I visited your blog yesterday, and read with interest your post about moderates in Islam. You have provided extensive information and useful links for those who want to learn more on the topic.
When you first arrived in the comments at Gates of Vienna last February I was delighted. Before then our commenters had consisted mainly of like-minded folks, with a few nuke-the-ragheads zealots and an occasional lefty troll thrown in to leaven the mix. With your arrival it became possible to argue and discuss with a reasonable and humane Muslim. Unfortunately, you have been the only one so far to show up.
More than one reader has accused you of being a particularly sly and devious practitioner of taqiyya, the art of dissembling for the sake of Islam. But I prefer to take a person at face value unless he gives me good reason to do otherwise. I choose to see you as that most elusive of creatures, the moderate Muslim.
I know you hate the term, but no one has yet come up with an alternative phrase that is short enough to be useful. I can’t keep saying, “Eteraz is a Muslim-who-doesn’t-want-to-clothe-women-in-pup-tents-and-kill-or-enslave-infidels.” Sorry, old bean; for the time being you’ll have to remain a Moderate Muslim.
It is because of you that I still hold onto a slender thread of hope for the modernization of Islam, for the possibility that Muslims in general can learn to live peacefully in a secular society the same way that Jews, Christians, Hindus, and Buddhists have done.
But it’s a tough row that you have to hoe; you are all but alone doing intellectual journeywork in the field you have chosen. The task you have undertaken requires a thick skin, if not body armor.
I was reading National Review the other day, and came across an article (subscription required) by Theodore Dalrymple that made me think of you:
Taqiyya is the principle by which a Muslim may disavow his religious beliefs if it is necessary for him to do so. I am no Islamic scholar, but it seems to me that the application of the concept has been extended. Where once it meant that a Muslim could deny his faith if he were threatened with death unless he abjured it, it has come to mean lying to promote any religiously desired end. Taqiyya has always been more important for Shia than for Sunni Muslims, but is permitted to the latter.
On www.al-islam.org, I found the following, allegedly true story: A Shia and a Sunni Muslim were traveling to London to attend an Islamic conference. En route, the two of them discussed the need for unity between the two main branches of Islam, and the Sunni argued that the Shia resort to taqiyya was an obstacle to that unity. At London Airport, the Sunni told the immigration officer that he had come to England to seek medical treatment, while the Shia said that he had come to visit friends. The Sunni said to the Shia afterwards that an Islamic conference provided healing for the soul, while the Shia said that it provided an opportunity to visit friends. According to the author of the article on the Web, both had indulged in laudable and justifiable taqiyya.
This is not taqiyya to save life: No one was threatening the two of them with death unless they entered Britain. It was lying because the end was believed to justify the means, and possibly for the sheer malicious pleasure of deceiving someone (an infidel immigration officer) you cannot believe to be the equal to yourself.
If such a story is held up as a moral example, as something Muslims could and should learn from in their everyday dealings with the non-Muslim world, it cannot be much of a surprise that non-Muslims begin to grow suspicious of even the most decent of the Ummah. And this feeling of mistrust is bound to have grown because so many of the bombers and would-be bombers appeared for a long time to be perfectly integrated into British society. A man with a friendly manner and a pleasant expression, a conscientious teaching assistant by day, turns out to be a suicide bomber by night, ready to die so long as he takes as many complete strangers with him as he can. If he could not be trusted, if he was harboring such murderous hatred in his heart despite all outward appearances, which Muslim can be trusted?
The problem is all the greater because surveys among Muslims have consistently shown a high level of support for suicide bombers. Even “moderates” who are wheeled onto the broadcast media to defuse incipient and potentially dangerous conflict say that, while they deplore the violence, they “understand” it: that is to say, that they believe the extremists are not really, or not wholly, to blame.
Dr. Dalrymple has put his finger on the nub of the problem. It’s the reason why some of our readers don’t want to take you at your word. It’s the reason why no spokesman for CAIR or ISNA is taken seriously by any well-informed and intelligent person. It’s the reason why the words of King Abdullah or Pervez Musharraf are not trustworthy.
It doesn’t really matter what the Jafari, Hanafi, Maliki, Shafi’iyyah, and Hanbali schools of jurisprudence say. It doesn’t matter what’s taught or debated in the Hawza. What counts is the collective action (or passivity) of millions upon millions of ordinary Muslims, folks who know nothing of Spinoza or Voltaire, or even Arabic literature.
