“Fear is a Good Tool for Governance”

Boris Reitschuster is a German journalist and vlogger. In the following video, which was recorded at an anti-lockdown demonstration, Mr. Reitschuster interviews a practicing physician whose views on the Wuhan Coronavirus are decidedly politically incorrect.

Many thanks to MissPiggy for the translation, and to Vlad Tepes and RAIR Foundation for the subtitling:

Video transcript:

00:00   Boris Reitschuster’s interview with German physicians critical
00:04   of governmental Corona policy: “The numbers they present us are manipulative” 3/20/2021, in Kassel
00:08   From over there, I thought you were part of the counter-demonstration, because of
00:11   the “conspiracy theorists” on your sign. —It’s the sign from last week.
00:15   Ahhh, yes. Exactly. You all are doctors, correct? —Yes.
00:19   That’s very interesting; would any of you like to say something?
00:22   We’ll just say the same thing that Sven said last week.
00:25   That was extremely interesting. Nearly 400,000 clicks. I can do it without the camera,
00:29   if someone wants to speak. Well, OK, without the camera, it’s OK.
00:33   OK. I’ll hold the camera over here [on the sign].
00:36   You’re a doctor, I was told by this lady, so maybe
00:40   you could say why you are here today as a doctor.
00:43   Because I believe what we are being told about medicine isn’t correct.
00:48   It contradicts everything I’ve learned,
00:52   as a doctor. I just can’t accept it. I can’t accept something
00:58   that is fundamentally wrong. Medically wrong.
01:03   What is so wrong, medically, in your opinion? Maybe you could explain it somewhat.
01:08   The numbers they present us with are manipulative. The statements are manipulative.
01:15   In April or at the end of March of last year,
01:18   the Robert Koch Institute (RKI) said that those who died from Corona
01:21   wouldn’t be autopsied. That was the moment where I thought, “Hang on, are we in the Middle Ages?
01:27   Why aren’t we doing autopsies?” If we don’t know anything about the most horrible pandemic
01:31   of our time, it has to be examined. That’s the way it’s always been, ever since the Middle Ages.
01:36   That’s when I thought to myself, something’s wrong here and someone wants to hide something.
01:40   Those were my first thoughts. After that, I did some research and found out about the thing
01:43   with the numbers. They are presented without any relationship to anything,
01:48   and twisted so that new measures can be imposed.
01:53   They are doing it again, right now. The PCR tests were driven up last summer
01:58   just as the infection rate was going down, which led to the measures being extended.
02:03   It’s the exact same thing now. The infection rates are going down.
02:07   So now they are pushing tests again. Now it’s the quick tests.
02:10   The method worked before and now they can do
02:13   it again for the 3rd, 4th, 7th and 8th lockdown. It has nothing to do with medicine, though.
02:20   I remember very well the flu season of 2016-17, when we had 25,000 deaths,
02:26   and so many really sick people. We were worked to death. Everyone, in every doctor’s practice.
02:30   I said to myself then, I don’t ever want to have a repeat of that winter. All I did was work
02:34   and sleep. This time around, we were standing around waiting for patients that never came.
02:41   That’s because no one was sick. There weren’t any piles of corpses either.
02:46   None of my patients died. No one. Not one single person. Even from my older patients. Not one.
02:53   However, now I have someone who has already died from the vaccine.
02:57   Really? What happened? —I can’t say, due to professional discretion.
03:03   Well, just say it anonymously… —OK, yes, well let’s just say,
03:08   it was in connection with a vaccination.
03:12   Within the first couple of weeks following vaccination, it was an older patient, in older patients
03:16   who were recently vaccinated, I observed that their diseases
03:19   that were under control suddenly surged
03:22   out of balance. Completely out of balance.
03:25   This patient got the vaccine, but he didn’t suffer from an
03:29   anaphylactic shock or anything. It was a disease that was completely under control.
03:36   This man was fine, but then he got vaccinated. After the second vaccine he died.
03:44   Mr. Wieler and Mr. Cichutek would counter that by saying it was a coincidence and not causality.
03:49   Exactly, but it’s the same with Corona, isn’t it? I have several patients,
03:54   and tell this to my patients as well. This is someone else’s patient,
03:59   not mine, so I’m able to talk about it. I was told about it through acquaintances.
04:03   This patient had a cold along with his wife. He got better,
04:07   but one morning he collapsed. His wife called the paramedics.
04:12   He was swabbed and it turned out positive.
