Earlier this month Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orbán met with German Chancellor Angela Merkel in Berlin. Hungary and Germany are polar opposites on the migration issue, so it’s no surprise that the two leaders could agree on only blandest of generalities concerning immigration into Europe.
The following video shows the press conference held by Mrs. Merkel and Mr. Orbán after their discussions. If you can dig your way through the Mutti-speak used by Angela Merkel, you’ll notice the essential difference between the two leaders: Chancellor Merkel’s most important concern is “humaneness” towards the migrants, while Prime Minister Orbán focuses on national sovereignty, border security, and the protection of the Hungarian nation.
Many thanks to Ava Lon for translating the German, to CrossWare for translating the Hungarian, and to Vlad Tepes for the subtitling:
Video transcript:
00:10 | Ladies and gentlemen, I’m happy to welcome our guest, Hungarian Prime Minister | |
00:15 | Viktor Orbán. We have had an intense | |
00:20 | discussion about different political aspects. There were | |
00:25 | common points of view; there were also, however, different points of view, | |
00:30 | as was to be expected. When I start a bilateral relationship, I have to say that we | |
00:35 | have an excellent and increasingly growing economic exchange. | |
00:40 | Our added value-chains, especially in the area of car manufacturing, but not only | |
00:46 | there, are closely linked. We have reached a trading volume of about | |
00:51 | €50 billion per year. This is a lot when looking at the size of Hungary, | |
00:56 | and I think that this is very very good. | |
01:01 | Hungary is a very attractive place to invest because of its tax regulations, | |
01:06 | and we also talked about the fact that we will now cooperate in the area of technology | |
01:11 | and research, concerning changes in the automobile industry. | |
01:16 | More precisely: the driverless car, but also new driving gear technologies. | |
01:21 | This is very important. Next year we’ll be looking back on thirty years, | |
01:27 | looking at 1989. In 1989 something happened in Hungary, which Germany will never forget: | |
01:37 | it was the opening of the border with Austria. | |
01:42 | For us — a deep experience, linked of course with | |
01:47 | the fact that back then our road to freedom began, which | |
01:52 | we couldn’t have taken if there were no Solidarnosc in Poland, | |
01:57 | if there were no 1968, also 1953 in Hungary; and then | |
02:02 | these Hungarian guests who are very important to us, and we talked about it, | |
02:05 | how we could together celebrate with all the countries that I just mentioned. | |
02:13 | We have talked about dismantling trade [barriers] there [Hungary], | |
02:18 | that we don’t support protectionist ways. Especially looking now at the questions | |
02:23 | of relations with the USA. And we also talked | |
02:28 | of course about the migration questions. There is the German point of view, | |
02:33 | very different from the Hungarian point of view. In the aspects like, | |
02:37 | which —I would say— belong to the inside of the Schengen space, | |
02:42 | concerning the responsibility for quotas and other things. | |
02:46 | We are working well together in the area of Frontex, we work well together in the area | |
02:50 | of development aid, we’re working — Hungary and Germany together — on projects in North | |
02:54 | Africa, in order to help combat the reasons for the flight [of migrants from Africa], | |
02:58 | and this [cooperation] has to grow further and continue, and | |
03:03 | so far I would say that the discussion was important. | |
03:07 | Unfortunately, the prime minister does not see the recommendations of the Venice commission | |
03:11 | — which are point in the direction of the Rule of Law — in the same way | |
03:16 | we would have imagined, but there will also be later contacts with the European Commission. | |
03:20 | Altogether an important visit, dear Viktor, and I believe that also | |
03:24 | it is important that we keep up the exchange of different opinions. | |
03:28 | And concerning the links between people of our countries: | |
03:32 | there are intense contacts. We just talked discussed that many tourists are back at the… | |
03:37 | at the… Balcan Lake… the… Lake Baikal… Lake Balaton, I’m already… | |
03:41 | to Lake Balaton, and they see Hungary as a holiday destination again, and this is good. | |
03:46 | I insist on human contacts between both our countries. | |
03:56 | I would like to also welcome you here: Good day! | |
04:00 | We have been through some intense discussions, | |
04:04 | whose tones were friendly. | |
