At the request of Vlad Tepes, our Polish correspondent Green Infidel summarized the highlights of a post from the Hungarian nationalist site Kuruc.info about the interaction between Poles and Hungarians at the recent Independence March in Warsaw:
Below are translations from the Polish.
The first photo says: “Today friendship, an alliance in the future”.
Third photo: “A Pole and a Hungarian — two brothers.”[1]
In the video from the 100,000-strong Independence March[2] on 11 November, the chant is “Two brothers — a Pole and a Hungarian”.
The two countries have historically had a lot of links. Some anecdotes from my own experience — when I was once in a hostel in Munich, and some new people came into our dormitory room, they said they were Hungarians. When my friend and I said we were Polish, the Hungarians without hesitation said, “Let’s drink!” (Which may prove the second part of the saying.)
Also, in Budapest, after my girlfriend and I revealed that we were Polish, we were offered free entry to some places.
Historically, at the start of World War II, Hungary, in spite of being on the side of the Axis, refused to take part in the invasion of Poland (which greatly angered Hitler) and took in some Polish refugees. (Though none of this detracts from their appalling actions concerning the Jews.)
Notes:
| 1. | This phrase alludes to a saying (in Polish): “Polak, Wegier — dwa bratanki. Do szabli i do szklanki”. In English: “A Pole and a Hungarian — two brothers. To the sword and to the glass.” | |
| 2. | A friend of a friend, a reputable award-winning photographer who was at the Independence March (although in the past was not always so enthusiastic about it), says that in his opinion there were 200,000 or more at the march. A record turnout (in previous years there were 50,000 or so). |
It is good to hear that in some parts of Europe that people are not “Poles apart.” 🙂
Hungarians don’t say: “A good Pole is a deed Pole”.
I like your pun.
That’s real brotherhood. That’s real logical, reasonable, realistic thinking based on what actually is happening. Why other countries ( Germany, France, Scandinavia . . . ) not think the same way. Do master races have low keen observation? Why wisdom is so difficult to obtain and practice?
Bravo Hungary and Poland…. they saved Europe from the followers pf the Pirate Highwayman. Didn’t Britain and France sacrifice their soldiers on the alter of Turkey in Crimean War (1853- 1856).
Oh how ungrateful Turks not paying their respects to the French victims and the Republic.
Istanbul fans boo minute of silence for Paris attacks, chant “Allahu akbar” before Turkey vs Greece soccer friendly
No reciprocation. Only Adam embraces the serpent, and the serpent is always ready to strike. Honeysuckles embracing the thorn.
What happened during Turkey – Greece match isn’t such simple issue. Earlier this year there were terrorist attacks in Ankara (Turkey capital) with high death toll. When Turkey asked FIFA for minute of silence before first match after that event FIFA refused. Fans had the right to boycott minute of silence for foreign country when they weren’t granted same thing for their own country.
was that for a South Pole or a Northern Pole?
Like the Czechs and Slovaks, both nations had enough of dictatorships, fascist and communist, in the last century (not to mention previous empires). Having a woman from Germany, and former East Germany at that, whom they didn’t elect, tell them how many immigrants to take, doesn’t go down too well.
I know I’m not the first to make the point, but it bears repeating. It would be interesting to hear Takuan’s views?
More good news. I don’t know what the establishment is up to – you can exhaust yourself trying to work it out, but I get the feeling that things are looking more favourable.
I’d like to see a greater flow of information regarding the German situation. Seems there isn’t much reporting coming out of the area except for GoV.
Another one coming up shortly!
The hijrah to Western Europe may create a European unity of sorts, but not the one the EU was planning on. The best-laid plans . . .
This unity was predicted by Bat Ye’or in her book, Eurabia. As she documented so well in that book of 2005, this was mainly de Gaulle’s bright idea.
For a good look at how her thought evolved over many decades, though, see this book:
Understanding Dhimmitude
That is a collection of her speeches over the span of four decades. As such, it provides a window into the evolution of her thought.
Because of our familiarity with Bat Ye’or’s ground-breaking work, I wanted to see just how badly wikipedia handled her work. For the most part, meh.