04:15   He was admitted to the Corona unit at the hospital. He was placed
04:18   on a ventilator. He wasn’t doing well, so he was put on a ventilator. He got the full program.
04:22   After that he was doing a little better, but on the third day
04:25   it went downhill. He had two more CTs done on his lungs.
04:28   Following that, a knowledgeable radiologist pointed out
04:32   that there was air in his abdomen, which isn’t a good sign.
04:35   He suggested that someone examine his abdomen. No one had done that up until that point.
04:39   In the end, he didn’t have Corona at all.
04:43   He had an undiagnosed intestinal carcinoma, which was perforated.
04:47   That means, it burst. —Oh gosh. —He literally had s*** in his stomach. That’s why he was so sick.
04:54   A practical expression. —That’s how it really was. He had a sepsis,
04:58   along with kidney failure and pulmonary failure.
05:01   That was the reason he was so sick, but no one diagnosed it. He survived after an operation,
05:10   although he died later, but he survived all that. I read the report.
05:13   The first thing written was Corona.
05:16   It was horrible, he was on a ventilator and listed as the 14th point, oh, and by the way,
05:21   he had a perforated intestinal carcinoma. —He was probably
05:25   listed in the statistic as a Corona death? Wasn’t he?
05:29   First he was transferred to another hospital, so I don’t know exactly. He was in a rehab center.
05:34   That’s where he died. In the transfer report from the ICU, it stated Corona.
05:39   Totally horrible. —There are no other diseases anymore. Just Corona —Exactly.
05:43   That’s why I asked Mr. Lauterbach this Friday, at the federal press conference, and very few people
05:47   know that since the beginning, only 389 people have died under the age of 50.
05:53   I asked him about the risk-benefit assessment concerning the vaccination with regards to that.
05:59   Mr. Lauterbach made reference to the condition known as “Long Corona”,
06:03   and he said especially younger people
06:06   who contract Corona now could at some point develop depression and other severe diseases.
06:13   What is your response to this sort of argument from Mr. Lauterbach? —In general, following every
06:18   severe disease, there are lingering affects that may remain. After every viral infection.
06:25   We know the same happens with shingles or even after contracting influenza.
06:29   These are post-viral infection syndromes. It isn’t new.
06:32   It exists, but most important is what conditions the
06:35   virus meets. A healthy person will take it in stride,
06:41   but the opposite could lead to residual affects.
06:48   That isn’t new, and it isn’t specific to Corona. Absolutely not.
06:51   This is known for every other viral infection.
06:54   Like herpes, for instance? —Yes, that’s an example, but after influenza as well.
07:00   It can also cause post-viral infection syndrome, with fatigue and so forth and so on.
07:04   Yes, like glandular fever (mononucleosis), that’s fairly well-known. We know all that.
07:08   None of it has anything to do with the Corona virus, and where does he know that? —At least
07:15   it’s not anything new. —No. —It’s not because of the coronavirus. —It’s caused by all viruses.
07:18   Oh, OK. So it could also happen with Corona. —It could happen, but it all depends on the person.
07:23   Most people who get sick won’t have any problems.
07:27   Exactly, when there’s only been 389 deaths, it means everyone else wasn’t on their death bed.
07:36   It means they had it and got over it. It’s gone.
07:39   Just like many, many other virus infections as well.
07:42   He’s acting like every second person will be in bed moaning. I’d like to know how he knows
07:49   what the Corona virus will do… —Mr. Lauterbach knows everything. —Yes.
07:55   That’s the impression I get, too. He already knows
07:58   what residual effects the coronavirus will cause,
08:01   but absolutely ignores long-term side effects from vaccinations.
08:06   That isn’t discussed. —A have a friend that’s a doctor and he says he thinks COVID-19 is actually
08:12   three different diseases. For those under 50, it’s harmless.
08:16   For those 50-70 years old somewhat dangerous,
08:20   but not a killer virus. For those over 80 it is very dangerous. Do you share this estimation?
08:27   Let’s just say for those over 80, every infection could be life threatening. —Not the best age.
08:35   No, it’s just that, for most people over 80, at some point they end up in the hospital and die.
08:43   Everyone dies from something at some point, but it’s usually pneumonia or something like that.
08:46   That’s usually the trigger, if you will, of death. This could be caused by the coronavirus as well.
08:53   Certainly, but also by an influenza virus or any other virus. My 94-year-old mother caught
09:00   a cold from my daughter and it nearly killed her three years ago. Yes, it happens.
09:05   That’s the way I see it. This can happen with every other virus or disease as well.