04:08 | We would like to thank Germany for its | |
04:12 | cooperation and friendship, which we experienced in the past | |
04:16 | decades and is still unbroken. | |
04:20 | Thirty years is a long time. | |
04:24 | We are also happy that there was a moment, when Hungarians and Germans | |
04:28 | — in the interest of Europe — made an important | |
04:32 | and great alliance, in the interest of the future, | |
04:36 | we broke the division of Europe and initiated the reunification of the continent. | |
04:40 | …We will be happy | |
04:44 | if we can have such events [to commemorate the unification]. | |
04:48 | As far as the economy is concerned, | |
04:52 | obviously in Germany they should also know that we build a work-based economy, | |
04:56 | where the goal is to reach full employment. | |
05:00 | And to that the German-Hungarian economic | |
05:04 | cooperation adds a lot. | |
05:08 | The numbers about cooperation and investment between the two countries are fantastic. | |
05:12 | We posed the question today: what can we do | |
05:16 | so that this may continue? | |
05:20 | And what can we see that we might make our ties closer in the area of innovation | |
05:23 | and technological cooperation? And we agreed that on both sides | |
05:28 | a small group will be created that will be working together | |
05:32 | to raise suggestions in the area of innovation and technological cooperation. | |
05:36 | We touched on the dimension of defense. | |
05:40 | Hungary was one of the first to suggest a European army and the creation | |
05:43 | of a unified defense policy. We are still committed in that direction. | |
05:48 | We would like to see a European defense industry, | |
05:52 | and would like to see the modernization of the Hungarian army take place on a European | |
05:56 | basis. In that area we would also like to cooperate with Germany. | |
06:00 | I was specifically asked this by Madame Chancellor. | |
06:04 | There is cooperation for development in the Middle East and North Africa, | |
06:08 | …to help communities in trouble, | |
06:12 | that is what we talked about together. We decided to continue that cooperation as well. | |
06:16 | …I informed Madame Chancellor | |
06:20 | there is only one country in the non-German-speaking world | |
06:24 | where a child who is born, from kindergarten to university, | |
06:28 | can receive an education in German. This country is Hungary. | |
06:32 | We have 400 elementary and high schools that provide | |
06:36 | education for minorities, and we have 215 kindergartens, | |
06:40 | and outside of the German-language domain, the only German | |
06:44 | university is in Budapest, so we highly appreciate | |
06:48 | the contribution of the German minority to the successes of Hungary, | |
06:52 | and we give them everything they need. I even asked | |
06:56 | that we use the opportunity of having a German-language university | |
07:00 | in Budapest, and change its size and scale; we shall change | |
07:04 | its weight and its activities. We will talk about this in the future. | |
07:08 | And of course we talked about migration. | |
07:12 | … I can only report to you | |
07:16 | that it became clear, what we already knew, | |
07:20 | that Madame Chancellor and myself, Germany and Hungary, | |
07:24 | see the world from a different place. And because we see it from | |
07:28 | a different place, we view it differently. But despite that, | |
07:32 | our cooperation with each other still thrives. The difference of opinion, | |
07:36 | cannot stop us from searching for opportunities for cooperation, | |
07:40 | and I am ready to cooperate with Madame Chancellor in this area as well. | |
07:48 | I assured Madame Chancellor that | |
07:52 | the southern border of Hungary is well-defended. | |
07:56 | Migrants cannot arrive in Hungary from that direction, nor in Austria, nor even Germany. | |
08:00 | That border will be defended by us in the future, too! | |
08:04 | I thanked Madame Chancellor for the cooperation | |
08:08 | that I experienced in the last European Summit. | |
08:12 | And I would like offer our thanks for the two important issues | |
08:16 | concerning migration: the first stage of the border defense | |
08:20 | being put into place, and the creation of hot spots outside of Europe. | |
08:24 | We had an all-European agreement, which would have been not possible | |
08:28 | without the help of Madame Chancellor. That was an old objective for Hungary; I am happy | |
08:32 | that it will be realized. Thank you very much, | |
08:36 | Madame Chancellor, for our discussion today. | |
08:46 | Good day everybody, I am László Mészáros, from Hungarian Television. | |
