“You Will See That Russia Can’t Lose”

Pyotr Tolstoy is a Russian politician and media figure, and the Deputy Chairman of the State Duma. He speaks French, and in the following video is interviewed on French TV. His questioners are uniformly hostile to Russia, but his answers to them are very interesting indeed.

Many thanks to MissPiggy for the translation, and to Vlad Tepes and RAIR Foundation for the subtitling:

Video transcript:

00:00   Good evening, Pyotr Tolstoy. Thank you for being with us.
00:04   I hope you can hear us. I hope you can hear. You are the tenth Speaker
00:08   of the Duma. The lower house of Russian parliament. Thank you being with us live,
00:12   so late. I know it’s late for you, being two hours ahead of us in Moscow.
00:16   You can hear, because you are reacting in the control screen. You heard
00:20   what was said by our panel here just now, but let me ask you once again. Why?
00:24   Why has your country sent 70 missiles there today?
00:28   According to the Ukrainians, targeting power stations, maternity clinics and
00:32   buildings in Kiev. What is your goal?
00:37   Our goal is victory. It’s obvious, and in my opinion,
00:41   I disagree with the analysis that was made during your discussion
00:46   with the panel on set. Let’s not forget the NATO bombing of the former Yugoslavia.
00:53   Or the bombing of Iraq. That’s completely normal. Those are legitimate targets.
00:58   Russia is not targeting the civil population.
01:02   It is targeting the Ukrainian infrastructure. The Ukrainian infrastructure
01:06   will be demolished and Ukraine will be sent back to the 18th century.
01:11   I don’t agree with the statements that Russia hasn’t been successful
01:15   on the ground, on the battlefield or that we don’t have missiles. Don’t worry.
01:20   Our problem is that we don’t want to target civilians.
01:25   If that wasn’t the case, on the battlefield, we could just flatten kilometers of terrain
01:31   with the missiles that we have plenty of. —But Pyotr Tolstoy, today proves again
01:35   that you are in fact, targeting civilians. The maternity clinic, the two-day-old baby
01:41   who died in the Zaporizhia region, how is that a military objective?
01:45   Listen, in war there will always be victims,
01:49   but this is hypocrisy on your part. Now you mention the baby in Zaporizhia,
01:55   but for the last eight years you didn’t care that babies died in Donetsk.
02:00   There have been over 200 babies that died due to Ukrainian attacks
02:06   on the Donetsk population during the civil war in Ukraine.
02:10   That doesn’t count for you. That’s really strange, and not honest at all or
02:14   objective reporting for your viewers. —But it is your country that is bombarding
02:20   Ukraine today and the last few months. Just last week, your country
02:24   was involved in the incident in Poland, when missiles fell on the Polish side.
02:28   Last week it was confirmed that there was a series of bombardments.
02:32   In particular, of infrastructure that is used to supply city populations.
02:37   Listen, all the bombardments carried out in the Ukraine today targeted
02:43   the energy infrastructure of Ukraine. Its aim is to stop the movement
02:50   of the Ukrainian army. In addition to that, the longer you help Ukraine,
02:55   the longer the war will last. It’s that simple. You will see that Russia can’t lose
03:02   this war, because nuclear powers don’t lose wars, as you are aware.
03:10   Therefore, the quicker we transition out of the period of demolition
03:15   of Ukraine’s infrastructure to the negotiation stage — the better. Perhaps not with
03:20   the Ukrainians, but with those making the decisions on their part.
03:24   It’s not the European Union either. —Hold on, Pyotr Tolstoy, you said…
03:29   Until we arrive at the negotiation stage, more or less, there will be
03:33   casualties. —When you say a nuclear power can’t lose a war, when you
03:37   say a nuclear power cannot lose a war, is that a threat to use nuclear weapons
03:43   if things are going badly for you in the Ukraine? —Not at all. Not at all.
03:47   It’s not a threat. We don’t want to use nuclear weapons like the Allied powers did
03:52   during their bombardment of the former Yugoslavia in 1999.
03:57   Uranium was used in the missiles that NATO bombarded Serbia territory with,
04:04   and since then we have had hundreds of thousands of Serbs who become sick from it.
04:10   No one says that on the TV platforms, because it doesn’t look good
04:14   for the West, who project the image of being very good and of being humanists.