09:09   Do you support protective measure especially to protect the elderly?
09:13   I think older folks are aware already and that they are grownups. They got that old because
09:18   they are completely capable of protecting themselves and are able to decide whether they want
09:26   to go to crowded public place during flu season or not.
09:29   Of course they don’t, because they don’t want to get sick.
09:32   They should be asked and not treated like underage children.
09:37   They got as old as they are because they can take care of themselves.
09:40   What would you tell Jens Spahn
09:43   if he were to call you tomorrow and tell you
09:46   since he’s been sitting next to Mr. Lauterbach, he’s having doubts
09:50   and wanted to hear someone else’s opinion. What advice would you give him if he wanted to know
09:54   what should be changed about the government’s Corona policy?
09:57   What would be your advice to Mr. Spahn?
10:00   As a doctor, what would you tell him? Just as a reminder,
10:03   I’m speaking to doctors at the demonstration.
10:06   What’s your advice for Jens Spahn? —Self-responsibility. Encourage people to strengthen
10:11   their immune systems, instead of spreading fear. Explain to people how they can strengthen their
10:17   own immune systems, so that they can survive this disease without any problems.
10:22   Do not isolate the elderly. They should be given respect and affection because it strengthens
10:31   their immune system. That’s what they need.
10:36   Don’t blame the entire population or give everyone a guilt trip
10:41   For killing granny/grandpa. Especially our children. —You’re against mandatory masks, I guess?
10:49   I’m against mandatory masks and all of these measures.
10:55   These measures treat us, not just doctors,
10:59   but it treats us as citizens like underage children, and if we behave,
11:03   for Easter we’ll be permitted to do a Easter egg hunt.
11:09   If we don’t behave, then we’re grounded. —Yep!
11:15   I received a nasty letter from the Physicians’ Association.
11:20   Everything’s horrible. I responded, blah, blah.
11:24   Doesn’t matter. They wrote back saying, well you know,
11:28   Daddy said, OK, but if you steal another cookie,
11:32   you’ll be severely grounded and paddled. That’s what they wrote.
11:36   They threaten me. If I step out of line again,
11:39   with anything to do with Corona, then everything will become difficult.
11:44   That’s where I have to ask myself, aren’t we autonomous and responsible citizens? That’s [?]
11:54   That’s what’s going on the entire time here. If we are good and behave well, then great.
11:59   If not, it isn’t. —You got in trouble because of your view of Corona,
12:02   as a doctor, didn’t reflect the opinion
12:05   of the Physician’s Association? —No, because my name is on the list of Doctors for Clarification.
12:09   That’s the reason. —That is a problem? —Yes. Everyone in my area who is on the same list,
12:16   they all received the same nasty letters. —What’s your opinion of the vaccination policy?
12:22   Please stop spreading fear and spread awareness. Shed light on it, explain it, and explain it more.
12:26   That what I’m doing in my practice. It’s important to explain
12:30   that we know nothing about these vaccines at the moment.
12:33   We don’t know what will happen. We especially don’t know what will happen when a vaccinated
12:37   person encounters the “wild” form of Corona. Perhaps this November or something.
12:46   There were experiments conducted on animals with the Corona vaccine, and then infected with Corona.
12:51   There have been ten years of experimentation on the mRNA vaccinations and it always fizzled out.
12:58   While doing animal studies, the animals more or less survived
13:02   the vaccination, but when they were infected
13:05   with the “wild” form of Corona, 100% of the animals died.
13:10   So that’s why all the study results landed
13:15   in the garbage can, and started over from the beginning, because it didn’t work. My question is:
13:21   Why were no animal studies done for these vaccines?
13:25   And what will happen this winter when these people
13:28   come into contact with the “wild” form of Corona?
13:32   Based on past experience with coronavirus vaccines,
13:35   There’s no idea of what might happen. I’m skeptical.
13:38   What advice do you give your older patients, those older than 80?
13:41   Wait. —Wait. You’re not telling them not to vaccinate in general. —Wait. —For now, wait.
13:45   You lack confidence in the vaccine at the moment? —Yes, absolutely. Absolutely.
13:49   Mr. Cichutek, from the Paul Ehrlich Institute said it’s safe,
13:52   and Mr. Wieler said, “just one little poke and you’re safe.”
13:55   Exactly. That why they recalled it recently, right? Because it is so safe, huh?
14:00   At that point, the general public should be asking themselves
14:03   if what is claimed about safety is correct.
14:06   So if you say something like that as a doctor openly, then you have to be
14:10   afraid of repercussions. —Yes. —So it’s better to conceal your identity.