When hundreds of thousands of Muslims take to the streets to protest violence against infidels in the name of Allah, then I will believe that Islam can be peaceful. When I see protest signs against jihad parading up the streets in Riyadh or Tehran or Jakarta, then I will believe that Islam is indeed reformable. But not before.
Such things have never occurred. The mass demonstrations in Lebanon were political and nationalistic. The protests in Amman after Zarqawi did his nifty little number on his fellow countrymen were not against violence. The Jordanians and Palestinians were not objecting to jihad; they were protesting against jihad directed at Jordanian Muslims. It was a NIMBY demonstration; presumably they have no problem with the killing of mere infidels.
The best that Islam has been able to do in this category is that piddly little demonstration in D.C., the one where about fifty people showed up.
To quote the prophet Isa (peace be upon him) once again, from Matthew 7:17-20:
Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
The fruits of Islam for fourteen centuries have been war, plunder, slavery, poverty, degradation, and ignorance. Notwithstanding the “Golden Age of Al-Andalus”, or any other purported Islamic golden age.
Islam has not shown a peaceful face to the world. In the name of its god it has consistently gone forth with the sword against its neighbor. Such peace as has been found within it has been the peace of satiety from plunder, or the peace of the outnumbered or outgunned, or the peace of the hudna, which bides its time until the moment is propitious and the slaughter can be resumed.
Eteraz, you are a lonely exception. Your exegesis upon the Koran is encouraging and exemplary, but it is manifestly not in accord with the prevalent practices of your religion.
I believe in your sincerity, but I fear that someday your co-religionists may discover your home address, and you will wake up one morning to a car bomb.
More power to you. May your version be true, and not mine.
With kindest regards,
Unspiek, Baron Bodissey
Eteraz has responded to my letter. See “Hit With Baron Open Letter”.
Does it really matter what million of Muslims do as they are living under the spell of chaotic Islam and constant conspiracy theories? There, in Islam, what counts is what the mighty people are willing and doing, because there, they are really in control. And they do know what “Jafari, Hanafi, Maliki, Shafi’iyyah, and Hanbali schools of jurisprudence” say, and they are acting according to that.
Laws always empower violent people (police, military). If the laws guarantee the people’s freedom, you may discern people’s will and mindset through their acting. But if the laws are as coercive as those of Islam, all you see is what they are forced or brainwashed to do.
That is the problem of Islam: its bad laws. And its laws are the most honest and consensual interpretation of its sacred texts. The Islamic scriptures’ message really is in those laws. And you have to be dishonest to the bones for not seeing that while studying them.
I don’t know what Eteraz in particular has written here, but moderate Muslims are largely just useful idiots who unintentionally protect the suicide bombers, wifebeaters, rapists and thugs of Islam. They’re no different from your average multicultist leftist, except that their words have more weight because they’re Muslims, even if they’re essentially clueless about their own religion. They confuse infidels with their propaganda, and make them think that there’s nothing wrong with Islam, so of course the problem must lie elsewhere: perhaps this is all happening because of colonialism and Coca-Cola?
Even if moderate Muslims denounce violent Jihad, they’re still helping the enemy. I suppose moderate Muslims are this way because if they acknowledge that Islam is fundamentally a violent, expansionist and racist ideology of warfare and oppression, they can no longer follow it, and they lose their identity. That’s my theory anyway.
Eteraz has a group of Muslims who agree with him enough to read his blog everyday and comment positively. So, based upon that, we can assume there is more than just Eteraz.
This is satire, right? The whole blog, right? Including that slogan contest, right?
Sure, Sporty! You figured that one out pretty quick, didn’t you?
No one in his right mind would ever say these kinds of things seriously…
It is a pity that the most acute modern students of Islam are infidels. Out of self-preservation, of course, but, whatever the motive, the kafirs are still doing the “heavy lifting” that most “moderate Muslims” have been derelect in their [religious] duty in doing.
