum to decide if the French PEOPLE, who are far from majoritarily “white”, wanted the Islamisation of France.

          The “Identitaires” are young and have the largest part of their lives before them. If everyone follows the second worst Chancellor of Germany sheeplike (as they did last time) then it is not the “children” of the Identitaires who will live under Sharia, but their wives and themselves.

          In me, these youngsters evoke “Die Weisse Rose” rather than the Klu Klax Clan.

          • no problem Rita, but it is worth keeping in mind that “Patriotism” isn’t panacea; and may be controversial when one presses on “white” ans “indigenous” too hard.

            Humanism on the other hand, isn’t controversial.
            Maybe it is enough just to be humane, in order to reject and resist Sharia.

            on the other hand, you feel sort of a bit lost and/or belittled, when you are not Patriot.
            so I invented a placebo for myself – I am a patriot.. of common sense. 🙂

      • RonaldB: by closing your PayPal account you put your money where your mouth is – good for you, I have yet to do the same since PayPal seems to have become quite political.

        I subscribed to but now cannot find my subscription again, and remember having found the navigation of the site difficult. But then I’m the ultimate luddite.

        It would be great if, for example, GoV had a little button by which one could automatically “share” the posts to twitter.

  2. If my memory serves me well, Spengler (Decline of the West) predicts/calculates(?) that the next high culture will be born in Poland – Visegrad countries maybe?

  3. here is what they claim:
    “..We aim to preserve the ethnocultural identity of Europe..”

    several questions to the author:

    1) Hunns have invaded Europe in 5th CE.. are their descendants proper Europeans?

    2) Ottomans.. left countless cultural and genetic footprints in Balkans.. in Albania, for example.. same question.

    3) Jews.. known to be in Europe at least from Roman times but didn’t mix and were never recognized as true Europeans.. same question.

    4) Christianity.. originated in Middle East, are you sure it is indigenous European religion?

    5) If you look at any modern university, or science hub, you will see lot of students/stuff from China, South Korea, Japan, Taiwan, Singapore, India etc. These people are definitely not Europeans.
    Note – this is productive/creative class.
    So how do you “preserve the ethnocultural identity” in this case – will you deny them citizenship? introduce racial laws? segregation? deportations?

    some of these questions may seem too radical and beyond reasonable, – but who will interpret and judge?
    who has the right to decide on all that – “indigenous Europeans”?
    is there a definition of such thing?
    does it include a hereditary records, frenology expertise, haplogroup test?

    isn’t it better to stop dreaming and start treating reality with, well, realism.

    all that “Identitaire” hype will only bring ethnocultural dead end.. albeit everyone will get his own dead end. 🙂

    • One thing I have noticed from articles of high-IQ Ashkenazi Jews. They have a disproportionate number of nobel prize awards and positions of influence in commerce and banking. And yet, with the except of Einstein, and possibly a few others, Jews have not contributed to the really basic advances in science, commerce or government. How many basic concepts of, say, our system of government can you find in Jewish sources?

      This, to my mind, makes high-IQ Jews (and I’m of that stock myself) high-quality technicians, rather than basic contributors.

      Similarly, how many basic scientific advances have been made by Chinese or Japanese? I will admit here I’m not operating from actual knowledge, but to my memory, the East Asians have discovered a few particles, but are not, in general, pioneers in scientific development.

      My point is that there is actually a basis in reality for recognizing ethnicity and derivation in creating a government and society. The basis would not be ancient history, but current optimization of advancement, benefits and security.

      • on contribution of Jews to fundamental science.

        Jacobi, Minkowsky, von Neumann, Volterra, Courant, Kronecker, Hausdorff, Mandelbrot, Hadamard, Weil, Feigenbaum, Golub

        Boltzmann, Bohr, Bethe, Gamow, Born, Wiener, Landau, Feynman, Szillard, Pauli, Sagan, Michelson

        there are also music, literature, arts and cinema..
        and – Jews did it, actually, despite, put it mildly, many and systematic attempts of “ethnocultural” “optimization” by indigenous nations.

        if you play by the rules, honestly compete, contribute constructively to the vital national projects, to charity, you shouldn’t be rejected, – neither as indivdual nor as group.

        Britain didn’t reject such people – Herschel, Handel, Rossetti, Joseph Konrad, Rosalind Franklin, Max Born, Emeric Pressburger.. up to Mark Knopfler. 🙂

        there is one Chinese guy in my local (English) college of music, playing viola da gamba, he’s real virtuoso.
        biggest [sign] to ethno-cultural snobbery I ever seen.
        he’s not alone certanly.

        • I stand corrected on Jewish contributions to original breakthroughs in science.

          You kind of muddy the waters with “Herschel, Handel…” who were not of Jewish background. Your point is that immigrants may make a significant contribution to science or the arts, which I never disputed. Nor did I advocate that such immigration should never be allowed. I did say that consideration should be given to creating a class of residents without the right to political participation, which I stand by.