04:20   Excuse me, Pyotr Tolstoy, I’ll take your word for it this evening. It’s 11pm.
04:26   So would you like to take a moment to talk about what is happening in the Donbas?
04:30   That’s next to Donetsk. —Yes. —It has been months since our channel
04:34   and other French news outlets were permitted to see what is happening in Donetsk.
04:38   We aren’t permitted to see what’s happening in areas controlled by Russia.
04:42   We never receive a visa to enter these areas, because Russia refuses us access.
04:49   Why do you refuse us access? —What do you expect? You refused visas
04:53   to all Russians. Listen, there 11,000 illegitimate sanctions against my country,
04:58   and you expect Russia to receive you in Donetsk? You’re pretty naïve.
05:03   We’ll see each other in Kiev or at the Polish border. Soon enough,
05:08   but not in Donetsk at the moment. There’s a war going on. There are soldiers
05:12   and an army moving around. Why? Do you really think that Russia will invite journalists
05:18   from the countries that have launched an economic war against our country?
05:22   So those countries can see where we are on the front? You’re really naïve.
05:27   Once again, Pyotr Tolstoy, you started this war. —No, we weren’t the ones
05:32   who started this war — it was you who started this war. For years,
05:36   with your preoccupation with security and which Russia declared to
05:41   the European Union, to the United States, to NATO, etc.
05:48   You ignored that, and just thought, “OK, the Russians lost the Cold War
05:54   and we can do what we want.” So you placed NATO at the Russian borders.
05:59   That’s not correct, but don’t worry, we don’t want negotiations now.
06:06   As I told Mr. Morel, we must win the war on the ground, and we will win
06:10   the war on the ground, and then there will be negotiations at the Polish border.
06:14   That’s when we will invite you, so you journalists can see how Ukrainian are feeling
06:18   on Russian territory. —Pyotr Tolstoy, your army has retreated
06:24   in recent months, after leaving Chernobyl and failing to take Kiev,
06:28   your army also left Kharkiv. That was two weeks ago. Everywhere your army
06:32   is pulling back, but you’re telling us tonight that you’ll be going to Kiev?
06:37   Is that still the objective, to take Kiev and remove Zelensky from power?
06:42   Of course, our clear objective is the de-nazification and the de-militarization
06:47   of Ukraine. Getting back to what you say about the regrouping of Russian troops,
06:53   do you think that Russia has withdrawn troops from Kherson because it’s afraid
06:59   of the Ukrainian army? No, we must regroup the troops before winter so that the
07:03   civilians who live in Kherson aren’t at put at risk. For those who have left
07:07   with the Russian army — for the most part. Also to protect the lives of our soldiers.
07:13   We aren’t crazy. Kherson is a Russian city following the recent referendum.
07:17   Don’t worry, we’ll come back to Kherson, we’ll come to Dniepr and we’ll come to Kiev.
07:24   Without a doubt. There’s no doubt about that. —You have no doubt about it.
07:29   Another possible scenario that I submit to you. It is what the Ukrainians want.
07:33   After Kherson, they obviously have Crimea in mind, they want their Crimean land back.
07:38   If the Ukrainians launch a military ground operation, for example in the Crimea,
07:45   what would be your reaction?
07:51   What would your reaction be? —It’s really simple. Crimea wasn’t a part of the Ukraine before.
07:54   Don’t worry, the Russian army has the strength to push the Ukrainians back
08:02   in the other direction, along with the others. The last few weeks, Ukrainians lost
08:06   thousands of soldiers on the battlefield, because they tried to attack in vain.
08:11   We don’t want to use the heavy artillery that we could, and level everything,
08:19   as I said, to the ground, hundreds of kilometers deep into the Ukraine.
08:24   We haven’t done that. However, if there are attacks coming from the Ukrainian military
08:31   near or on Russian tanks. Evidently, that would be a tragedy for the Ukrainian army.
08:39   It appears you’re preparing for that scenario? You’ve created a line of defense.
08:44   There are sectors being created by the Ukrainian forces near Crimea.
08:48   Are you preparing for such a scenario? —We’re prepared for every scenario.
08:53   However, I would like to emphasize, we’ve been in conflict with you from the very beginning
08:58   of this conflict. It’s been going on for years. Clearly, no line of defense
09:05   or encampment is decisive. That’s not really important in this conflict.
