Vincent Lapierre is an “extreme right” independent documentary maker in France. Last Tuesday I posted his report about the African culture-enrichers camped out on the street in front of the City Hall in Paris.
The French government recently passed a law forbidding religious garb in public schools, which is understood to specifically target the Islamic veil. In the following series of man-in-the-streets interviews, Vincent Lapierre asks people their opinions about whether the abaya should be banned in schools.
Many thanks to HeHa for the translation, and to Vlad Tepes and RAIR Foundation for the subtitling:
Video transcript:
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| 00:00 | There are always problems with Muslims, Muslims… | |
| 00:03 | Well, go ahead, say it, sir. —No, no, always. Always, something comes up, all the time. | |
| 00:07 | Well, say it. —No, I… I… Listen. | |
| 00:11 | I’m not saying anything at all, because there are always problems with Muslims in France. | |
| 00:15 | The end ! Hello everyone! Today, a controversial topic. Wearing abayas in school: | |
| 00:22 | are you for or against? I’m going to ask Parisians for their opinion. Follow me, let’s go. | |
| 00:25 | There are young girls who go to school with this dress. Is it better like that? | |
| 00:30 | Yeah, it’s better. Ah, you prefer it? Yeah, it’s better. That’s for Muslims. | |
| 00:34 | Yeah, it’s better like that. Yeah, it’s better like that because we are Muslims. | |
| 00:37 | Yeah, but in France, there is secularism, we don’t have… But there are many of them, | |
| 00:40 | there are so many Muslims. It’s… 80%, the Muslims. Oh yeah? | |
| 00:46 | In France, there are all… It’s not just Paris, everywhere. | |
| 00:50 | Paris, Montpellier, Toulouse, Lyon, all, all, all. A lot of Muslims? | |
| 00:54 | Yeah, even in Spain, Italy, Germany, all Muslims. | |
| 00:59 | I see many girls, they go out wearing that. | |
| 01:04 | I like girls wearing that a lot. Oh yeah? Yeah. I think that, in fact, we are in France, for me, | |
| 01:09 | I don’t mind abayas, but in public spaces, | |
| 01:13 | it bothers me a little because we are in a state where, | |
| 01:16 | in fact, there is secularism. | |
| 01:19 | Yeah. So that’s why. There shouldn’t be any sign of difference at school. | |
| 01:23 | And that’s a sign of difference. | |
| 01:26 | Religious. A religious difference. Yeah. | |
| 01:30 | Besides, whether it’s applied or not, I think it’s up to the school principal | |
| 01:34 | to judge that kind of thing. It’s delicate. | |
| 01:37 | It’s very delicate. It’s a very, very delicate subject, yeah. | |
| 01:42 | Yeah. Personally, I don’t care. | |
| 01:45 | But we are in France. There is a law. | |
| 01:48 | There are laws on secularism. We respect them or we don’t. | |
| 01:52 | Yeah. I’m not the one making the laws. | |
| 01:55 | The thing is, in France, at school, you’re not allowed to show ostentatious religious symbols. | |
| 02:00 | You’re not allowed to show… Yeah, you’re not allowed, that’s it. | |
| 02:04 | Because we’re in France, it’s not… So how do you do it? | |
| 02:07 | I don’t know, the state decides. The state, it’s not us. | |
| 02:12 | And recently, they decided that girls aren’t allowed to go to school with that, any more. | |
| 02:16 | But there are girls wearing that, I like that a lot. | |
| 02:19 | I see a lot of girls going to school wearing that. | |
| 02:24 | And I don’t know… We should ask Macron directly. | |
| 02:28 | [laughs] “Long live Antony Kamadji Algeria.” | |
| 02:32 | “Long live France, long live France, long live France, long live France, | |
| 02:36 | long live Macron.” He didn’t say “long live Algeria”. But that’s just a… | |
| 02:39 | a… a dress, that’s all. But at school? | |
| 02:42 | It’s just a dress. It’s not Muslim? | |
| 02:45 | No, it’s neither Muslim nor anything. | |
| 02:49 | It’s just a… a dress. | |
| 02:52 | They call it “abaya”, it’s the… | |
| 02:56 | It’s the style. Like that, it’s… it’s good, she’s well dressed. | |
