The following video shows a brief (and antagonistic) interview by Die Welt with Jörg Meuthen, the spokesman for AfD (Alternative für Deutschland, Alternative for Germany). The topic is the recent ouster of Hans-Georg Maaßen from his position as the president of the Federal Office for the Protection of the Constitution, and then from his new job, all because he had the audacity to deny the reality of the purported “man-hunts” of migrants during demonstrations in Chemnitz. It is rumored that Mr. Maaßen may now join the AfD.
Many thanks to MissPiggy for the translation, and to Vlad Tepes for the subtitling:
Video transcript:
00:00 | With me in studio is the co-chairman of the AfD party, Jörg Meuthen. It is nice that you are | |
00:05 | taking time to visit us today on this important day. I would like to continue discussing the | |
00:09 | Maaßen situation. Horst Seehofer was just asked if he could imagine Mr. Maaßen joining | |
00:15 | the CSU party, but he didn’t want to respond. Do you have the AfD membership book ready? | |
00:20 | Would you take him? —We have an excellent impression from Mr. Maaßen, who has always | |
00:26 | been an exemplary public official for us. For speaking the truth, he had to endure humiliating | |
00:32 | abuse. Which was unjust in our opinion. We are a democratic constitutional party and | |
00:37 | in a democratic constitutional party is Mr. Maaßen more than welcome. | |
00:41 | But did he always really tell the truth? Isn’t that the reason the entire situation | |
00:44 | ignited the way it did? He was personally criticised. It was about the video | |
00:48 | in which an alleged “Man-hunt” was filmed. He called it into question, but besides the video | |
00:54 | there were witness testimonies, journalists that said they were attacked. In several places | |
00:59 | in the city (of Chemnitz) there was rioting. Plus the Jewish restaurant that was attacked | |
01:04 | by violent mobs. Gunshots were even heard. Journalists were thrown down stairs. | |
01:10 | All of this occurred during this atmosphere. So, it is not acceptable that the | |
01:14 | National Intelligence/Constitutional Protection Officer says, “I’m not interested in all that, | |
01:18 | there was no man-hunt” —So, I wasn’t aware of the cases you just mentioned. Mr. Maaßen | |
01:23 | was referring to the images being shown on national television. It was the short 13 second | |
01:27 | video that was shown non-stop and he was completely accurate in saying that it did not show | |
01:34 | a “man-hunt” happening, nor did it show riotous hoards. What he did was to take recourse | |
01:40 | in a certain area, for something that is quite obvious, by delivering four sparse sentences | |
01:44 | that are beyond doubt in my opinion. | |
01:48 | He could have made his statement more specific afterwards, but that he didn’t do either. | |
01:52 | Let us come back to party affiliation. Mr. Maaßen said he would like to go into politics. | |
01:59 | Do you have any reliable information that Mr. Maaßen wants to join the AfD? —No. I don’t have | |
02:05 | any information regarding that at all. That’s Mr. Maaßen’s business and I’m sure he will | |
02:10 | think it through very well. As I understood it, he said he could see himself being active in | |
02:15 | economics OR in politics. Mr. Maaßen hasn’t reached the age where one would consider | |
02:20 | retiring and if he was interested in being politically active by joining us he is certainly welcome. | |
02:29 | He probably wouldn’t be just a normal party member, but might have a special position in | |
02:34 | your party based on his background knowledge. —First of all, every person that joins our party is | |
02:40 | treated as an equal member with the same rights as every other member. That’s just a speculative | |
02:46 | point. Mr. Maaßen must decide for himself if he is interested. All I can say is, if he is interested, then | |
02:52 | he will receive a warm welcome from us. —And your party is currently in a quote unquote “crisis” | |
03:00 | with the announcement of an investigation by the National Intelligence/Constitutional Protection | |
03:04 | Agency. For the moment there are discussions, to formulate it cautiously. The AfD has even | |
03:09 | commission an expert report itself, which can be interpreted in such a way that | |
03:14 | an investigation is made imminent as a result of this commissioned report. Or at least | |
03:20 | now it is considered advisable. Don’t you regret having commissioned this report now? | |
03:26 | No, that is an incorrect interpretation. Commissioning a expert to make an assessment | |
03:30 | was the right thing to do. It basically just show that we are taking the situation very seriously | |
03:34 | and getting ourselves prepared. We are firmly convinced that an investigation is completely | |
03:40 | unjustifiable and purely politically motivated. There is no legal basis for such an investigation. | |
03:47 | So as far as the commissioned report prepared by Professor Dr. Dietrich Murswiek is concerned, | |
03:53 | in his released statement he make it very clear. No where in his report does he imply that an | |
04:01 | investigation is imminent. Unfortunately it will probably be portrayed that way in the media. | |
04:05 | There are other constitutional lawyers, for example Joachim Wieland that says the complete | |
