23 thoughts on “Think Bosnia, Not Gettysburg”

1. Bosnia is probably pretty accurate as a starting point.

   I think in areas that are pretty rural and ethnically homogeneous there will not be much fighting or trouble. Matt Bracken has done multiple posts on Western Rifle Shooters regarding CW2 Cube and how this breaks down. This is his most recent post regarding this.

   https://westernrifleshooters.blogspot.com/2010/07/bracken-cw2-cube-mapping-meta-terrain.html

   I believe this to be very accurate, but additional factors that will influence the severity of this will be breakdowns in infrastructure (transport, fuel, electricity, water, internet, communication) caused by armed groups, factions, and active fighting preventing or destroying these infrastructure pieces, thus vastly increasing the numbers of deaths from starvation, lack of heat, clean water, necessary medications, etc. The genocide in Rwanda and waves of starvation in Ethiopia are also good models for what we face were fighting to break out here and the infrastructure breaks down.

   • Absolutely correct. Tragically so.
     Thanks for posting the original CW2 Cube link.

2. I’ll leave the form such a conflagration would likely take to guys like Bracken, but I suspect it’ll be dependent on whether the spark (and context) is more akin to a John Brown (i.e., a court-sanctioned death as punishment) or a Franz Ferdinand (i.e., an assassination) event.

   The point being that when two civilizations—each viewing the other as the enemy—occupy the same plot of land, one ultimately takes and the other gives. And it feels like that exchange is imminent.

   • Agreed.
     I think the states will fragment first, the federal apparatus will be incompetent and ineffective, and new unions will form.
     The federal government is completely useless at this point – even when it comes to destroying the country. They can’t figure out if they need to stand or sit to [micturate]. How will they ‘crush an SEC insurgency’? They won’t. They will wail and wimper snd cry, throw the most glorious temper tantrum the cereal aisle ever saw, but Mommy isn’t going to be buying any golden grahams. Jethro and the good ol boys will make sure their part of the country oprates as if its 1776. My power grid will work. The towers connecting mine to yours? Not so much. Surely your side has linemen and engineers to fix that? Whoops.
     Look, we see this in every city today, it will merely be a fractal, like everything. Look at the differences from ex-urbs, to sub-urbs, to ubrs (urban). Now stretch that nationally. If you’re between VA and Maine, GTFO, like now. Left coast is already gone, they’re too stoned to know it. South will be taken over by cartels. Now you will presently understand why they’re filling minneapolis with niggers and muzzies…

   • Only for so long, then the giver starts shooting….

3. Failing states and empires can devolve along a number of lines. For every region like the Balkans of the 1990s which broke apart into a multi-sided civil war, there is a nation which remains more-or-less intact, but which deteriorates gradually or sometimes not so gradually.

   Political scientists and historians speak of “hollow states,” ones in which the visible apparatus of civic government appears to be intact – i.e., courts, legislatures, executive branch or national leader, etc. – but which is actually only a facade or front of those things. A Potemkin Village, if you like.

   One feature of such states is that they are run wholly or in part by entities other than the state or national government itself. These fourth-generation entities or “non-state actors” as they are called – range from narcotics cartels in Mexico to Afghan tribes in the hinterlands of that nation, to jihad-terror groups in many Middle Eastern and African nations.

   In Mexico, the cartels have become so powerful and well-armed in places that the Policia Federal – the national police of Mexico – cannot engage them successfully. Corruption of law-enforcement agencies is a problem, to be sure, but it is also simply that the police there find themselves out-gunned and out-manned by the cartels. In some places, Mexican citizens themselves have had to organize what amount to militias to counter the cartels’ power and control. Otherwise, the only force capable of meeting them on something like equal terms is the Mexican Army.

   The situation in the present-day U.S. bears close observation for trends suggesting that this country is headed in the same direction. For quite some time now, the (U.S.) federal government has been remarkably indifferent to the porous border between the United States and Mexico,but under the Biden regime, this has been taken to new levels – for all intents and purposes, the border no longer exists over vast stretches of the borderland.

   This is an indicator of a failing state, a state being hollowed-out. There are others; this isn’t the only one.