| 03:01 | But at school? At school, yeah, it’s OK. | |
| 03:04 | It’s OK? Yeah. And recently, the Minister of National Education | |
| 03:08 | said he banned this kind of clothing at school. | |
| 03:11 | Why? Because it’s a religious sign, and in France, | |
| 03:14 | we’re not allowed to wear an ostentatious religious sign at school. | |
| 03:17 | Well, for me, it’s good like that. | |
| 03:21 | She’s well dressed. For you, is it a religious sign? —No. —No? | |
| 03:26 | For me… no. Instead of wearing a miniskirt, | |
| 03:31 | she can wear clothes like that, it’s good. | |
| 03:34 | Sir… Sir, you know… | |
| 03:37 | whenever there are elections, there are always problems with Muslims. | |
| 03:42 | But there won’t be any elections soon. Yeah, but they’re preparing them. | |
| 03:46 | All of this is preparation. They’re preparing the ground. | |
| 03:50 | For the next presidential elections? —Yeah, yeah, they’re preparing the ground. | |
| 03:53 | OK. We’re fed up, we’re fed up, it’s too much. | |
| 03:56 | We live in a country of freedom, freedom, equality, brotherhood. | |
| 04:00 | They mention us, Muslims, Muslims, the abayas, the kippas… | |
| 04:04 | It’s too much! Are you for or against… | |
| 04:08 | Against… against that at school? And why, ma’am, tell me. For | |
| 04:11 | religious reasons, I don’t think we should… | |
| 04:14 | No, listen, what is it? It’s a vox pop for YouTube. Yeah, yeah, | |
| 04:17 | but actually, I hate it. I think these people should integrate. | |
| 04:20 | That’s it. I think there’s a lack of integration, and… | |
| 04:23 | In their country, OK, but not here. | |
| 04:26 | Do you understand Muslims who feel particularly targeted, | |
| 04:30 | like the gentleman we just saw? —Yes, wait, I feel particularly targeted as a Christian. | |
| 04:34 | That’s it. At least we have all the opinions here. | |
| 04:38 | Those who don’t care, those who think it’s a false controversy, | |
| 04:41 | those who think it’s necessary, those who think it’s not necessary, | |
| 04:44 | that it should be forbidden… —But would you be for wearing the uniform at school? | |
| 04:47 | So everyone looks the same. That… | |
| 04:50 | I absolutely agree with that. 100%. | |
| 04:54 | It avoids all… That’s it. Because, actually, if I say that, it’s… | |
| 04:58 | With respect to inequalities. Yes, of course. | |
| 05:01 | That’s it. Because we won’t know who’s poor, who’s rich… | |
| 05:04 | That’s it. I am for uniforms, honestly, | |
| 05:07 | 100%. OK. It’s better. OK. | |
| 05:11 | That way, there’s no envy. Everyone looking the same. | |
| 05:16 | The abaya, at school, for… She’s very beautiful. | |
| 05:19 | It’s good? —It’s true. —Is that how women should be? —It’s a Muslim woman. | |
| 05:23 | Yes. It’s… Yes. It’s… In our religion, it’s said to be… | |
| 05:28 | Halal. Yes, it’s halal. Women don’t have to wear it. | |
| 05:32 | But, at school, the Minister of Education wants to forbid this kind of clothing. | |
| 05:36 | At school? No, it should not be forbidden. We, in Algeria, there’s no such a thing. It’s… | |
| 05:42 | Yes, no. OK, yes. In Algeria, France, it’s normal. Women with hijab, with no hijab. | |
| 05:48 | Yeah, in Algeria, it’s normal. It’s normal. But in France… There’s secularism. | |
| 05:52 | Yes, yes. We can’t show religious symbols at school. | |
| 05:56 | It’s like… Like they say, Islam… | |
| 05:59 | “Likoum dinoum” “Likoum dinoum” | |
| 06:02 | We have a religion that says that women should wear the hijab, the mask, | |
| 06:06 | the headscarf… I didn’t understand. | |
| 06:10 | I didn’t understand what you said. But I… | |
| 06:13 | I’m guessing, I’m guessing. It’s… The truth. It’s the truth? | |
| 06:17 | It’s halal. Halal. It’s haram. It’s neither haram nor halal. | |
| 06:21 | “Likoum dinoum” “Likoum dinoum” That’s halal. It’s halal. | |
| 06:25 | It’s very good, I mean… The… The face… The headscarf… | |
| 06:29 | That’s haram. Haram. Yeah, OK. God will guide us, God willing. | |