09:13   The most important aspect of this conflict is the military aid coming from NATO
09:19   to Ukraine. As well as data from the American Sputnik to the Ukrainian Army.
09:28   That’s important. You will pay the price for the aid you’re giving.
09:34   It’s not as you describe. —We will pay, how? What do you mean by “You will pay”?
09:40   I’ll explain to you how you’re going to pay this price. It’s going to be expensive
09:45   for the European middle class and for the European Union which has put itself in an
09:53   economic crisis due to politicians like those who voted today for the sanctions
10:00   against Russia. Members of the European Parliament who categorize Russia
10:05   as a state sponsor of terrorism, etc. All of them will end up in the garbage bin of history.
10:10   Those who replace them in three or five years, will be in line to conduct negotiations
10:16   with Russia. Don’t forget that Russia is the largest country in Europe,
10:20   and twice we were at war with Europe.
10:25   The first time we stopped at Paris and the second time in Berlin.
10:29   So if our goal is now Kiev, that’s still very modest.
10:34   However, you will pay the price for supporting Ukraine economically.
10:40   Showering once a week to fight against Putin and by other economic consequences
10:46   such as inflation. Gas and electricity prices, for instance.
10:51   I don’t want to tell you; you’ll see and we can revisit this interview
10:56   in a few months to see if I was wrong. —Pyotr Tolstoy, I have a question for you
11:00   from one of our guests on set, Guillaume Ancel —Good evening, sir. —Good evening.
11:08   You have a very good name, but you’re fighting a dirty war. You’ve killed
11:12   tens of thousands of young people. Have you ever been in a war yourself?
11:17   Of course, I didn’t go to war as a soldier, but I went to war as a… —Well, that’s no.
11:25   What is war? I know what war is, and you have no right
11:30   to reproach me for the lives of tens of thousands of young people, because you
11:35   with your pseudo-humanist rhetoric have already killed hundreds of thousands
11:42   of people all over the world. Notably in Libya, in Iraq, in Afghanistan.
11:49   You answered my question. I just wanted to know if you’re aware of what you’re doing.
11:53   You massacre. I understand that you have never been to war. It’s undoubtedly
11:57   the reason you speak as you do. Thank you. —I’ve just returned from the front
12:02   near Swatovo of Belgorod. I’ve seen our soldiers. I know what war is,
12:07   and I know very well this isn’t just for months, but for years. Therefore,
12:12   prepare yourselves with all your moral reproaches, etc. Prepare yourselves well,
12:19   because you still have some time ahead of you. —Excuse me, Pyotr Tolstoy,
12:24   before we speak about Vladimir Putin, I would like to make a few remarks. One thing
12:30   that strikes me tonight is that you seem strangely pleased that Ukrainians suffered
12:35   in recent years. The Russian side is also suffering,
12:40   both among your military, and your population, which is suffering today.
12:46   Listen, for eight years Ukrainians have been shooting children of the Donbas;
12:51   have we not suffered? All these years, twenty million Russians have been discriminated
12:58   against in Ukraine, deprived of their language, deprived of their history —
13:02   that’s not suffering? —The Donbas that belonged to Ukraine? You went and
13:09   annexed Ukraine, violating all international laws, you’ve annexed, pardon me,
13:13   Crimea. —No. —You annexed the Donbas and violated all international laws. —No, no.
13:17   You still have in your head the borders that were drawn by Lenin and Stalin,
13:25   but we’re talking about people, about 20 million Russians who have been
13:30   brought to their knees by Ukrainian nationalists
13:34   since the existence of independent Ukraine. An independent Ukraine which Russia has
13:39   been subsidizing for twenty years with very low gas prices,
13:44   and supported their sovereignty etc., but if the moment is over, then it’s over.
13:53   The Ukrainians think that they are being occupied, etc.;
13:58   we will prove that it is not the case. —Ulysses Gosset has a question for you.
14:03   Yes. —When Vladimir Putin annexed Crimea in 2014, he was at the peak
14:08   of his popularity. He was really very popular in Russia. Today, in 2022, with the
14:15   war in Ukraine, that’s not officially referred to as “war” in Russia, Putin is in trouble.
14:23   He didn’t even attend the G20 summit to represent the Russian Federation.