   In the worst areas of some large U.S. cities, paramedic/ambulance calls are no longer answered without heavily-armed police escorts. In the projects on the South and West Sides of Chicago, if the paramedics went in without an armed escort they were likely to come under sniper fire from the high-rise tenements therein. That was only a few years ago. This, too, is another symptom or sign of a failing state. Wait until the police cease answering calls at all. What little remains of “public order” will disappear.

   The newest wrinkle is flash-mobs. The “Magnificent Mile” shopping district in Chicago, once famous as one of the crown jewels of the city, is now under assault by gangs of youths (usually minority youths) who, coordinating their actions via cell phone and social media, “hit” a specific retail business with as many as 15-20 individuals at a time, who flood into the store, smash-and-grab as much loot as they can, and then flee long before the police get there. High-end clothing retailers, electronics stores, jewelry places, you name it – they get hit. The Mayor’s Office yawns and responds with platitudes…. and so it goes, as Chicago turns into Mogadishu.

   People back in the old days, who weren’t that long off of the hardscrabble frontier and the hazards of life thereupon, knew that the line between civilization and barbarism was thin. That lesson, it seems, is going to be relearned by some unfortunate souls in that most-harsh of school-houses – reality.

   • The hollowing out of federal power is already well advanced.

     I remember back in the 90s and early 2000s when the movement to decriminalize then legalize marijuana at the state level really took hold. The feds always threatened to roll it back and legally still have the power to do so but that ship has long sailed. The same thing is happening with the 2nd amendment where there are vast swathes of states and entire states that barely tolerate federal enforcement of its gun laws. The real reason why the feds don’t ban AR-15s is because they’ve become so ubiquitous that on a practical level it’s impossible, and any move to do so would force statehouses to crap or get off the pot with regards to completely supporting gun confiscation or actively opposing federal confiscation efforts.

     Another level I see this playing out is the ability of the federal government to make war. For all their talk and bluster when it comes to China and Taiwan, the emperor is truly naked. There’s no way that a draft or mass conscription of any kind is coming back. Culturally, Americans have no stomach for that kind of thing, or forcing teenagers into the military. We are as far separated culturally from the generation that fought WWII as we are from any of our potential adversaries in China or Russia. But the human capital is only part of the ability to wage war. Financially, the government is running on fumes. And when we can’t even supply Ukraine with enough artillery shells and pieces to match a tenth of what the Russians are using then one can see that American military might is just a paper tiger.

     All these things are symptoms of a much bigger problem in my opinion, that our society and culture is irretrievably broken. The clock cannot be turned back to 1900, when culturally we were at our zenith in my opinion, or the 1950s when we were at the height of our power, wealth, and influence globally and at home. Recreating those eras can’t be done without a massive shedding of blood and a devolution of technological ability through which the survivors would be forced to adopt subsistence methods of living out of necessity. That wouldn’t necessarily translate into a returning of those era’s morality or cultural achievements, which were at their height instead of the result of catastrophic events.

     • “All these things are symptoms of a much bigger problem in my opinion, that our society and culture is irretrievably broken. The clock cannot be turned back to 1900, when culturally we were at our zenith in my opinion, or the 1950s when we were at the height of our power, wealth, and influence globally and at home. Recreating those eras can’t be done without a massive shedding of blood and a devolution of technological ability through which the survivors would be forced to adopt subsistence methods of living out of necessity.”

       I think it’s time to reboot the United States back to 21 November 1963. While not perfect, the United States was a safer, freer, cleaner and more productive place for law-abiding Americans citizens to live and work. The “Great Society” has been a failure, resulting in increased violence, regulation, filth and loss of productivity. Will she go without a fight. No. But, for the sake of us all, I think it’s time.

     • Your analysis is right on the mark, it looks like to me….

       If you’ve ever wondered what living in a decaying, ruined nation and in an empire in decline looks like and feels like, welcome to the party!

   • Your comment should be submitted as an essay, perhaps expanded and tweaked just a bit for publication. The content stands on its own as-is, IMHO.

4. https://www.nordfront.se/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/mangkultur-460×212.jpg

   A Swedish scoolclass

   • Sweden has already fallen and is now part of the emerging caliphate.
     Demography is indeed destiny and the future really does belong to those who show up. Whatever else one may say about them, the believers do seem to do that, do they not?

     What the now-deceased Colonel Qaddafi prophesied years ago now seems to be coming to pass, namely, that the Muslims will not have to fire a shot to conquer Old Europe, they will do it using the wombs of their women.