| 06:35 | I’m telling you, that’s not a religious dress. | |
| 06:38 | Neither is the headscarf; it is not a religious dress. The robe, in brackets, | |
| 06:43 | “the robe doesn’t make you a monk”. So, sir, | |
| 06:47 | you have to admit that many Muslim women wear this dress. | |
| 06:51 | Yes, it’s a dress… Women, for example, | |
| 06:55 | who come from the Gulf, women who come from the Gulf, | |
| 06:58 | dress practically like that. Yes. | |
| 07:01 | It’s their outfit. Women, they don’t like to show their curves. | |
| 07:05 | There are girls who don’t like to show their curves. | |
| 07:09 | They wear this dress because it’s wide | |
| 07:12 | and it hides their curves. Some wear it because they practice the religion, | |
| 07:17 | But, I’m telling you, there are many who are not practicing, | |
| 07:21 | who don’t pray, who don’t do the 400 rounds, | |
| 07:24 | but who wear this dress. The thing is, we need more women. | |
| 07:29 | But there are fewer women who will talk in front a camera. | |
| 07:32 | That’s really something I’ve experienced for years. | |
| 07:36 | Men talk more easily to the camera than women. | |
| 07:39 | Yet, I’d be interested in having the opinion of women. | |
| 07:42 | What do you think of this dress? Are you for or against it? —I’m for it. —At school? | |
| 07:47 | Yes. —At school, it wouldn’t bother you? —No, it wouldn’t bother me. —Oh, really? | |
| 07:51 | Yes, I’m Muslim and it wouldn’t bother me. —So, is this a Muslim dress? —Yes. —OK. | |
| 07:57 | Because the Minister of National Education just said he banned this clothing at school. | |
| 08:01 | Well… I wonder why he did that. | |
| 08:05 | Yet, it seems that France is a country of freedom. | |
| 08:09 | And for me, people are free to wear whatever they want. | |
| 08:12 | OK. Women who wear this dress are free to wear whatever they like? Yes. | |
| 08:17 | Are they allowed not to wear it the next day? Well, as for her, she wore it out of conviction. | |
| 08:22 | And because it’s her religion. | |
| 08:25 | It’s her religion. | |
| 08:28 | She’s convinced that it’s her clothing style. | |
| 08:32 | And I wonder why we shouldn’t accept it. | |
| 08:35 | If I wear a short skirt to go to school, | |
| 08:39 | it’s my clothing style. | |
| 08:42 | It’s her clothing style. So, for me, it’s not… | |
| 08:46 | I wonder why… Yet, France is a country of freedom. | |
| 08:49 | In principle, they should be more tolerant. The thing is, there have been religious wars in France. | |
| 08:54 | Which means that the French have enacted a law of secularism | |
| 08:57 | to prevent religious expression in schools, to avoid wars. | |
| 09:00 | OK, but will they also ban the wearing of the cross? I think it’s the cross. | |
| 09:06 | It’s also a sign? —Yes, if the cross is ostentatious, yes, the headmaster can say, | |
| 09:10 | “You must hide your cross, yes.” Well… | |
| 09:15 | —For us, no. —OK. —I’m Algerian. —OK. | |
| 09:19 | And in our country, everyone wears whatever they want. | |
| 09:22 | I don’t understand how a country like France | |
| 09:26 | forbids wearing a veil at school. —Honestly, I don’t know. —OK. | |
| 09:31 | Honestly. Because, well, I don’t know at all. I don’t know. Honestly. | |
| 09:35 | —OK. Goodbye. —Yes. I have my idea, but I… | |
| 09:38 | Ah. OK. She has her idea, but there you go. | |
| 09:42 | I have the feeling that those who are against it have more trouble expressing themselves. | |
| 09:46 | Those who are against… | |
| 09:49 | this dress at school tend to avoid the question. | |
| 09:52 | As if they were afraid of something. Yeah. What do you think about this dress? | |
| 09:57 | Should it be forbidden or not at school? I don’t see why. It’s very pretty. | |
| 10:02 | It’s very pretty, it’s… | |
| 10:05 | —It’s… —Elegant? It’s elegant. I don’t see why we should forbid it. | |
| 10:10 | Because some people see it as a religious sign. | |
| 10:13 | Well, it’s not necessarily written on it. | |
| 10:16 | There’s no pattern or… | |
| 10:19 | it can be worn as a dress. —Yeah. —Right? | |
