At least that’s the opinion of one “expert” consulted for this TV report from Denmark. You know, the same way Hitler was just mouthing off about getting rid of the Jews — he didn’t really mean it.
Many thanks to Tania Groth for translating this clip, and to Vlad Tepes for the subtitling:
|00:00||We are in an alley in Nørrebro (Copenhagen).|
|00:03||Here the talk is about what happened|
|00:06||behind the walls of the Al Farouq Mosque.|
|00:09||Is it OK to say something like that? Yes, it’s Islam, so it is.|
|00:12||Then it’s right, yes. The controversial words had to do with Friday prayers on March 31 this year.|
|00:17||The Prophet Mohammed’s words will be fulfilled.|
|00:20||The preacher is talking about the conflict|
|00:25||in Israel/Palestine and then cites Islamic scripture.|
|00:29||“Judgement day will not come until the Muslims kill the Jews”|
|00:35||“The Jews will hide behind rocks and trees,|
|00:39||but the rocks and trees will proclaim “O Muslim, o servant of Allah,|
|00:43||there is a Jew hiding behind me, come and kill him”|
|00:51||In the two hours we were outside the mosque today we didn’t find anybody who clearly disagreed.|
|00:56||“I don’t think he meant anything bad about it.” “No, I don’t think that either.”|
|00:59||But he is saying that Jews should be killed. Yeah.|
|01:02||How can that not be bad? Well, I myself am a Palestinian.|
|01:05||In Islam you are not allowed to kill anybody. You are not allowed to in Islam.|
|01:09||It is forbidden. But isn’t it then wrong, that he is standing here in the mosque|
|01:12||and saying that the Jews should be killed?|
|01:15||Where was it? Here in the mosque. Oh, I don’t know.|
|01:19||Today the Minister of Immigration and Integration is calling for|
|01:22||a clear protest from the congregation at the mosque.|
|01:25||If anything like this had happened in a Danish church,|
|01:28||people would have gotten up and walked out in protest.|
|01:31||Who is he then, this preacher?|
|01:35||Mundhir Abdallah lives in Lebanon and has connections to Hizb ut-Tahrir,|
|01:40||and apparently travels around with his messages.|
|01:44||Here in Tunisia, here in Syria,|
|01:48||and here in the same mosque in Denmark in 2015.|
|01:52||“The real conflict in Muslim society is with the West,|
|01:56||the infidel colonialist.”|
|01:59||Despite the controversial words, he cannot be found on the Danish list of hate preachers|
|02:03||who have been denied access to Denmark. Is this list sufficient?|
|02:09||Well, the hate preacher list is not set in stone. On the contrary, it is made so that|
|02:13||people can be put on the list and people can be removed again.|
|02:17||There are similar precedents, for example Grimhøj (Mosque). Abu Bilal,|
|02:22||who during a guest appearance in Berlin said the following:|
|02:25||“Allah, destroy the Zionist Jews. It is an easy task for you.”|
|02:30||“Count them and kill every one of them.”|
|02:34||This cost him a fine of almost 10,000 Danish kroner, by the German authorities,|
|02:38||and according to several judicial experts the new statements may very well|
|02:43||be in conflict with Danish law.|
|02:46||If there is any way whatsoever I can go after someone who preaches this type of hate,|
|02:52||then I can guarantee you that we will go after him.|
|02:55||We have attempted to find somebody from the leadership of the mosque who can tell us|
|02:58||why they permit this type of preacher, but it hasn’t been possible|
|03:01||to find anyone who would talk with us.|
|03:04||But there are of course other Muslim voices out there. One of them belongs to Tarek Hanum,|
|03:07||who today wrote a declaration of support on Facebook for Danish Jews.|
|03:11||It has to be made clear that from my side and others like me,|
|03:15||who are typical Muslims, that we care about other religious communities|
|03:19||here in Denmark. We care about the Jewish community.|
|03:22||And now I will bid good evening to Thomas Hoffman, Professor of Koran and Islam|
|03:26||studies at the University of Copenhagen.|
|03:30||Thomas Hoffman, in your opinion what makes the imam’s statements particularly troubling?|
|03:38||Well that is first and foremost this link between this very bloody and old verse|
|03:44||or statement, and a modern political context,|
|03:50||namely the Israel/Palestine conflict.|