08:50 | From Madame Chancellor and Mr. Prime Minister both I would like to ask: what would be | |
08:54 | the defense cooperation, along what points do they imagine the cooperation? | |
08:58 | And also I would like to ask you about the organization and | |
09:02 | creation of a common European army… if you could elaborate on that? | |
09:06 | Also I would like to know when this could be realized? Thank you very much. | |
09:13 | Well first, I’m glad that especially | |
09:18 | that where it concerns military equipment and material Hungary | |
09:23 | — which is now updating its army again — chose partnership with Germany | |
09:28 | or Europe; that makes us happy. Secondly, | |
09:33 | we now have a structured cooperation inside the EU. There we want, | |
09:38 | as Germans, to introduce ourselves. We are also there concerning the European | |
09:43 | intervention initiative. We only need to be ever careful that | |
09:48 | we have a parliamentary vote, we are a parliament-approved army | |
09:54 | But the parliament, the German Bundestag, is totally ready | |
09:59 | to act swiftly and also reliably, so that we develop a more European | |
10:04 | common culture. I won’t immediately discuss a common army; this is not | |
10:09 | the subject now; but a common strategic structure and | |
10:14 | an end of what sets Europe apart right now, is that the Americans | |
10:19 | don’t even have fifty weapon systems, while we, in Europe, have 178. And with that of course also | |
10:24 | for every device —different training, different maintenance; so we have to simplify our platform, | |
10:29 | and then, from that will result a much better common European signal, | |
10:34 | which, incidentally, isn’t supposed to be turned against NATO, but to amend it, and for NATO | |
10:40 | it will be also easier to use then, when we all arrive there with our peculiarities. This is | |
10:44 | my point of view, and Germany and Hungary are working on it together closely. | |
10:54 | At this point I would not touch the philosophical question of the | |
10:58 | common European army… | |
11:02 | However, Hungary supports this. There are two concrete issues we can | |
11:06 | talk about: one is that there is no | |
11:10 | NATO Division Command in Central Europe yet, | |
11:14 | and we need to create one. We have one in North and in the South, | |
11:18 | and with the mentoring of Germany, we would like to have a NATO | |
11:22 | Division Command center on Hungarian territory; for this we | |
11:26 | are negotiating with multiple countries, and this could become a reality in the future. | |
11:30 | Another one is the cooperation of the defense industry, which concerns | |
11:34 | Hungary’s necessity to build up its new modern army, | |
11:38 | in NATO there has been a decision that all member countries will increase their spending; | |
11:42 | Hungary will do the same. For this | |
11:46 | we signed some significant framework contracts with large German companies, | |
11:50 | and this development and investment has already started, and until 2024 | |
11:54 | the cooperation between the Hungarian and German industries will be continuous. | |
12:12 | Second question, concerning the order: why are you waiting for the discussions between Germany | |
12:17 | and Austria? do you want to talk with Austria and then with Germany? | |
12:22 | The same question for the chancellor: would Germany be ready to send migrants back to Hungary, | |
12:27 | despite the Stop Soros laws, under which people who want to help migrants | |
12:32 | may possibly be considered criminals, and how do you judge | |
12:37 | the sequence of the discussions until there could be an agreement with Hungary? | |
12:42 | Well, where I’m concerned I can answer this: | |
12:48 | there are very few refugees who come from Hungary who | |
12:53 | are registered in Hungary, and we talked about it very much, in detail. Here Hungary has | |
12:58 | the opinion that even though they are registered in Hungary, but | |
13:03 | did not come from Hungary as their “arrival point” in Schengen, but that those are | |
13:08 | not registered refugees from other countries, especially from Greece, | |
13:13 | and therefore Hungary doesn’t feel at all responsible for the processing of the asylum procedures | |
13:18 | for those refugees. We said here that we can talk, | |
13:23 | and Hungary — but the prime minister can say it himself — | |
13:29 | that the neighboring country is first Austria, where also such refugees arrive, | |
13:34 | and then there’s Germany, and for that reason we would like to talk first with Austria | |
13:37 | and later with Germany, but we generally have the problem | |