| 10:23 | Because… | |
| 10:26 | some people think that many Muslim women wear it. | |
| 10:30 | But you know, the criticism is everywhere. | |
| 10:34 | Yeah. So for you, there’s no need to forbid it at school. It doesn’t break the law on secularism. | |
| 10:42 | What could harm secularism? | |
| 10:45 | Honestly. Well, the idea is that at school… | |
| 10:48 | Show the picture of the dress, sir. Look! | |
| 10:53 | Here’s the picture. Because the idea is that at school | |
| 10:56 | we don’t show religious symbols, it’s forbidden. It’s the law on secularism. | |
| 10:59 | Now, if someone does something wrong wearing this, I think that… | |
| 11:03 | we should… we should better… | |
| 11:06 | we had better… withdraw it, I think. | |
| 11:09 | Yeah? If it causes problems… | |
| 11:12 | for the… I don’t know how to say it… | |
| 11:15 | After all, those who run the government, | |
| 11:18 | know what’s good and what’s bad… | |
| 11:21 | So… in relation to that, I see that as a neutral attire, anyway. | |
| 11:26 | If we want to create an atmosphere or appease the tensions that exist | |
| 11:31 | between French people, | |
| 11:34 | between Muslim and non-Muslim French, we ought to give them freedom. | |
| 11:38 | And you’ll see, everything will be in order. | |
| 11:42 | Everything will work like on a wheel, like in England. | |
| 11:45 | We see policewomen wearing the veil. | |
| 11:48 | The veil, we can say that it’s a religious sign. | |
| 11:53 | To wear a veil. But the abaya has nothing to do with Islam! | |
| 11:57 | But if you say that Muslims should be left alone, —Yes. —What should they be left alone from? | |
| 12:01 | Because it’s not a religious dress, in your opinion? —Someone who wears a kippah… —Yeah. | |
| 12:06 | Is it a religious clothing or not? —It’s religious. | |
| 12:09 | And why don’t we say anything to the people who wear a kippah? | |
| 12:12 | At school, I think it’s forbidden, isn’t it? I don’t know! | |
| 12:15 | Ah, well, yes, I guess it is. —I don’t know, but we don’t do it. | |
| 12:19 | We don’t always talk about it on TV. We… all the time… I see on TV shows… | |
| 12:24 | that they talk about Islam, but there are no Muslims with them. | |
| 12:30 | If you talk about me, you invite me! You’re laughing! It’s the truth! | |
| 12:36 | I’m giving you the floor, look. —Yeah, you, for example! Small question. | |
| 12:42 | Do you think we should forbid this dress at school? —Yes. —Why? | |
| 12:46 | Because it’s not French culture, that. It’s not France. That’s all. | |
| 12:51 | So what is that is not France? It’s the culture… of Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia, | |
| 12:57 | Saudi Arabia, all the Muslim cultures. | |
| 13:00 | Which is not French culture. Yes, but you could say that France has changed, ma’am. | |
| 13:04 | It’s possible, but if France’s position doesn’t change, it’s because there’s a reason. | |
| 13:09 | We don’t want to lose our culture. You understand? | |
| 13:14 | In their country, people can do whatever they want. And here, it’s the same. | |
| 13:19 | We don’t agree with this kind of thing. | |
| 13:22 | Because it’s also about the submission of women, that. | |
| 13:25 | You know that. I won’t learn that. | |
| 13:28 | So, the women who wear it, do they say they’re free to wear it or not? | |
| 13:32 | Of course, with all the… religions behind it. The religious people. | |
| 13:38 | But, I have to tell you something. | |
| 13:41 | Some religious say that it’s not an Islamic attire. | |
| 13:45 | However, historians can show you, | |
| 13:48 | I am not educated enough on the matter, that in a certain surah, | |
| 13:52 | it’s written that it’s really the religion. | |
| 13:56 | Okay. Inform yourself. | |
| 13:59 | Not those who say it’s not religious. They don’t know the precepts of their own religion. | |
| 14:05 | There’s a surah that describes exactly what this Muslim culture is. | |
| 14:10 | It’s religious. Ah, but it’s not normal | |