14:28   Even China warns against and condemns the prospect of nuclear war.
14:34   What is in your opinion on the success of Putin’s military adventure,
14:41   which is condemned almost universally and which stirs up fear of war even returning
14:46   to Europe and not just in Ukraine? —Yes, thank you for your question.
14:52   I don’t quite agree with you, because when you talk about isolating Russia,
14:58   weakening Putin, etc., that’s a very Western vision. Putin did not participate
15:05   in the G20 summit because of course he’s not only the president of the country
15:09   but he is also commanding a military operation. The Minister of Foreign Affairs
15:14   held good discussions with his Chinese and Indonesian colleagues, etc.
15:21   So in your view in Western Europe, from these small parts of Europe geographically,
15:28   you imagine yourself to be the entire world. No, you aren’t. It’s not that.
15:35   Putin isn’t suffering, I assure you. Putin isn’t suffering, and doesn’t even think
15:40   about all these efforts to boycott and isolate Russia.
15:45   Of course you want to isolate Russia, but that’s not the case, because…
15:51   Don’t you think that Putin has difficulties making this war acceptable?
15:57   A war against a fraternal people? Russian propaganda says they are
16:01   the same Ukrainians who a few decades ago were part of the former USSR?
16:06   Does he have a difficulty telling compatriots to make war against Ukrainians?
16:11   Is that the reason his popularity is waning? How else do you explain the migration
16:15   out of Russia to Georgia, to the West, which is the largest since the revolution of 1917?
16:25   I assure you that war is a responsibility and very hard for any leader of any country.
16:38   If, for example, France is going to lead a war in Africa, the French president might be
16:44   preoccupied with that, too. As far as your illusions about Putin’s popularity
16:51   are concerned, I can assure you that his confidence rate is even higher than
16:56   when Crimea was returned to Russia. Secondly… —That’s not true. That’s not true.
17:04   Yes, it is. All of these people you mention, the immigration, they are young people
17:11   who are afraid. So it was tens of thousands of young people who left
17:16   for neighboring countries. They went there a few months ago and many of them
17:20   are trying to return to Russia because they can’t find the means
17:24   to continue living in Georgia or Kazakhstan.
17:28   We’re talking about several hundred thousand people and, sorry, we have
17:32   our own figures, too. For example, the number of Russians who have placed
17:36   money abroad; these are the figures of the Russian bank, money sent abroad.
17:40   It’s soaring; thirty billion has been sent abroad since the beginning of the war.
17:44   Obviously there is no confidence in the Russian system. —No, those figures are,
17:49   unfortunately, the Central Bank’s figures. The investment of finances.
17:54   The figures are so large because today we do not have the possibility
17:59   of exchanging money in Russia because of the Western sanctions.
18:07   So this figure is very big, but it is not the people’s money. It’s money from companies,
18:13   and this money is kept by companies in the West to pay the loans
18:19   and the interest rates on those loans. That’s one thing, and the second thing,
18:23   hundreds of thousands? No. You don’t have the statistics. We watched it.
18:28   All the people who have crossed the border, we have the statistics.
18:33   It’s not even a hundred thousand. So this is the sort of thing… —I’m sorry; countries
18:40   around you submitted statistics that exceed 100,000. —Those figures aren’t correct.
18:46   They need to be verified. —Pyotr Tolstoy, I’d like to come back to Vladimir Putin.
18:50   Tonight we have a statement from an adviser to Volodymyr Zelensky, which says
18:54   “Putin is afraid for his life. If he loses the war, at least in the mind of Russians,
18:58   it means that it is the end for him in the political sense and possibly even
19:02   in the physical sense,” Is Putin afraid? —In my opinion there is no chance
19:07   that Russia will lose the war. I already told you that at the beginning.
19:11   So in my opinion Putin has nothing to lose, and we haven’t even begun the war yet.
19:17   We’ve just started the special military operation, and that is preserving the lives
19:24   of civilians. That’s what we’ve been doing until now. My hope is that by targeting
19:29   the Ukrainian energy infrastructure will save lives of civilians who are in the cities