13:40 | that Hungary also doesn’t consider itself responsible at all — concerning the Dublin Regulation — | |
13:43 | when it follows the registration [process]. | |
13:52 | Hungary’s viewpoint about migration | |
13:56 | has been unchanged for years now. | |
14:00 | We always honestly indicated this opinion. | |
14:04 | Sometimes these sentences sound strict, | |
14:08 | but about serious things we shall always talk seriously. | |
14:12 | We always tell [how it is] to the Germans too, because owe that much to friends, | |
14:16 | to phrase what we think about migration honestly and directly. | |
14:20 | … Hungary built its | |
14:24 | fence in its southern border, to regain control | |
14:28 | over its own sovereign territory. | |
14:32 | It is impossible for anybody to enter Hungarian territory | |
14:36 | while not obeying the law. We prevented that, | |
14:40 | and the Germans can be certain | |
14:44 | that the Hungarians, like some captain of a border fortress, | |
14:48 | will defend not only Hungary but also Germany. | |
14:52 | We’re taking a huge load off Germany’s shoulders | |
14:56 | when we do not allow anybody enter [illegally] into Hungarian territory. | |
15:00 | The debate that started to unfold here is legal in nature. | |
15:04 | …Because | |
15:08 | Hungary is not the first point of entry into the European Union. | |
15:12 | The first entry point is Greece. | |
15:16 | People can only arrive in Hungary by crossing either Bulgaria or Greece. | |
15:20 | Some via Bulgaria, but the [much] larger crowd entered through Greece into the EU. | |
15:24 | But it often happens that they [the migrants] do not get registered there. | |
15:28 | Hungary’s strategic | |
15:32 | goal is the protection of Europe, | |
15:36 | and that the internal market, protected by the Schengen Agreement, may continue to work uninterrupted. | |
15:40 | So we are not only talking about personal safety, but | |
15:44 | the protected internal market — which is what the Schengen agreement is all about — | |
15:48 | MUST CONTINUE TO WORK! Because of that, | |
15:52 | while our job would not be to register those who arrive at the Hungarian border, | |
15:56 | because they came from Greece but there they avoided that [registration], | |
16:00 | we register them, but we do not acknowledge that Hungary could have been the first point | |
16:04 | where they entered to the territory of the EU. Because of that — we believe — the Germans | |
16:08 | should send the people back to Greece and not Hungary. | |
16:12 | This will be a long arduous legal battle, but we are ready to discuss that. | |
16:25 | Hungarian Echo Television, I would like | |
16:29 | ask Frau Merkel: what do you think — how can Germany | |
16:33 | and the V4 work together in the future? | |
16:37 | For example, economically. | |
16:41 | I’ll perhaps go back to the previous question. | |
16:45 | I think that it’s right and important that | |
16:49 | Hungary as the country on the outer Schengen border | |
16:53 | takes care of the control of the outside border there. | |
16:57 | I always have said so, and this outside border has to | |
17:01 | be protected. It’s very difficult to protect it | |
17:06 | at sea, the way we can on land, but | |
17:10 | Hungary is — concerning the Serbian border — a country on the outer | |
17:14 | part of Schengen. But the problem | |
17:18 | that I see, and where there’s difference, is | |
17:22 | that we always have to think about and shouldn’t forget that it’s at the end, | |
17:26 | not “at the end”… that it’s about PEOPLE. It’s about people | |
17:30 | who arrive in our country, and this is related | |
17:34 | to Europe’s basic message. And this | |
17:38 | is “humaneness”. It means we take care of protecting our outside borders | |
17:43 | but not with the goal of simply fencing ourselves off, | |
17:47 | only fencing off, I mean, | |
17:51 | like a fortress, I would say, but on the contrary: my deep conviction | |
17:55 | is that it’s right to act against the smugglers and carriers, because they obviously bring people | |
18:00 | in need; because they lead people first through the Sahara, they put people in danger | |
18:03 | in the Mediterranean Sea, they take a lot of money from them. | |
18:07 | This is all despicable we cannot build on that, but I believe… and I believe therein lies | |
18:11 | the difference: the soul of Europe is humaneness | |
18:16 | and this should, if we want to keep it, when Europe is supposed | |
18:20 | to play a role in the world with its values then Europe cannot simple disconnect itself | |
18:24 | from the needy and the suffering, and this means for one thing development aid, | |
18:28 | but it also has to mean legal quotas for migrants | |