In the footnotes, though, there is a moving excerpt from an interview she gave:
I was born in Egypt, in Cairo, into a family of the Jewish bourgeoisie, of an Italian father and a French mother. My grandfather, to whom Egyptian nationality was accorded by exception, was crowned Bey by the Ottoman sultan. My father decided to renounce Italian nationality as a result of Mussolini’s racist laws, but when Nasser came to power, my mother’s goods were confiscated because she was French and my father’s because he was Jewish. We were forced to stay home, we were chased out of public places and at that moment we decided to flee Egypt. Many fled secretly from fear of being imprisoned. We were forced, like all Egyptian Jews, to sign papers according to which we renounced all our goods, our passport and our nationality, for those who had it, since the Jews had been for the most part Ottoman subjects and not Egyptian. The Jews promised in writing not to demand anything of the Egyptian State. The only right we had was to take one suitcase, which was searched and thrown to the ground and 20 Egyptian pounds that were taken from us anyway by the customs officials, not to mention the insults and acts of terror in front of my parents, both of whom were invalids.
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That Bat Ye’or wiki is a prime example of the skewing to the left of all their entries dealing with history, politics, or public figures on the right. The criticisms of her work (she’s not a “real historian”, etc), the carping about her use of “dhimmitude” as taking away from the ‘reality’ of the protected life we fortunate dhimmis live under Islam, her “conspiracies”, and so on, make wikipedia a less-than-accurate venue for political philosophy.
As you read further down on the Bat Ye’or entry, the negativity increases – she’s not a “real historian” (meaning not academically credentialed – a Leftist deflection of all those on the right who choose to live outside the ivied ghetto. This same stricture doesn’t apply to leftist writers). Nonetheless, if you bracket the usual attacks -e.g., her daring to popularize the word “dhimmitude” – and ignore the envious carping by academic critics, you can piece together her biography. Especially helpful are a number of the footnotes.
Come to think of it, that’s how I use wikipedia: to find original sources collected in the footnotes that I’d have trouble accessing otherwise.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bat_Ye'or
[However bad it may be on history, current events, or people, the wikis on any variety of non-politicized subjects is invaluable… Yesterday a friend said her husband had been diagnosed with diverticulitis. Without hesitation, I sat her down in front of the wiki page. It describes diverticulosis and how it gets to the “itis” part in far better detail than she’d ever get from his rushed doctor. At other times I’ve used it for information on plants, chemistry, the movement of the East Coast Woodland Indians, etc. On such subjects, there is no better place to begin.]
The link goes back a long time. In 1576 the Hungarian Stephen Báthory became the third elected king of Poland, and had a successful reign.
Even earlier (1300-1500) Hungary and Poland had rulers from the same dynasty and even same rulers for some time.
The friendship between Hungary and Poland goes back to centuries. The Congress of Visegrád in 1335 occured in Visegrád in which Casimir III of Poland, Charles I of Hungary, and John I of Bohemia formed an anti-Habsburg alliance. That’s why Hungary, Poland, the Czech Republic and Slovakia are called the V4 (Visegrad countries) (Slovakia at this stage did not exist as an independent country, it was part of Hungary). The son of Charles I , Louis I (Nagy Lajos, Ludwik Węgierski) was a king of Hungary and Poland as well and he was popular in both countries.
One of the good thing coming out of the current migrant crises is that it has increased the friendship and cooperation among the V4 (Visegrad )countries to the highest level ever.
Thank you for this explanation of V4 and the historical background. 🙂
Evidently, the Congress of Visegrad was approx. 70 years *before* the Battle of Kosovo! That’s quite a long time back.
“Historically, at the start of World War II, Hungary, in spite of being on the side of the Axis, refused to take part in the invasion of Poland”
Although it’s true that Hungary was siding with Hitler since the mid 1930s, Hungary hasn’t officially joined the Tripartite Pact until November 20, 1940. (after France was defeated and German hegemony over the continent firmly established). Hitler actually never wanted Hungary to participate in the invasion of Poland (he made a deal with USSR for that), but he has requested to transit German forces through Hungarian territory, in order to strike at south-eastern Poland. Hungary refused.