          At some point, a country has to decide if economic considerations, or cultural and nationhood considerations, should take first precedent. Would the Jewish emigres to the US during the World War II era have refused to come to the US if they or their families did not have the right to vote?

          One of the controversies of the last election was the question of protectionism. Trump proposed to protect American manufacturers from unfair competition. But, sometimes an international market is simply economically cheaper than a local market: so judging in strictly cost-per-unit, protectionism is often inferior to a free trade. But, judging in terms of quality-of-life, the scales could very well tip to some kind of protectionism.

          But, let me express gratitude to you for correction my notion of the Jewish original contributions. I didn’t know many of these people were Jewish background (many converted to Christianity), so again, I learned something new.

          • “.. You kind of muddy the waters with “Herschel, Handel…” who were not of Jewish background..”

            I meant immigrants in general.

            To earn citizenship in Canada I worked 3 years with work permit. In the UK – 6 years, same story.
            during this time, I wasn’t able to vote.
            I think this is fair but not more than that.

            what you advocate is race based caste system.
            that by itself is quite tricky, and a bit out of fashion.

            and as a result, many people with talent and ability will choose different place.. whereas, those who will agree to go somewhere just to become forever second class.. won’t be the best.

          • sorry I was inexact, Boltzmann wasn’t Jewish, my fault.
            it’s hard to find replacement but maybe Gabor, Teller, Gell-Mann, Stern, Wigner.. also names from handbooks.

          • To be clear, I do favor keeping the ethnic (genetic) identity of a country when allocating immigration slots. I grew up in Chicago, with Chinatown, Polish neighborhoods, Jewish sections, all of which I remember fondly. So, I can see allowing in a certain number of people who are different, particularly in cities. Cities are traditionally more liberal, diverse and universal than those in the country (flyover territory).
            Practical Idealism

            I’m purposely including a referent to Coudenhov-Kalergi, the architect of race-mixing philosophy followed by most European leaders. Kalergi was an evil genius: many of his ideas were insightful and penetrating, although the guy himself was a crank.

            I’m ok with the idea that a country may not get the best scientific talent if it doesn’t give them the right to vote. Scientific geniuses tend to gravitate to other scientific geniuses, so a Cambridge or a Stanford will draw scientific talent on a guest basis. Watson, co-dicoverer of the structure of DNA, was a guest research at Cambridge. I doubt if he had the right to vote.

            With Merkels follies, many Germans are now trying to take up residence in Hungary. My advice to the Hungarians would be to limit the number of German residents, even though the Germans could adapt to the culture.

            So, I guess I’m a bit of a racist. I think race should be taken into account and preserved. Cities are going to be centers of mixing and commerce anyway, which is in my opinion, a good thing. Notice the US had a bit of proportional representation in for form of the electoral college. The cities are vast centers of immigration and went overwhelmingly for Hillary. But, the electoral system prevented the numerical majority from overwhelming the countryside, which is exactly how the electoral college was designed to function.

            So, my ideas are not all that radical.

    • Just undo much of the population change since 1965 by forced deportations, self-deportations, ending birthright citizenship, etc, and limit immigration numbers, and within that, choose entrants to shift toward 1965. I seen not concerned that there is some Hun or whatever in Europe from way back.

      HOWEVER, immigration must be reduced to a trickle. For example, despite what white nationalists assert, Americans of English descent are not interchangeable with white Englishmen of today.

  4. In addition to all the other reasons that I am so glad of president Trump, I think it is so great that his way in the struggle is based on normality and common sense, and not on a new ideology or theoretical models. This is a thing that I thought was impossible, I was sure only through an ideological vision we could attack back and stop the forces that are andoing our culture and identity, and was scared of that ideological movements I expected to appear.
    America is so lucky to have president Trump, and he is a blessing for all the west world, that can be inspired and strengthen by him and his way.

    • Seneca’s analysis of the identitarian movements and his reference to Wat Tyler’s revolt reminded me of Europe’s much later uprisings of 1848, which sprang up like brush fires in major cities from Paris to Budapest, and were extinguished one-by-one because they were separate brush fires–and gave Metternich and company the excuse to re-impose “order.” Ominously, however, the Antifa movement does have a uniting philosophy–an underlying tendency to Marxism/anarchism.
      Which makes Nati’s last comment so much more poignant

  5. Is the pressure getting to them, or another way to seem reasonable from the most unreasonable ideology.
    Be ware of ‘mullahs’ bearing gifts.

    Considered the top religious cleric in the city of Qom, Hossein Noori Hamedani, on Saturday supported the popular protests against the high prices and high costs of living in the country………

    ………..He added: “People are demanding their legitimate rights because they suffer from high living costs and the difficulty of living, as well as the spread of unemployment,” calling on the government to work to reduce poverty and unemployment and avoid the anger of the people.

    “A lot of people have written to us about the loss of their money in financial institutions and some banks that have declared bankruptcy and have not been able to return their money. The government must pay these funds without delay”, Hamdani said.

    Is this a softening, or is it really a rebranding of some mullahs? by seeming to ease, and yet will still keep all central control, which will when they can, seek revenge.

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