|03:53||Here the Jews in the holy verse, so to speak, are linked together with ordinary modern-day Jews|
|04:01||and Israelis and I think that is what is problematic about his statements.|
|04:08||It is very reminiscent of the statement… yes.|
|04:12||What I wanted to ask you is, do you really think the imam means|
|04:16||that Danish Muslims should go out and kill Danish Jews?|
|04:21||No, I don’t think that’s necessarily what he means, that they actually should go out|
|04:29||and carry out that project. But the imam is very preoccupied with creating an enemy picture,|
|04:37||and fertilizing the soil, and that is exactly what he is doing in this instance.|
|04:43||I don’t think that he is necessarily trying to establish a strict causality|
|04:47||between these statements and a general hatred of Jews.|
|04:55||There is a young woman in this video who says something like|
|04:58||“I don’t think he means anything bad by this.”|
|05:01||Should we take the statements from this imam with a grain of salt, or what is your opinion?|
|05:11||Yeah… On one side we should take it with a grain of salt… I mean… this is|
|05:15||an imam who is preaching at a mosque that is associated with Hizb ut-Tahrir,|
|05:22||and they frequently come out with very controversial and violent statements,|
|05:26||and that is usually just them mouthing off.|
|05:30||But nevertheless we should of course take threats seriously,|
|05:34||even though they perhaps may just be empty threats.|
|05:38||And that was Thomas Hoffman. Thank you for being on the programme.
Well, then. Nothing to worry about. List. Schmist. No strict causality here.
Cool flag there. I’ve seen it before somewhere but can’t remember where exactly.
Am I hearing this right?
Denmark permits a mosque with associations to Hizb ut-Tahrir??
I did a brief search on Hizb ut-Tahrir Denmark and came up with several links. This person’s dissertation,
The Caliphate as Homeland: Hizb ut-Tahrir in Denmark and Britain,
has a summary in English, starting at page 183.
Obviously, the aim of Hizb ut-Tahrir is to make globalists out of its members; wherever they live their allegiance will be to the Caliphate. That understanding makes the West look naive at best.
See the wiki:
The organization was founded in 1953 as a Sunni Muslim organization in Jerusalem by Taqiuddin al-Nabhani, an Islamic scholar and appeals court judge (Qadi) from Palestine. Since then Hizb ut-Tahrir has spread to more than 50 countries, and grown to a membership estimated to be between “tens of thousands” to “about one million”. Hizb ut-Tahrir is very active in Western countries, particularly in the United Kingdom, and also in several Arab and Central Asian countries, despite being banned by some governments. Members typically meet in small private study circles, but in countries where the group is not illegal (such as Europe) it also engages with the media and organizes rallies and conferences.
The “basis” of the party’s “ideological platform” has been described as the writings of its deceased founder al-Nabhani, “unchanged in the last 50 years” and unlikely to be, as “any major changes” might “undermine” party unity. The party itself claims its “ideology and its method of work” has been “meticulously thought out and published in many detailed books.”
One such book, just published, is by Ibn Warraq. See our sidebar:
The Islam in Islamic Terrorism: The Importance of Beliefs, Ideas, and Ideology
I recommend viewing the page, and getting a free sample on your Kindle, even if you don’t plan to buy the book. Coincidentally, IW begins almost immediately with this very same group, as I discovered last night in perusing the book.
For further information, do a search on Hizb ut-Tahrir with the name of your country following. It’s a long, long way from 1953 to here, and in that interim, these killers have been quite busy and quite open about their plans to make “The Caliphate” home base from wherever they are.
The main thing that has kept these marauders from taking over the world is their own internecine warfare.
The inability to truly unite will always limit Islam to some extent, but that doesn’t mean a lot of innocent people won’t die in the interim. The nexus of our problem is us, the West. Our once common heritage has been splintered by the Marxist multiculturalists who demand a similar doctrinal purity even as the dogmas splinter into ever smaller, lethal shards.