     • Increasingly they’ll do it using the wombs of European women, willing or not…

       It will be interesting, in the sense of watching a horrific auto accident, what will happen once Swedes are a minority in the country they voluntarily ceded.

       The thing with the invaders is that they aren’t a monolithic bloc and even though many of them are muslim, many are also African, and not even from the same countries there. So, once they gain demographic and political supremacy over Swedes, I expect serious infighting to begin. It’s already there to some extent in that the warfare is on an ethnic gang level for control of criminal activity within cities.

       This likely will play out across Europe as well, as Turks are politically powerful in several countries which they’ve invaded, and I don’t see them quietly agreeing to share power with Africans or Moroccans, Afghanis, etc. So Europe in creating the EU as one way to end the internecine conflicts that have plagued it for centuries, only planted the seeds of new tribal conflicts, only now they’ll be the outsiders in the lands they once owned.

5. Do commie-toddlers (aka “The [Democrat] Party” and their useful idiots) have any core values? Are their values really constantly “evolving”, or have they just been lying all along?

   The 11 Recommendations Of The Frankfurt School
   1. The creation of racism offences
   2. Continual change to create confusion
   3. The teaching of sex and homosexuality to children
   4. The undermining of schools’ and teachers’ authority
   5. Huge immigration to destroy identity
   6. The promotion of excessive drinking
   7. Emptying of churches
   8. An unreliable legal system with bias against victims of crime
   9. Dependency on the state or state benefits
   10. Control and dumbing down of media
   11. Encouraging the breakdown of the family

   “The Revolution won’t happen with guns, rather it will happen incrementally, year by year, generation by generation. We will gradually infiltrate their educational institutions and their political offices, transforming them slowly into Marxist entities as we move towards universal egalitarianism.” —Max Horkheimer, co-founder Frankfurt school

6. Re: “This likely will play out across Europe as well, as Turks are politically powerful in several countries which they’ve invaded, and I don’t see them quietly agreeing to share power with Africans or Moroccans, Afghanis, etc. So Europe in creating the EU as one way to end the internecine conflicts that have plagued it for centuries, only planted the seeds of new tribal conflicts, only now they’ll be the outsiders in the lands they once owned.”

   Your analysis is on the mark. The Turks and the Arabs have hated one another for centuries. As Sunnis, they are predominantly members of the same sect of Islam, but the Turks and Arabs are racially and culturally dissimilar, as well as in other ways. They have been allied with one another, but just as often have been rivals or even enemies. The manner in which Lawrence of Arabia convinced the Arabs to fight alongside Britain and against the Ottoman Turks is not the only example of that sort of thing in their history.

   Regarding the internecine rivalries sure to erupt between the different groups of enrichers now in Europe, perhaps that is by the design of the European globalists. It is also possible that the present situation came about more-or-less naturally… tough to say at this point.

   However, some years ago, then-Chancellor Angela Merkel and her French counterpart, President Emmanuel Macron of France, dined together and had a meeting. One of the items they discussed was the formation of a military force for the European Union,a force not subordinate to national leaders but under the control of the EU itself in Brussels.

   Forming such a force would likely face significant opposition from various quarters, so maybe they’ll engineer some sort of crisis to ease their way. Yes, it is the old Hegelian dialectic: Crisis > Reaction > Synthesis (solution). Engineer a crisis of some kind, provoke fear and disorder, and thereby a backlash (reaction), and then impose the synthesis (solution) you wanted all along.

   In other words, if civil unrest erupted across Europe, and public order was lost, and for some reason, the national military and police forces involved could not put an end to it, then the EU would have the opening people like Merkel and Macron were seeking.

   Dialectics are an old method, but since they work, they get used again and again.

   And if that turns out not to be the case, it will still be a continent set ablaze, as the various factions involved -including heritage Europeans themselves – fight it out for control.

   For the would-be controllers in the globalist movement, it really doesn’t matter whether the “crisis” is man-made or not. They are old hands and past masters at taking advantage of such circumstances. As Rahm Emmanuel said, “Never let a crisis go to waste…”

   • Perhaps internecine conflict breaking out between different groups of enrichers is by design, or perhaps this kind of thing was planned as a way to get to the goal of an independent European army. I tend towards the view that if these things come to pass it is serendipity rather than conscious plan. I just don’t believe that the elites are that clever or that united in their evil, like a cabal of Bond villians.