18:32 | or places at the universities, or [taking in] specialists | |
18:36 | whom we need and who also fulfill our interests. | |
18:40 | and this should be the new partnership with Africa. This is perhaps | |
18:44 | the difference that we have, where the prime minister says that | |
18:48 | which is not my opinion, but I believe that this has very much to do with Europe and its values. | |
18:52 | Now back to what we can do with the Visegrád countries. Of course we have | |
18:56 | also discussed controversial questions with one another. We belong to one EU. Still, | |
19:01 | we managed it to create a common agreement concerning migration. | |
19:05 | And there we had to go far from Italy, | |
19:09 | which has many arriving migrants from the point of view of | |
19:13 | Visegrád Countries [which have zero migrants], and it was in any case successful. But we could | |
19:17 | also work on the economic and research work, and I named one field: | |
19:21 | the large, radical changes in the digital field, | |
19:25 | in artificial intelligence, driverless cars, the question of alternative | |
19:29 | driving gears. This is good to work on with Hungary, with Slovakia, | |
19:33 | who are suppliers; it’s good to work on with Poland; I discussed it in Prague | |
19:37 | and here we can do a lot, and I want to underline | |
19:41 | — concerning the economic competitiveness — that the means by which Europe | |
19:46 | supports Hungary and the others are very well-used, | |
19:50 | when you look at the growth of Hungary: it’s 5% or so or even above, | |
19:54 | when you look at unemployment; there is no unemployment among young people. | |
19:58 | This means that those countries are really on a very good level, | |
20:02 | and therefore we can even learn something concerning competitiveness. | |
20:06 | And concerning the simplicity of the tax system, Hungary | |
20:10 | is of course way ahead, and so those are things, on which we | |
20:14 | can have very good exchanges. | |
20:24 | I would like to underline a data point here, | |
20:28 | the volume of trade the V4 (four countries) have with Germany | |
20:32 | is 50% higher than the German-French economic volume, | |
20:36 | … and Italy | |
20:40 | is only one third of the V4-German economic volume. | |
20:44 | This shows that we have a new reality unfolding in front of our eyes, | |
20:48 | in which the V4 are important players. And I am convinced | |
20:52 | that from the point of view of dynamism and growth, the economic locomotive | |
20:56 | of the future lies somewhere in V4-German cooperation. | |
21:00 | That is the most dynamically growing cooperation. | |
21:04 | I would like to return to just one issue: about the | |
21:08 | question of humanity. Because Madame Chancellor with | |
21:12 | geometrical precision draws up the dilemma. | |
21:16 | The question is, who can we humanely help? | |
21:20 | For this, we have different answers… We think | |
21:24 | one may help humanely if | |
21:28 | no “pull factor” applies. So if the EU | |
21:32 | provides help to the migrants, | |
21:36 | and from that the conclusion is drawn in Africa | |
21:40 | and Asia that they CAN come, they WILL come. | |
21:44 | So when we are humane, | |
21:48 | we must be humane without the “pull factor”, and we know only one solution for that: | |
21:52 | Close the borders and send the help there, | |
21:56 | instead of letting in those who bring trouble. | |
22:00 | WE DO NOT WANT TO IMPORT PROBLEMS. This is the difference in approach between us, but | |
22:04 | this very significant difference of opinion does not block us from | |
22:08 | trying to cooperate, even on this demanding and difficult problem, too. | |
22:18 | Prime minister, | |
22:22 | the German federal government has substantially moved | |
22:25 | in your direction concerning the subject of asylum. | |
22:31 | Will Hungary — concerning solidarity — now take a step | |
22:35 | in the direction of Germany? Chancellor, are you finally admitting | |
22:39 | — with the asylum compromise — that Mr. Orbán was right in 2015 | |
22:43 | at least formally? And you have | |
22:47 | touched on the subject of trade, that the CDU Economy Council | |
22:52 | pronounced itself to be for zero customs duty for cars between the EU | |
22:56 | and the USA. Would you also endorse it as the solution | |
23:00 | of the transatlantic duty dispute? | |
23:10 | Yes, in commercial policies, today I ascertained that | |
23:14 | between the German and Hungarian government we have full agreement | |
23:18 | on commercial political issues. We both have vested interests in low customs fees | |
23:22 | because we feel we have the competitiveness | |
23:26 | in our economies to keep up the competition. | |