19:36   and in the villages. It will save their lives when the Russian troops
19:41   are going to enter the cities. So that’s quite an argument for you which is new.
19:50   But, sorry, it’s not the reaction that we see and not what we’re told
19:54   by reporters on location, as they questioned the residents that were liberated
19:58   from the Russian occupation. —Of course. —As it has been the case lately. —Of course,
20:02   of course, the reporters on location have already been deprived of accreditation
20:06   because they interviewed Russians who regretted the departure of the Russian
20:11   troops. That’s the Ukrainians with freedom of speech, excuse me, that’s really…
20:17   I don’t know that you’re talking about here, but just one more thing, I have two more
20:21   questions to ask you, Pyotr Tolstoy. —Please do. —We’ve clearly understood
20:24   tonight that your military objective remains the total capture of Ukraine. You said
20:28   that you would go to Kiev and the Polish border. Would you cross that border?
20:33   Could you make this war go beyond the territory of Ukraine? —But for what reason?
20:42   So, you’re saying no? —For what reason? —For what reason?! —From what you said
20:46   tonight, there’s clearly a hatred against the Ukrainians, but there’s also a genuine
20:52   opposition to NATO and the European Union that you’ve expressed tonight.
20:57   You might be tempted to go further than the Polish border, for example. —I must stress
21:03   that we aren’t the source of this opposition. It’s NATO. It’s the European Union
21:10   sending heavy weaponry to Ukraine, which shoots at Russian cities, for example.
21:16   So it’s not our fault. It’s yours. That’s the first thing. The second thing is that,
21:22   obviously, at some point in all wars there’s a moment to stop fighting
21:29   and start conducting negotiations etc., but for now, it’s not the moment, in my opinion, but you
21:33   shouldn’t worry. We see what’s going on. We’re not going to enter Polish territory.
21:38   We’ll leave the Poles to the European Union, so it will be over faster for the Poles.
21:45   And I don’t have any hatred for Ukrainians, because I’m half-Ukrainian
21:51   and I love Ukraine. Kiev is the city where my great-grandfather was born,
21:57   and I don’t want to allow Mr. Zelensky and the gang around him, nor the Europeans,
22:03   to occupy my city Kiev. —You have a strange way to show your love for the
22:09   Ukrainian people. One last question. —It’s not strange. It’s the change of a political
22:14   regime that is supported by Europeans. So, by you. —In a country that is not yours.
22:19   A question about love. —Yes it is, this is my country. I was born in this country.
22:24   It’s my country. —Why? It’s not your country. —It’s my country, but you’re talking about
22:29   the borders that were drawn by Lenin and Stalin inside the Soviet Union and you think
22:35   that these borders have utility for twenty million Russians who live in Ukraine
22:40   and who are still living under the pressure of Ukrainian nationalists today.
22:45   Ulysses, last question. —May I remind you that the independence of Ukraine
22:49   was decided by Boris Yeltsin, who at that time was very close to Vladimir Putin,
22:53   and that’s how the Russian Federation became what it is today?
22:57   So, my question is about Mr. Prigozhin. Do you have the feeling that he will
23:03   create his own party? Is he a threat to the head of the Kremlin?
23:07   Are you worried about the rise of this man who now almost has a private army,
23:13   with a lot of resources? He has both military and police resources,
23:18   and Internet resources. Is he a threat to the stability of Vladimir Putin’s regime?
23:26   No, that’s an assumption that unfortunately is far from reality.
23:32   Although it’s true that Mr. Prigozhin may have connections with battalions
23:40   of volunteers who are fighting at the front not far from Donetsk
23:45   and who have killed many Poles, American and English mercenaries,
23:51   all those people who want to fight for Ukrainian democracy against the Russians.
23:57   It’s true that he doesn’t take prisoners. That’s one thing that provokes hatred
24:03   against him. All these assumptions are a little strange, because I know him.
24:06   He’s a very brave and good man.
24:10   So there’s no reason to think that he’s any threat to Putin
24:16   or any regime of the Russian power. —Thank you. —So don’t you worry.
24:21   We’re fine. —Thank you very much Pyotr Tolstoy, Vice President of the Duma.
24:26   Thank you. —Thank you for being with us, live from Russia tonight.
 