| 14:14 | to forbid that. It’s Islam. Normally, we respect our religion. | |
| 14:18 | I’m a Muslim, and my wife wears a hijab. | |
| 14:21 | You see? It’s not normal that they do that. | |
| 14:25 | At school, right? Of course, at school. There’s nothing like that. | |
| 14:28 | Like, some Christians go home with their own clothing on, | |
| 14:31 | isn’t it true or not?, with their crazy hat. | |
| 14:35 | I don’t know, they go home, as usual. And we, Muslims, we don’t do that. Why? | |
| 14:39 | It’s never… What does that mean? | |
| 14:42 | Because there’s a law, called secularism. Secularism, that. | |
| 14:46 | Which is that we don’t show ostentatious religious symbols, especially at school. | |
| 14:50 | But… But… We don’t… Especially in England, | |
| 14:54 | it’s normal to go home like that. Why is there this thing only in France? | |
| 14:57 | It’s to avoid conflicts, actually. What conflicts? There’s nothing… | |
| 15:01 | What are conflicts? There are religions, like you… | |
| 15:05 | Are you a Muslim or not? —No. I’m an atheist. —You’re an atheist, | |
| 15:08 | I’m going to respect you. And I’m a Muslim. I respect you. We speak normally. | |
| 15:12 | We say something, we don’t say anything. We speak normally, we smile a little. | |
| 15:17 | We can drink a coffee, normally. That’s nothing, that’s Islam. | |
| 15:21 | “At the end, at the end, at the end, there’s what? There’s Allah, that’s all.” Is that true or not? | |
| 15:25 | “At the end.” Well, yes, we speak a little… We speak with the Qur’an. | |
| 15:29 | It’s true or not? We speak seriously. “At the end, there’s Allah.” | |
| 15:32 | There’s that. There’s that, there’s no… mini-skirt, | |
| 15:37 | Islam. Right? Do you really want to know what I think? | |
| 15:41 | Yes, go ahead, tell me. If the Minister of Education could rather focus | |
| 15:45 | on what’s good for the education of children, rather than the clothes they wear, | |
| 15:49 | we would go much further and we wouldn’t have this kind of questioning. | |
| 15:52 | You see? And if we could really teach children | |
| 15:56 | what life is, what respect, philosophy, and things like that are, | |
| 16:00 | we wouldn’t be discussing this. And we would have a world | |
| 16:03 | that would be much more pleasant and benevolent. | |
| 16:06 | Look, the abaya, at school. | |
| 16:11 | Yes. Are you for or against? I’m against. | |
| 16:14 | I’m against it from the moment we live in a secular country, | |
| 16:18 | where we’ve separated… the clergy and… | |
| 16:23 | And the state. And the state for a while now. Since I was a kid, | |
| 16:27 | I’ve heard that… even when I wore a… | |
| 16:30 | Well, I didn’t wear one, but when I had classmates | |
| 16:33 | who would wear a cross, we asked them to put it inside. | |
| 16:36 | Is that true? You saw that? —Yes, I saw that when I was a kid at school. | |
| 16:39 | And we explained it to them nicely, and it didn’t cause anyone any trouble. | |
| 16:42 | We asked the Jews to take off their kippah, to… you know, to not be with… | |
| 16:48 | And we didn’t have any problem with that. We grew up with that, in a very good way. | |
| 16:53 | And now, for a few years… it’s becoming a real problem. | |
| 16:57 | And we allow them everything, I don’t agree. Especially that it’s really about manipulation. | |
| 17:01 | It comes from Muslim Brotherhood, it’s about instrumentalizing all that. | |
| 17:05 | —Oh yes. —It’s been proven, it’s been said… —Yes. —Well, there were articles in the newspapers, | |
| 17:09 | I’m not making anything up… There’s a book about it, “Muslim Brotherhood and its networks, | |
| 17:12 | the report”, that I’m reading, and it’s very good, by the way. I recommend it to everyone. | |
| 17:15 | There you go, we know very well… —It’s a strategy, —there’s a strategy of Islamization. | |
| 17:19 | Yes, yes, yes. We know that. So… Yes, I’m against it, because it’s instrumentalization. | |
| 17:23 | Yes, but at the same time, they say it’s not Muslim clothing. Yes, but they repeat… | |