     Granted, the flock of morons that are the visible facade of European governance are just meat puppets for the real powers, but I just have a very difficult time believing that the real elites pulling the strings have plotted out every move, countermove, and eventuality, and are in complete control of their nefarious schemes.

     • Bingo! Give that man a cee-gar!

       These people’re hysterical women (and their genetically-male counterparts) and infantile Bolsheviks (aka commie-toddlers), not Bond villains. None of ’em!

       Admittedly, there ARE a handful of true-believer ideologues (whose political views, as myopic as they are, change with the hem and shoulder lines of New York fashion week), but I think most’re just “poleznyye idioty” (useful idiots)….who metamorphize into USELESS idiots as the ‘toddlers’ assume positions of power and dominance. Sadly, we—the adults; the non-hyphenated Americans and citizens of sovereign western states—have become the Brutals to these Eternals (see “Zardoz”), but lack the Zed to lead us back to safety….and sanity.

       Parenthetically, before images of Trump and his (never finished) “wall” arrive to save our chick peas, ask yourself this question: If/when Trump walls-off the border, what’s HIS plan for the ~40M~50M+ ILLEGALS he’s just locked INTO Obamerica? I’d lay money, and I’m talking a considerable sum here, that he’ll euphemistically amnesty ’em all…..just like the ‘toddlers. Neat-o!

       • “poleznyye idioty”

         Eto pravda.

         I also speak Russian.

         Walls work both ways.

         Probably not The Donald’s intent, but a tool can be used for good or evil equally well. I remember a movie from my youth, back when there were video rental stores with separate sections for VHS and BETA. A movie about a family living in the USSR which built a hot air balloon to escape from the Soviet Union. It was based upon a true story. Something that proponents of walls should keep in mind…

     • A plan to ride a tiger is not the same as riding the tiger.
       Sometimes the tiger turns around and eats the rider.

7. America has become the great satan.

8. I’d think it’s more like Waxhaws, Cowpens, and Kings Mountain. Battles between neighbors with no quarter.

9. If you can find a copy, read CIVIL WAR II by Thomas Chittum. It is a very prescient non-fiction treatment of what is happening now in this corrupt, syphilitic-thinking country.

10. @ The Moon is a Harsh Mistress

    Re: ” I tend towards the view that if these things come to pass it is serendipity rather than conscious plan. I just don’t believe that the elites are that clever or that united in their evil, like a cabal of Bond villians.”

    “Granted, the flock of morons that are the visible facade of European governance are just meat puppets for the real powers, but I just have a very difficult time believing that the real elites pulling the strings have plotted out every move, countermove, and eventuality, and are in complete control of their nefarious schemes.”

    Of course, you are entirely correct. It is a mistake to assume that every happening or event is being coordinated down to the finest detail. The military have a saying … “No plan survives contact with reality,” and it applies in all sorts of places, not just the military arena, per se.

    Again, to use the military as an example, we are discussing what they’d call “unity of command” and “unity of effort.” In other words, how organized are the plans of the globalist oligarchs and their associates? How well-planned and rehearsed are they? How well funded? Are they united in their efforts or is there is division and dissent within their ranks? And so on.

    Undoubtedly, you are also familiar with the catch-phrase: “Murphy gets a vote,” which is taken to mean that no matter how meticulously one plans, something or someone – even just random chance – always throws sand into the proverbial gears, and throws things off course.

    I would argue, however, that just as it is a mistake to believe that everything is scripted, organized and pre-planned, the opposite applies: Don’t make the error of thinking that all of what is happening around us is taking place randomly. Because it isn’t, and we have plenty of evidence of that fact already.

    Clearly, there is a middle ground someplace which accurately describes what is in front of us, somewhere between those two extremes.

    Not to sound flippant, but it seems to me that a lot of stuff is being tried – just to see what works. Throw it against the wall, see what sticks.

    I agree with your overall point, though, and would add that the world is too big, too complex and too unpredictable for anyone to control it, no matter how powerful and resourceful that individual or group may be.

    There are eight billion humans on earth, and each of those people has individual ideas about what to do and when.

    Complexity theory is very clear on this subject. Certain systems are simply too big and too complex to be controlled.

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