04:10 | opposite. Of course it depends, because we are talking about individuals that have expressed | |
04:15 | themselves in ways that are questionable constitutionally or at least said things that are | |
04:20 | not compatible with the constitution. Since they are leading party officials, then it must be | |
04:24 | ascribe to the entire party. There are several comments, from Mr. Höcke for example. Or | |
04:31 | Mr. Gauland, who has been heavily criticised in the past. Shouldn’t you react when this sort of | |
04:37 | thing happens? Shouldn’t your party say that it is unacceptable? —When it comes to political | |
04:45 | hygiene we are fairly clear, in our own interest. However, we all agree that freedom of speech | |
04:52 | is a supreme value. Article 5 of the Constitution. We insist deliberately that there should be | |
04:57 | freedom of expression and to a very large degree. This mean in our party anything | |
05:02 | can be said as long as it does not contradict the terms of a democratic fundamental order. | |
05:08 | I attach great importance to that. Those kind of comments are not tolerated and in that sense | |
05:13 | we always operate with within the legal boundaries of the constitution. By the way, | |
05:17 | not all the other parties are able to say that. —So then, there is the quote about the Nazi Era | |
05:21 | being “a bird poop in Germany’s 1000 year history”. Or the “memorial of shame | |
05:25 | in the middle of Berlin”. Those are statements from your party. Do you still believe | |
05:29 | saying such things is protected by the constitution? —Absolutely and without restrictions. | |
05:33 | That’s doesn’t mean I think they are pleasant, but these statement are not something | |
05:37 | beyond the limits of our constitution. —Couldn’t these statements encourage | |
05:41 | the radical right or at least make them feel stronger because they have a party in parliament | |
05:47 | that now represents their views. Monument to shame, come on, we are talking about | |
05:52 | the Holocaust victims. Calling it shameful is harsh. —I don’t lay claim to these opinions | |
05:56 | and by the way, there are differing interpretation. One can also see it as | |
06:01 | a shameful period in German history and these 12 years certainly were disastrous. | |
06:09 | Whether this sentence should have been formulated in a contradictory manner is | |
06:13 | debatable. However, I want to draw attention to the fact that my party is very strictly constitutional. | |
06:19 | We fully respect the capacity of state to exert control, but that’s not the case with the SPD or | |
06:25 | the Green party. —Where? —Why doesn’t the SPD or the Green Party distance themselves | |
06:30 | from the Interventionist Leftist or from Antifa? These are violent organisations, they terrorise… | |
06:36 | But they are not directly connected to the SPD or The Green Party. —But of course, | |
06:40 | they work together and I can prove it. What about Bundnis Aufstehen Gegen Rassismus | |
06:45 | (Stand Up Against Racism Association)? Have a look who the members are. Ms. Barley is a | |
06:49 | member. Ms. Schwesig is a member. Mr. Stegner is a member. Mr. Özdemir is a member. | |
06:53 | Mr. Hofreiter is a member and Ms. Göring-Eckardt along with the interventionist | |
06:57 | leftists, the ones that nearly destroyed half of Hamburg during the G20 summit. Why aren’t we | |
07:01 | having a look there? Why are they being investigated? —That is a subject we will have to | |
07:05 | discuss at another time. Just briefly, in the Union, the CDU, there is battle for the leadership. There | |
07:11 | will be a new party Chairman or Chairwoman elected. Are you concerned if, for example, | |
07:16 | a purely hypothetical question, if Mr. Merz were to win, that you would lose voters? —Absolutely not. | |
07:24 | I hear that all the time, everyone believes we’re profoundly concerned. No, the CDU | |
07:28 | has changed so drastically under the 13 years of Merkel’s chancellorship and her 18 year | |
07:32 | CDU Chairmanship, that they have completely lost their conservative profile. Just changing | |
07:37 | the chairman seat isn’t going to bring back what is lost. If you are looking for a proper conservative | |
07:43 | party in Germany in 2018, you only find the Alternative for Germany. There is no other one. | |
07:50 | The CDU has become a social democratic party, neither Mr. Merz or Frau Kramp-Karrenbauer | |
07:55 | nor Mr. Spahn can do anything to change that in a short period of time. —We will see what | |
07:59 | happens on the 8th of December. —We’ll see. —Mr. Meuthen, thank you very much | |
08:03 | for the discussion. —You’re welcome. |
The reference to “Herr Spahn” at the end gave me a start (not even Herr Spahn can save the CDU anymore), but most of this interview was ununderstandable to me, because I lack the background knowledge about German politics and about the “man-hunts” (Hetzjagd) referred to.
In case you don’t know already, the source of the “manhunt”-video from Chemnitz has been found and interviewed (anonymously, of course) regarding what happened before the recording started.
https://www.tichyseinblick.de/meinungen/tichys-einblick-fand-die-herkunft-des-chemnitz-videos-heraus/
The article is in German.