14:15   Yes, that’s it. —Your colleagues are probably treating you as an enemy.
14:19   Nah, a couple of my colleagues had some trouble
14:23   because patients reported them to the Physicians’ Association.
14:28   Or they were reported by relatives of patients who never visited their practices.
14:32   That happened to one colleague. Relatives of patients, who had never been in the doctor’s office,
14:36   wrote nasty letters to the Physicians’ Association. That happens sometimes.
14:40   It even happened to me once about a marital dispute. I got a letter
14:45   from the Physicians’ Association telling me how horrible I am. Then I got another letter from
14:48   the Physicians’ Association, including the complaint, and they requested that I state my position.
14:52   I did that and it was over. Now, anyone can write a letter
14:55   to the Physicians’ Association, and straightaway an investigation
14:59   for professional misconduct is initiated. Doctors aren’t even asked about the complaint
15:03   or if any of the claims are correct. None of what was written was true,
15:06   in the letter. That’s what my colleague said.
15:09   A climate of fear for any doctors that are critical? —Yes.
15:13   That’s how it is. I do know that many colleagues
15:16   think the same as we do, but they’re scared.
15:20   They’re afraid to step out of line, and they follow all the —
15:24   what I call — repressive measures, one by one.
15:27   This way they don’t attract attention. They didn’t become
15:30   doctors to have to fight with the police, the health department or the Physicians’ Association.
15:37   So, just to make sure I understood you correctly, you’re not saying Covid-19 is harmless, but
15:41   the level of danger is being exaggerated. In your opinion, how could something like that happen,
15:46   because it’s the same in almost every European country? Even outside the EU, in Russia, Belarus,
15:53   in the Ukraine and many states in the U.S. have gone back a few steps. Same in the third world.
16:00   Why is that? Have we turned into a society of panic? What’s going on? —Let me just put it this way:
16:07   fear is a good tool for governance.
16:12   Frightened sheep can be controlled by two dogs.
16:17   If sheep confidently walked around on their own, a few more dogs are needed to herd them.
16:22   That’s what we see here today. —That’s sinister.
16:27   You’re mean, but you meant it metaphorically.
16:32   Yes, that was a metaphorical description. So why or how it is the way it is, I have no idea.
16:38   All I can say is, it’s not about health. That would require a different course of action.
16:43   In that case, I’ve heard the argument that smoking should be illegal.
16:47   Yes, or changing the speed limit to 120 kmh on all national highways or something like that.
16:51   That would certainly save more lives. It would save young people’s lives. And so forth. Exactly.
16:57   For cardiovascular disease, nicotine is at the top of the list as risk factor.
17:03   In Germany, 35% of deaths are caused
17:08   by cardiovascular disease, and of those, a large number
17:13   are caused by nicotine. That should be the first thing. In that case, the cigarette industry
17:18   would go bankrupt, but not the entire middle class. —You can’t understand why this is happening?
17:24   I understand that it is NOT about health and it didn’t take me long to figure that out.
17:29   I tell my patients that as well. It’s not about health,
17:32   because that would require a different course
17:35   of action. Why it is happening? I have no idea and I’m not sure I’ll ever find out.
17:39   Do you think there is a larger conspiracy? —I don’t think anything at all. I simply think that —
17:44   [reference to the sign] Exactly. So, I don’t think anything at all. I don’t know.
17:48   You could imagine many things and discuss that for hours. Go ahead. —I feel the same way,
17:52   I simply don’t know either and say I don’t know. I can’t claim that I know anything. —Me neither.
17:56   I’m just very confused because I see many contradictions. —Exactly. Exactly. Let’s just say,
18:00   the things we are being told are so off-the-wall that my response is:
18:05   “Don’t think I’m stupid, because I’m not.”
18:14   In addition to that, all critical voices are silenced, one could even say they’re suppressed.
18:18   If everything made logical sense, then no problem. Why don’t they sit down and have a discussion
18:24   with Prof. Bhakdi and all the others? Dr. Wodarg as well.
18:27   They can conduct an open discussion on T.V.
18:30   and prove what they claim is nonsense, right? —Exactly right. —Sure, they said
18:38   that they would discuss it. Based on my experience in journalism,
18:42   historically, those who won’t discuss something
18:45   and suppress other voices are usually the ones who are wrong.
18:48   The essence of a dictatorship is forbidding contrary opinions or worldviews.
18:56   That’s why I was very skeptical right from the beginning.