| 17:28 | very nicely what they put in their brains, what they have been hammered away with. | |
| 17:32 | Because those people are instrumentalized. It has nothing to do | |
| 17:35 | with the prohibition of clothing at school. —Oh, really? | |
| 17:38 | Yes. Because it has nothing to do with Islam, right? | |
| 17:41 | Yes. OK. Are you a Muslim, sir? | |
| 17:44 | Yes, I’m a Muslim. OK. | |
| 17:47 | And when you see a woman wearing that, you don’t recognize a Muslim woman? | |
| 17:50 | Some people wear that, but they’re not Muslims. OK. | |
| 17:54 | They’re rare? Yes, some people wear that to… | |
| 17:58 | to do bad things. —Oh, really? —Yes, of course. | |
| 18:01 | They do that to tarnish Muslims’ name. Some people wear that, so they’re considered Muslims. | |
| 18:06 | OK. Yes, because some people wear that… | |
| 18:09 | so people think they are Muslims, | |
| 18:12 | because the people who wear that, do some bad things. | |
| 18:15 | Yeah. —And so people can say “Muslims did that”. But… they’re not Muslims. | |
| 18:19 | OK. —Like the terrorists… —They’re educated, yeah. | |
| 18:22 | Yes, the terrorists wear that to do bad things, and then people say “it’s Muslims who did that”. | |
| 18:27 | Muslims, real Muslims can’t do that. —OK. —They can’t… | |
| 18:31 | They can’t kill someone. They can’t hurt someone, real Muslims. | |
| 18:35 | They say it’s a question of freedom, that they should be free to dress like that. | |
| 18:40 | —But, sir… —You see, so you say… Are women who dress like that free? | |
| 18:44 | In the countries where that happens, in Iran, as in Saudi Arabia, | |
| 18:49 | as in all those countries, do you think that the women there are free | |
| 18:53 | to wear veils, to cover themselves entirely? Do you think women have freedom over their own bodies? | |
| 18:58 | They don’t have the same situation regarding laws, | |
| 19:03 | regarding everything, they’re considered inferior in every field. | |
| 19:07 | Yes or no? Everyone knows that. | |
| 19:10 | Yes, yes. —Well, then… In fact, there are many French people who think | |
| 19:13 | that France isn’t an Islamic country. But who are those French people? | |
| 19:17 | There are… I don’t know who’s spreading this slander. It’s the journalists… | |
| 19:22 | There’s a Frenchman who said it’s forbidden, he went out, he made a flag, it’s forbidden. | |
| 19:26 | It’s not forbidden! There are only a few people, five, ten people, | |
| 19:30 | they talk about that, you see, they talk about that, | |
| 19:33 | they say all the French people, no, it’s not all the French people. My wife is French. | |
| 19:37 | She understood, she understood well, that’s normal. She wears a hijab, she’s… | |
| 19:42 | Thank God, brother. —She dresses like that? —Well, yes, she’s French, French. | |
| 19:46 | But I’m Algerian, 1000%, I’m Muslim, thank God. | |
| 19:50 | She accepted that, she did it all by herself, I didn’t tell her. | |
| 19:53 | Before, she was my girlfriend, she wasn’t like that. —OK. —She looked normal, with normal clothing. | |
| 19:57 | Then she understood, she saw me. While I was doing Ramadan, | |
| 20:01 | slowly, slowly, she did it too for one day, one day, two days, three days. | |
| 20:05 | Then, now, she does it for a month, all by herself. | |
| 20:08 | It’s not me who told her to do it, | |
| 20:11 | she saw Ramadan, how it works, people are happy, people wear the hijab, | |
| 20:16 | they go to the mosque, they pray, she saw my sister, she saw my mother, | |
| 20:20 | you see? She did it all by herself, she told me, | |
| 20:23 | “If you don’t buy me a jilaba like that,” I was shocked, I, personally, | |
| 20:27 | I was shocked. I said, “Why this jilaba? How are you going to wear a jilaba?” | |
| 20:31 | She told me, “I’m going to convert to Islam, I’m going to convert to Islam,” | |
| 20:35 | it’s not like she didn’t reflect about it. | |
| 20:38 | At the same time, we could say that people who aren’t Muslims, | |
| 20:41 | or Muslims, in this case, can wear wide dresses to hide their roundness, for example. | |
