The following article about an argument in a talk show on German TV has been translated by Hellequin GB. The translator includes this introductory note:
Another day in the open-air lunatic asylum… and barely surviving.
The self-righteous Hounds of Corona are calling for the head of Dr. Klaus Reinhardt, the President of the German Medical Association, because of this.
The translated article from the news site watson.de:
Markus Lanz is stunned by the medical practitioner’s statement about the mask requirement
How can we continue to get through the Corona pandemic safely?
What will our future look like?
What kind of world will it be? Markus Lanz [talk show on ZDF named after its moderator] was about the really big questions on Wednesday evening 2020 — and it got hot.
While the philosopher Richard David Precht and the entrepreneur Frank Thelen fought for the future, the moderator Markus Lanz and Dr. Klaus Reinhardt got into each other’s hair because of the Corona mask requirement. The author Gabriele Krone-Schmalz only has the chair between the disputing parties.
These were the guests on Markus Lanz on Wednesday:
- Richard David Precht, philosopher
- Frank Thelen, entrepreneur
- Gabriele Krone-Schmalz, author
- Dr. Klaus Reinhardt, physician
Markus Lanz and Dr. Klaus Reinhardt started the show heatedly. Corona has been the top topic at “Markus Lanz” for months. Anyone who thought that this topic must have been discussed long ago was taught better in the previous broadcast. Because on this Wednesday evening, the Corona crisis was rolled out again and the moderator Markus Lanz and the medical doctor Klaus Reinhardt lost themselves, right at the beginning of the talk show, in a fundamental discussion — and that on several points. In the end, not even the mask should be a safe remedy against Corona. But one after the other.
At the beginning of the show, Dr. Klaus Reinhardt, who had already tested positive for COVID-19 himself, had an absolutely relaxed position regarding Corona. When asked about his assessment of the current situation, the President of the German Medical Association replied: “I would describe the situation in Germany as totally compensated.”
Using a graphic, Reinhardt explained that the number of Corona infections is higher than in the spring, but that Germany is far from reaching its limits in intensive care medicine.
Markus Lanz assessed the statistics more critically and asked: “Can you put it that way? Or was the number of people infected in the spring presumably very, very much higher?”
The moderator explained: “I keep hearing from experts: We probably had a factor of ten in the spring, about ten times as many cases as assumed.”
Reinhardt countered that there were fewer tests in the spring. In relation to the tests, the positive rate, i.e. the number of infected people, is still moderate; here it is 10 percent to 3.6 percent.
Lanz is scared of the Corona curve — not so the doctor
Lanz evidently was not calmed down by these numbers — on the contrary. Looking at another graphic, the moderator wanted to convince the doctor: “Mr. Reinhardt, if you look at it. This curve, if we now look all the way to the right, we see a very high deflection at the back.” Lanz explained: “This curve scares me when I see it that way.”
But Dr. Klaus Reinhardt remained true to his sober assessment: “That is the number of new infections. It says nothing about how many people are newly infected and it also says nothing about how many people are seriously sick. That the curve increases should warrant our attention.” Reinhardt is certain: “There is no reason to panic.”
The suggestion of the physician Reinhardt: In order to keep the death rate low, young people in society should instead stay away from at-risk patients, and older people should behave more cautiously.
Markus Lanz reacted skeptically: “We are an old society. We cannot separate that out at all. It doesn’t work.”
Yes, said Reinhardt: “People with a certain risk may have to be more careful when dealing with them — I think you can expect that, too. An older person cannot behave like someone at 30.”
Medical doctors don’t believe in wearing a mask — Lanz stunned
In the first ten minutes of this Markus Lanz broadcast, the discussion was already well underway. The real controversial topic of the show was still waiting: the mask requirement.
“I’m not convinced,” said Dr. Klaus Reinhardt, confidently expressing his opinion on wearing masks. According to the doctor, there is “no scientific evidence” for the benefit of everyday masks in every situation.
With reference to convincing studies, Markus Lanz remarked in disbelief: “The President of the German Medical Association is sitting here right now and says there is no evidence for masks — I will record that again.”
Reinhardt, who was announced on the program with a plea that one should pay attention to one’s language in the Corona debate, justified himself with the words: “I definitely do not want to be instrumentalized for this mask war — in quotation marks.” “Why war?” asked Lanz like a shot from a pistol, and continued the rhetoric.
Reinhardt did not want to put himself in line with opponents of the mask, he said. Masks in a dense crowd, yes, but not if the necessary distance can be maintained. The doctor explained: “I see problems with this, and I think that we as a society should not allow ourselves to think about whether masking has to become a standard.”
Lanz reacted mockingly to statements by doctor Dr. Reinhardt
Lanz states polemically: “That is probably a philosophical question.” With reference to the guest Richard David Precht, the moderator rebuked Reinhardt in his role: “Excuse me; you are a doctor. The philosopher is sitting here.”
When in his arguments Dr. Klaus Reinhardt went back to the 1970s and compared the ban on masking that was enacted at the time with the currently ordered masking requirement, Markus Lanz was obviously soon no longer able to adhere to it.
“But in the 1970s, again, it wasn’t about whether you could get infected with Corona or not.”
When Dr. Reinhardt referred to the importance of facial expressions in the treatment of patients, Lanz asked mockingly: “May I ask, Mr. Reinhardt, where did you get infected with Corona? — I can guess why.” Reinhardt, who quickly understood the jab, asked rhetorically and with a smile: “Because I didn’t wear a mask?” The President of the German Medical Association remarked almost gleefully: “I couldn’t wear a mask at the time because we didn’t have one.” He ended the discussion with a laugh in the group for the time being.
Lanz adds again: “Don’t be angry with me”
For now, because for Markus Lanz the mask discussion was far from over.
Richard David Precht agreed with the physician Reinhardt and spoke of a “carnival of opinion” in science with regard to the usefulness of masks.
And Markus Lanz insisted on referring once again to the seriousness of the situation and the responsibility of the medical professional in his position as President of the German Medical Association: “Mr. Reinhardt, don’t be angry with me, but as you have just said, you can at least be misunderstand by them and one can take that at the demo tomorrow and say that the masks are really difficult.”
At this point, Dr. Klaus Reinhardt had no choice but to backtrack a little and make his point clear again: masks yes, but the regulations should be in relation to the prevention of infection.