19:00   I also read about Prof. Bhakdi and so forth. I questioned why
19:03   he isn’t sitting with the other experts. He offered his help
19:06   multiple times, as far as I know. —They could at least listen to him. —Yes, exactly.
19:09   Whether he’s right or wrong, we don’t know. —Yes. I don’t expect that all government officials
19:13   understand medicine, [SIGN: Public Debate with Dr. Wodarg,
19:16   Prof. Bhakdi, Prof. Drosten & Dr. Streeck]
19:19   but I do expect them to ask people who do, before they make decisions for wide-sweeping measures
19:24   and treat us like underage children or slaves.
19:30   Just to conclude, how do you think we’ll reflect on this Corona time period
19:34   in five years? What would be your wish?
19:37   Well, my wish would be that things don’t return to how they were before Corona.
19:46   It can’t. It’s never going to be the same. I believe that. —Why?
19:49   I’m convinced that there’s a totally different
19:52   awareness present within the population. Especially for people
19:56   who have realised that not everything is the way
19:59   the press says it is. This wasn’t difficult for me because
20:04   I grew up in a family that believed that politicians
20:08   lie all the time, and if they aren’t liars they have to prove it.
20:12   So, it wasn’t that difficult, but not everyone thinks this way.
20:16   For many, it was a big step to start thinking for themselves.
20:20   This independent thinking won’t be turned off ever again.
20:25   Of course, I really hope we don’t end up in a dictatorship.
20:28   I couldn’t bear that, so that’s why I’m here.
20:31   I don’t think that will happen though. I really believe things will change for the better.
20:35   From what I’ve seen here today, I’m completely convinced that, yes, this will change things
20:39   for the better. Just because the good will win,
20:45   but with a greater awareness even for the environment and the rest.
20:51   We can’t ignore the positive effect of the lockdown.
20:57   Should people really be flying to Rome for the weekend?
21:06   Is that really necessary? It’s just a question. It’s very chic. I’m not saying I didn’t do that,
21:12   but in the end we need to ask ourselves what we are doing with our planet. So that’s my wish.
21:20   That the positive aspects are pursued and there’s a discussion about what we can do.
21:27   To move away from a superficial nature,
21:34   living just to have fun and a hedonistic society.
21:40   That should be reconsidered following this time period
21:46   in order to develop a renewed consciousness.
21:51   A last question, then I’ll leave you alone, I promise.
21:59   As a journalist, I want to know if your public broadcast
22:06   license fees are well-invested?
22:12   The only thing I’ll say to that is, at our house, sometimes my husband wants to watch the news,
22:20   and he asks me to leave. I can’t watch it anymore because I get so upset. —That bad?
22:27   Yes, really. My husband tells me the absolute essentials,
22:31   what I need to know. I don’t want it anymore.
22:34   I don’t want to hear it, see it or anything else.
22:37   You just have to pay for it. —Unfortunately, yes.
22:40   That’s the way it is. So, it’s not a good investment. —Not good.
22:44   So, I thank you very much and I wish you a nice day.
22:48   Thank you, and I wish you the best. Thanks. —What I really like is,
22:54   you ask real questions and here you actually get an answer.
22:59   I understand what you are referring to.
23:04   This is a livestream, you are aware of that, right? —You sit at the source, could you please ask
23:09   what will happen to the people who definitely won’t allow themselves to be vaccinated.
23:15   Does that mean we won’t be able to go out or do anything anymore? Will we be locked up?
23:21   No, the official information is that there won’t be
23:24   any negative consequences, but between the lines
23:27   you can read there will be privileges for those who got the vaccination. We don’t know for sure,
23:32   but according to official information there won’t be any negative consequences.
23:36   The huge contradiction here, as I understand it, and you would know about it better as a doctor;
23:40   so please correct me if I’m wrong, is that there is still no evidence of complete protection.
23:46   This means it’s not 100% proven that the vaccinated
23:49   won’t still spread the virus. That is a key point.
23:52   Why should anyone get privileges if they are still
23:55   spreading the virus? At the moment, we just don’t know. —Exactly.
24:00   There is no complete protection. —It’s not yet proven. —My patients ask me this very often:
24:04   “What happens if I don’t get vaccinated?” I tell them, worrying is defined as
24:08   trying to solve problems that aren’t there. —No, that’s right. —So let’s just wait.
24:14   Before it happens, you can’t say anything about it anyway. There are no official statements,
24:21   and you can’t lock up half or two-thirds of the population.
24:25   That’s why it’s good not to get vaccinated at the moment.