| 20:45 | I don’t forbid them from wearing wide dresses, | |
| 20:48 | but here, we say it’s just a wide dress, | |
| 20:51 | it’s not religious, but it’s all that revolves around this — It covers exactly what it should cover, | |
| 20:55 | and there’s the veil that goes with it. Even if, supposedly, she takes it off at the entrance. | |
| 20:59 | She’s still walking in the middle of the street, we don’t have that right in France. | |
| 21:03 | Yeah. At school. Yeah. Yeah. | |
| 21:07 | But at the same time, Pascal, we could say | |
| 21:11 | that there are millions of Muslims in France now, and that… | |
| 21:14 | Islam is a political religion. It’s a religion that is shown in the public space. | |
| 21:19 | Yes. So, I read the Qur’an, and it’s written in black and white on it. | |
| 21:22 | “Every Muslim living outside a Muslim country | |
| 21:26 | must behave in a way that doesn’t violate | |
| 21:29 | the morals and customs of this country.” | |
| 21:32 | Oh yeah, it’s written in black and white? —Yes, it’s written in the Qur’an. —Oh yeah? —Yes, yes. | |
| 21:36 | I read the Qur’an. —Are you for or against abaya at school? | |
| 21:39 | Of course I’m for it. —Why, tell me. —Because it’s a dress, quite simply. Why did you put | |
| 21:43 | an abaya with a veil, sir? Well, I didn’t find any without it, I googled “abaya without veil”, | |
| 21:47 | and I didn’t find any. Well, honestly, you go to any store, on that avenue, | |
| 21:50 | you’ll find abayas without a veil. —Yes! —That’s a false image, sir. | |
| 21:53 | No. An abaya worn. I couldn’t put something on a hanger. | |
| 21:57 | Well, yes! And yet, many Muslim women wear abayas. | |
| 22:01 | You can’t lie. —Yeah. —So it’s a religious dress, or not? —No. | |
| 22:05 | Okay. The abaya —How can I put it… | |
| 22:09 | It’s not the same thing as a pair of jeans. Who invented jeans? | |
| 22:13 | I have no idea. —Me neither. | |
| 22:16 | But the person who invented it certainly has a religion, | |
| 22:19 | it certainly has an origin, let’s put it that way. | |
| 22:24 | And yet, no one associates the jeans with anything. | |
| 22:27 | Yes, because it’s not a religious imperative. Well, it’s not… | |
| 22:31 | The abaya is not a religious imperative either —For Muslim women, I think they have to dress | |
| 22:34 | in a certain way. There are religious prescriptions. Religious prescriptions. | |
| 22:37 | It’s good, because you came to me, I’m a Muslim, I’m converted. —Okay. —That’s good. | |
| 22:41 | Okay. The religious prescription says to cover oneself. | |
| 22:44 | Okay. Okay, to cover, like this, the hair. | |
| 22:48 | Now, this… is a dress, simply. It’s the name of a dress. | |
| 22:52 | It’s like a trapeze dress, or something. It’s a simple dress. I’m not — | |
| 22:56 | I’m not against it, I’m not for it, I’m for everyone being allowed to wear whatever they want. | |
| 23:00 | Why would we allow girls to wear crop tops to school without a bra? Because it’s not | |
| 23:04 | a religious prescription. Well, yes, yes. That being said, it bothers some people, | |
| 23:09 | who give their point of view. —Yes. —And everyone says, | |
| 23:12 | “No, no, no, no, no, freedom!” Well, freedom is for that too. Freedom is for everyone. | |
| 23:16 | At school? —Yes. —In France? —Yes. | |
| 23:19 | No, no, that’s not good. Okay, why? Well, in my opinion, that’s not good. —Yes, but why? | |
| 23:25 | I don’t have the means to help, that’s not good. That’s for… that’s for… | |
| 23:29 | for… for Arabs. —Muslims? —Muslims, actually, sorry. | |
| 23:33 | Okay. Are you for or against this dress at school? | |
| 23:36 | Er… I’m for it. —Really? —Yeah. Because everyone | |
| 23:40 | should wear whatever they want. Okay, it doesn’t bother you? No. So, did you see any during | |
| 23:44 | your school years? No, no, no, I didn’t see any. Okay, but if you did, it wouldn’t bother you? | |
| 23:48 | No, not at all. Okay. Isn’t it a religious dress for you? Yes, yes, it’s a religious dress. | |