23:33 | Well, concerning the question of migration, I see | |
23:37 | the year 2015 as an | |
23:41 | exceptional humanitarian situation. I spoke about it often, that we | |
23:45 | messed up all together: taking care of the refugees camps in Syria, | |
23:49 | taking care of many refugees in Turkey, and we are both | |
23:54 | in agreement, concerning the fact that we have to protect our outer borders, and | |
23:58 | that we cannot rest when it comes to illegal migration organized by carriers and smugglers. | |
24:02 | This has to be prevented in any case, this means that because of that we | |
24:06 | signed the EU-Turkey agreement, in order to say, | |
24:10 | but we take also the refugees from Turkey — and there comes the difference — | |
24:14 | whom we later also in Germany… | |
24:18 | who can then come to Germany or other European countries, because we believe that Turkey | |
24:22 | wouldn’t have signed any agreement with us if we | |
24:27 | didn’t take this [responsibility]: On one hand taking care of refugees close to home, | |
24:31 | and also certain groups in Germany. And I believe also | |
24:35 | with African countries we can never abide illegality. | |
24:39 | That cannot be done between governments. But when it’s about Ghana, Nigeria or other countries, | |
24:43 | then it’s about helping them — and there we are again in agreement— but | |
24:48 | it’s also about, I think that this help also includes | |
24:52 | for example places at university, offered in Germany, or that we offer jobs | |
24:56 | for a certain time period; and I think there’s the difference, and I believe | |
25:00 | that we come to those “hot spots” — as | |
25:04 | Viktor Orbán called them — in an African country, but only | |
25:08 | if we talk with this country, and if this country can itself say what they want; and the | |
25:12 | African Union has also developed a migration concept. | |
25:16 | This is new, a migration coordinating office will be created in Morocco, | |
25:20 | which will be the discussion partner from the side of the African Union with the EU. | |
25:24 | Those are moving towards one another, but they have, | |
25:29 | but we have said right away, if there’s no also legal possibility whatsoever | |
25:33 | of coming to Europe, then the working with Africa will be difficult. | |
25:37 | And therefore we have to keep this point in mind, but we cannot | |
25:41 | entrust it to smugglers and carriers. There we are in agreement again. | |
25:45 | Now concerning trade. There we are in agreement as well. It’s only so, that we need a European | |
25:49 | agreement, when we want to work on custom duty, for example | |
25:53 | in the area of cars, a common European position, | |
25:58 | if it exists, is being worked on, and then it means | |
26:02 | the duties, the lowering of duties — for which | |
26:06 | I would be ready — that it would not only be done with the USA, | |
26:10 | but that we would have it with all countries | |
26:14 | with which we have automobile trade; | |
26:18 | because it otherwise wouldn’t be WFTU conform. | |
26:22 | We could discuss either a large number of duties | |
26:26 | 90 percent of the goods, or | |
26:31 | we could take out separate groups of goods, but the we would have | |
26:35 | make sure that all the trade partners are treated in the same way, | |
26:39 | but it could totally be an option which I could imagine, Jean-Claude Juncker will | |
26:43 | go to Washington, and we have here totally the same position. | |
26:48 | If you will allow me, I would like to say one sentence about solidarity. | |
26:52 | Because this offends us Hungarians, | |
26:56 | …because we feel it is inequitable that Germany | |
27:00 | frequently accuses us of a lack of solidarity. | |
27:04 | I would like to only present that fact that in Hungary | |
27:08 | 24/7, 8,000 people stands armed at the borders, | |
27:12 | and defend that border, which if the migrants were able to cross, they would come to Germany. | |
27:16 | And no matter whether we have an agreement with the Turks, | |
27:20 | if the Hungarian armed forces weren’t defending the Hungarian-Croatian and Hungarian-Serbian borders, | |
27:24 | then around 4,000-5,000 migrants would arrive daily | |
27:28 | in Germany. By contrast, we defend you! | |
27:32 | THAT IS SOLIDARITY! I think it’s serious solidarity. | |
27:41 | Now a last sentence to the subject of the protection of the outside border, | |
27:45 | which Hungary is taking care of, is being recognized. | |
27:49 | No question about it. The differences between us are in a different field. | |
27:53 | Now let’s take a picture. |
Stable hand “The horse has bolted and has dissapeared over yonder hill !”