13 thoughts on ““You Will See That Russia Can’t Lose”

  1. The cognitive dissonance of those questioners is truly shocking.

    How can they be so brainwashed that they seriously believe Ukraine is winning the war which they provoked? How can they not know that Ukraine lost within the first couple months and the interval since has been Russia fighting the entirety of NATO with Ukrainians and NATO mercenaries as cannon fodder? And that Western arsenals are now denuded of weapons and the combined NATO armies could not fight Russia if they so desired due to lack of weapons with which to do so?

    The proof of the defeat is in the nightly recurring strikes against the Ukrainian power grid with almost complete impunity. A country that is winning a war does not allow its opponent to freely operate over its airspace and destroy its infrastructure. When the Russians finally start their winter offensive and take the entirety of the lands east of the Dnieper, or perhaps even move from Belorussia to completely cut off the country from Europe and weapons and NATO mercenaries, the resulting fall of the Kiev regime will be the end of NATO and likely the end of the EU. And the final nail in the coffin of American hegemony and the dollar as the world’s reserve currency.

    • I’ll just add what I have heard some supposedly old Chernobil engineers said:

      Ukraine used to be powered by nuclear.

      Technology to burn spent nuclear fuel exists and is ready to use.

      There is not enough Uranium left on the planet, but Uranium rockets are already operational in space.

      So – we can see the war in Ukraine as a sort of Grand Theft Nuclear. That’s why the Russians visited to Chernobil as well. To get that spent fuel.

      But – the ultimate goal is to put the EU offline, both Oil and Nuclear.

      The russian engineers on the internet said that the USA is complicit in this, and that it’s basically USA and Russia against the EU.

      The plan seems strangely feasible.

  2. But, but, but, NATO and muh rainbow CRT troops?
    The Wunderwaffen will tip the scales just like the Messerschmitt Schwalbe and Komet did for the Third Reich.
    The draft will start up anytime in the US and the coalition of the vassals which will supply endless cannon fodder for GAE.
    The US public is happy to pay triple for everyday essentials in the interest of the 51st state Ukraine.
    Nope, not April 1st.

    • IRONY ON
      Yes, just wait till the few german Infantry transports show up where the seats are comfortable to pregnant women. And if two american perv.. sorry glorious Trans-women Rachel Levine and Sam Brinton lead the united NATO troops wearing red heels ( I heard that there is a red heels day in the US Army were soldiers are required to wear red high heels in a show of sympathy and to fight against misogony, patriarchy etc – whatever) then even the elite Spetznas will run for their lives.

      Hell, from Germany we sent the Drag Queen Olivia Jones, that will scare the russians even more.
      IRONY OFF

      As an old, white, male I stay home, make some popcorn and enjoy the show.

    • They are not complicated. They are collecting a paycheck and will say and do anything that their paymasters tell them to. That’s all. They are prostitutes. They would disembowel their own mother’s on live TV for money.

      All in all, totally inferior people.

  3. This is a dirty colonial war and cleansing of the territory. Blessed Ukrainian territory. For whom? For those who, since the time of the Khazar Kaganate, considered it theirs? For those who avenge P O G R O M?
    At the same time, this is a kind of genocide to cleanse Russia of Russian people. So that no one claims the natural resources of this country.

    I have withdrawn my soul from these things. I went into internal migration. I went to my personal inner Herculaneum.

  4. Russia is not invincible. They are now using human wave tactics, hoping, as Stalin did, that his opponent would choke on Russian blood. Russia can’t afford it, and the war was unaffordable from the start.

    Russia is not likely to win this one.

  5. Thank you Vlad and the RAIR Foundation, and Miss Piggy for enabling us to keep up with world events. This was an excellent interview, and quite revealing.

  6. It would be a technique they learned from US but, turn off all water, sanitation, electricity and fuel and keep it off for two years. The winter damage along with military demolition and fires would render the place uninhabitable without $trillions and years.

    This forced dumping of people (and Nazis) on Europe will work very well with the existing diversity that makes Europe so much stronger. Oh, special fun, just as the Ukes get there, the EU runs out of power and money to keep all three demanding groups happy.

    Extra bonus round! If Europe has a financial collapse what happens to the $ trillions of derivatives tied up with US banks? What happens when All the “to big to fail” banks fail at once?

    • That’s when the CBDCs will be launched, to save us all from the resulting hyperinflation. Normies will be so relieved to have a solution to their financial woes. Being chipped will seem like a small price to pay for the reliability, security, and convenience of having digital money.

      • Yes, and then will come the next round of vaccines and when the people die in droves a few years later they will say: “The Russians are guilty!” and “The unjabbed are guilty!”.

        But the CBDC will mean that you cant buy food if you are unvaxxed and the code of this electronic money will mean they can decide what you buy.

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