A few more links Dymphna.
Haitham Ibn Thbait, of the American chapter of Hizb Ut-Tahrir at Chicago conference: “Islam is here to dominate”
Omar Ahmad – Co-founder of the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) “Islam isn’t in America to be equal to any other faiths, but to become dominant. The Koran, the Muslim book of scripture, should be the highest authority in America, and Islam the only accepted religion on Earth.”
The Tripartite Threat of Radical Islam to Europe”
In 2016 “thousands of supporters of Hizb ut-Tahrir…..gathered at a public sports hall in Ankara — courtesy of the Turkish government — to discuss the re-establishment of the Islamic caliphate.”
I would counter that in relative terms the Ummah are far more united in overall purpose compared to we atomized Westerners.
I don’t think so. The Sunni/Shia divide is only the most well-known. Even if the Caliphate were to be reorganized/resurrected, it would be deeply riven with animosities, jealousies, and doctrinal differences worth killing for. The most recent example was the way ISIS set about killing Shi’ites for being the greater evil – i.e., their purported apostasy was worse than the infidels’ ignorance.
Or look at Palestine.
It has been that way since the beginning. It may be the case that even Mohammed was killed off in some internecine skirmish. And before that, he murdered some of his own followers for not being pure enough. Islam is so much like Soviet Marxism in that regard. They killed their fellow Communists by the thousands.
See V.S. Naipaul’s 1982 book, Among the Believers
There have been a number of editions, but the first time we read it was in the 1982 hard-cover version. It’s still germane, all these years later.
Clearly enough, oh yes, he was just mouthing off. But it is a shameful, disgraceful and appalling double standard, is it not, that a white man who said this kind of thing, about killing Muslims, would find the whole force of the state coming down on him. A bacon sandwich on a mosque door gets (a now, very sadly, dead) man a year in jail but hate speech in a mosque provokes only discussion.
Media Office of Hizb ut Tahrir in Scandinavia
Friday, 15th Sha’ban 1438 AH
It has 6 points in its release.
Sad to know that many will accept this press release, and yet has hidden threats in it, such as “creating mischief to islam” which are close to being trigger words for activism, as when advised by an imam to “known wolves”
Strange, isn’t it – when the likes of Geert Wilders or Tommy Robinson “mouth off” they are hauled into court and humiliated. There will come a time when even the liberals will have had just about enough of the blatant double standards of the law when it comes to Islam.
Oh jihadist boys will be jihadist boys… Nothing to see here!
“There will come a time when even the liberals will have had just about enough of the blatant double standards of the law when it comes to Islam.”
Only once there are enough “Swedish Lists“, to where mouthy Liberals start getting hauled into Star Chambers.
Until then, they will continue to congratulate themselves every time that their anti-Western agenda is furthered by another erosion of fundamental Constitutional or human rights.
When the Liberals finally do get up on their hind legs and start to object, things already will be far too long gone.
Yes, the problem when the slow in mind liberals finally get it, it will be too late.
You really think liberals will finally have enough of blatant double-standards of the law when it comes to Islam? Au contraire, liberals *love* double-standards. Such standards are their stock in trade. They will convert to Islam rather than “have enough,” because being atheists, swearing fealty to a religion is far preferable to fighting it.
“will convert to Islam”
I have thought that for some time.
The emotion fed, no reasoning, would allow their brain to just follow on.
The first ones in will be like the ‘early bird getting his worm’, and so will gain a great livelihood. Yes life would be great for many early converts.
Already there is islamic money floating around for institutions, to create ‘chairs’ in universities, and supported by muslim students association.
This will stretch out in to other areas, political parties, and then even into health, social welfare and of course into law and governance.
Then like every one they will fight, for their very valuable lifestyle, and for the future of their families.
It will not matter who they oppress to get what they will feel they deserve.
Islam seems to give them more effective weapons, and no limits to suppress opposition.
Am I talking about socialism or islam?
Converting to islam is made easy on purpose. Just one sentence, no real belief required, only submission. And liberals know really well, how to submit to their owners…