Merkel “It is free, I am humane”
Orban “Close the gate!”
Merkel and Orban “Let’s build an army !!!”
Certifiable.
I think Merkel wants an army to control the V4 and other rebels, Orbán wants an army to defend V4 against the muslims and the more and more islamic Germany…
…yes, the way in EU is to find common ground or interest and merge it into something new that is “presentable”. I won’t judge Orban, but while within the EU sphere all national politics becomes tainted by it, it is relentless. The EU army, Frontex, for now look like an assertion of EU territorial reality/control, symbolic of turning Europe into a single nation. I have watched how EU acts regarding questions and disputes re. Gibraltar territorial rights, and it is quite clear that the EU direction is a centralised approach and umbrella authority which member countries then use subordinately, i.e. the map that countries follow is an EU one, not independent policy regarding their neighbours. That is just one more brick in the wall that reduces national meaning and identity to a mere subserviance. Well Hungary has not joined Euro yet, is due to, once that occurs then EU will have its claws in and greatly expanded influence…to my thinking it is simple enough, either you are own country or you are part of EU, cannot really have it both ways, and Orban should/would know this, and that in the long term Hungary will just also be a subsidiary, no matter what concessions and attention it thinks it is currently obtaining. Why is he even bothering talking to Merkel about closing own border ? A country does this by own choice, legally, without need for approval.
If they had kept EU simple, with no Euro, there would not be this kind of dichotomy… but the whole framework was too good to not take advantage of and expand.
There is no “humaneness” in the elimination of the indigenous peoples of Europe. There is no “humaneness” in Mohammedan replacement theology. The “humaneness” of the invading African savages is highly suspect. Merkel is a fraud.
The best part, where Orbán in front of the Chancellor openly advertises Hungary. (Somewhere the 6:00 mark) He says, a German can get an education from birth to university in German language… What is this, if not an advertisement for Germans to move to Hungary?
Angela Merkel: Europe’s Basic Message is “Humaneness”.
That ‘d insanity.
Viktor Orbán: Close the Borders.
This is humaneness.
Does she have brains to understand the difference.
Does she have any motherly / maternity sublime feelings.
Does she possess any quality of having or showing the tenderness and warmth and affection of or befitting a mother
and she she is still in power?
I’m not sure what any of this means.
hi. It means Mr Orban is humane, truthful, logical, and practical. He loves Europe and Europeans. He is a man, but has common sense. Closing the borders is humane because it may avoid the coming EU civil wars in every single country. I hope I ‘d be proven wrong in 15 years. He thinks about the future of Europe to continue in peace and not import “components and agents” of certain future conflict: unavoidable if importing muslims continue. I tell you they want mastery over infidels or death. Mr Orban is equivalent to our series of prophets: Isiah, Daniel, . . . etc. He has brains and anticipates what will happen to Europe as a result of these dark policies of Merkel and her ilk.
On the other hand, Merkel is a woman. It is trendy nowadays to think of women as better leaders because they have those noble inherent feelings of motherly love for their offspring and by extension to the whole of humanity. What a delusion. Spurious inference. Just read One Thousand Nights and One and see and feel the horrific plots schemed by satanic women just like Merkel.
Over the last 30 years jihadis/muslims are committing atrocities in Europe and around the world. But nothing fazes her. How is that I can’t understand.
What humaneness is she talking about: the safety for muslims means death to infidels: Madrid, London 2005, Manchester . . . etc.
Does she have any feelings of humaneness for her poor German people which suffered so much under Hitler and now it’s her turn to follow suit.
Why misery is written on man’s (peoplekind, as some latter day rulers inspire us with fake news and fake rhetoric) fate?
“Man, is never, but always going to be blessed.”
Haven’t listened yet to the video, saving that for later but… what was Merkel referencing at the 0157 mark : also 1953 in Hungary? Surely she didn’t get the date wrong for the Uprising of 1956. Did she?? Did she really??
Then later, did she really not know how to say Lake Balaton?? Really, Lake Baikul?? 0337 at the… Balcan Lake… the… Lake Baikal… Lake Balaton, I’m already…
Or were these just senior moments?
Yes she did. Her brain is gone,… They say she is as much a drinker, than Juncker.
A common EU army sounds like a nightmare come true. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hw2sb8MXUAk