| 23:53 | But religious dresses are forbidden at school? Yes, yes, yes. | |
| 23:57 | But… | |
| 24:00 | I think this rule is a bit old-fashioned. I mean, | |
| 24:03 | I think it’s bad for no one, that everyone has the right to express themselves as they want, | |
| 24:07 | wear whatever they want. And you, what do you think? | |
| 24:10 | Now it’s me who will be playing the role of a journalist. —Come on. —And what do you think | |
| 24:15 | about a girl in a hijab at school? Well, I think that’s a religious sign. | |
| 24:19 | Yeah? And I think religious symbols are forbidden at school. | |
| 24:23 | Yeah? All religious symbols. So, I think that this dress | |
| 24:26 | should be forbidden at school. In my opinion. | |
| 24:29 | Yeah, you’re right. But it’s forbidden for all… | |
| 24:32 | all regions. It’s not like… I’m for wearing a uniform at school. | |
| 24:38 | I want everyone to be the same. That way, there won’t be any problems. | |
| 24:41 | Yeah, I agree with that. So there won’t be any problems. | |
| 24:46 | All the same. But wearing a hijab is nothing, brother. I swear. —Okay. —It’s nothing. | |
| 24:50 | Let’s go, we’re going to take the bus. —Thank you. —I’ll put it on TikTok. —Ah, okay! | |
| 24:54 | Well, yeah. —Have a good day! Good morning, Karjale! Pam pam pam pam, God is great! | |
| 24:59 | Long live Algeria! Long live your friends, your friends! | |
| 25:03 | Long live the people of the West! Long live Algeria! | |
| 25:06 | Ah! Religious people. Pressure causes an explosion. | |
| 25:12 | One day, it’s going to explode. France is being Islamized. | |
| 25:15 | And we don’t want that. No, I don’t have a stance. | |
| 25:18 | I am not forced to have a stance. They’re free. I’m a modern person. | |
| 25:22 | And democratic. Do you think politicians use you… | |
| 25:25 | Yes. —…to be re-elected? Yes, that’s it. | |
| 25:28 | But that’s not right! Muslim women are not submissive. You don’t know them! |
France is dead.
The same as Europe.
That whole area died many many years ago.
What it is now is not Europa.
It is a [lump of solid waste] world sheet hole, that pretends to have some link to its former self, when basically non exists.
And to be honest they deserve it.
We warned them, even pleaded with them not to commit national suicide.
And they ridiculed us, called us racists, homophobe, supremacists and everything else under the sun.
So, I can not say, they do not deserve it.
Because they do.
Goodbye Europa, it was not nice knowing you.
You where always a filthy people, but after you relished in it.
May death take you away once and for all.
To quote ole Yogi Berra, It ain’t over till it’s over.
While in my darkest moments I agree with you.
Before I die I want to see how those lefties get ripped from the positions and are confronted with the cold hard harsh reality of truth, that the muslims arent friendly, that they are murderers and all this “friendliness” was just deception.
I want to see the recognition of this in the eyes of Merkel, Roth, Macron etc just before the are sent screaming and wetting themselves to hell.
Then I can die happy.
But I hope for that the promise of “Apollo will return” by Guillaime Faye comes true.
Are you sure it’s limited to Europe, will the rest of the West survive?
We will survive, it is in our DNA to do so. You just ain’t going to get democracy for the fore seeable future, you will see hard, ruthless men take over because the people were dumbed down to a point they let civilization crumble and let feckless , corrupt and greedy men take over and called for tolerance of everything. and allowed our once homogeneous societies to be overrun with the bloody 3rd world. What you will get is Franco’s and Pinochet’s and military and the return of Kings.
The situation to which you refer has been brought about by leftists. “Europa” might be dead but leftism is alive and well and still spreading its poison.
So the Imam’s response could be referred to as a “Veiled Threat” correct?