Muslims appear to practice a painless form (a cartoonish gloss) of Islam, just like generally-indifferent ‘religious’ followers everywhere. The average Mohammedan doesn’t read the Koran, the Hadiths, etc., and they don’t study “conflicting” historical records (Muslim and Abrahamic infidel and pagan polytheist works), content to be “submissive”. And to serenely follow whatever “sanctified” path their leaders bless.
So, the common Muslim, not knowing the moral/existential problems at the heart of the Koran (dhimmis/jizyah/taqqiya), see little need for “reform”.
I welcome all skeptically-inclined Muslims to re-read their al-Qur’an with both eyes open.
One eye on the origins of the “approved” text, and its dubious mutations to a “decided-upon” form.
The other eye on their “bible”‘s repeated claim of teaching “compassion”, and then comparing this Koranic assertion with the grotesquely cruel behavior of their creed’s most militant “true believers”.
Islam is not moderate.
It needs reformers to tame the dark urge-to-eternal-vendetta at its core.
(Islam is the original Mafia: a protection racket, apotheosized.)
I hope the “moderate Muslims” get their “Councils of Koranic Reformation” going, quick, because the day is quite late.
Are there such “moderate Muslims”
Or are they-
Baron – great article
Taqqiya is the name of the game right now and our watchword. In this Jihad war we have to be conscious that we are only in its initial stage. The objective is to seize not just Infidel territory but all that defines us as Western. We are experiencing terrorism right now, (and hence the WoT), and the effects of threats of terrorism, combined with Taqqiya.
As Muslim populations grow in the West due to immigration, both legal and illegal and internal demographic growth will come the next stage in the war – Guerrilla warfare. As David Warren points out, this will be on top of an ongoing terrorist campaign, Taqqiya, dawa, oil money and bribery of the media and our elected officials, and all the rest of the tools at the disposal of the Jihad. Then comes the final stage of the war of seizing territory both physical and otherwise from the Infidel. India and Bosnia provide classic examples of all the stages.
To any believing Muslim who is concerned that the progress of the Jihad will come unstuck at an early stage, the only option is Taqqiya. Some may see progress in seeing hundreds of thousands of Muslims protesting against terrorism but we need to be cautious.
Let us consider the situation that all Muslims at present living in the West accepted the call to clean their communities of extremism. They even went further and made the changes in their teachings of the koran and the jihad. Such an outcome would no doubt come as a relief to many on this site. But I counter, that all such changes were being done merely to protect the ummah while it grows at ever-increasing pace in the West. Once a near majority is achieved, that future generation of Muslims will simply revoke any changes and return to the traditions of the koran. They will even praise this generation of Muslims for having done what was necessary to protect Islam.
In view of the continuous Jihad against all Infidels who were in the vicinity of Muslims throughout Islam’s history, and the immutable canonical texts of Islam, as they are believed to be the direct word of allah, I would take a more cautious view. Modern travel and immigration of Muslims to the West, both our creations, has put us in the vicinity of Muslims, and the initial phase of the Jihad that is now on us.
Thanks for the clarification, Baron!
We cited your slogan contest on Little Green Fascists and just wanted to know if you were with us or against us!
It’s too bad your writings are satirical. We’ll have to savage you now that we know you are really an Islamo-fascist sympathizer!
Wow, that sporty is a funny guy for a guy who hates satire.
I believe in the “moderate” moslem. The usual UN Globalists have a global religion all ready for us when we’ll all accept it. Some of it’s most verbal proponents are important moslems. The former Jordanian crown prince, the one I on purpose forget his name, gave up being King of Jordan to promote religious unity. Moderate ? Sure. All these people want is to rule the world. Peace.
I tried to leave a comment on Eteraz’s site, but it’s now closed to comments. So I’ll do it here instead.
You want to be called a reformist muslim rather than a moderate muslim? Sounds great. Modernizing Islam? If it really happened, just think of the millions – Muslims especially, but not only Muslims – who would benefit. Modern muslim societies, forward looking, vibrant, building wealth and knowledge among their peoples, making a positive contribution to world culture…
However. What have you reformed lately?
Eteraz has argued that jihadi islam is unorthodox. Even if true (and I wonder if the wahabbis running the mosques would agree!) how many muslims know that today? Is the number increasing or decreasing? Who seems more glamorous to the ill informed masses? My sense is that the jihadis are becoming the orthodoxy – even if they aren’t yet. How are the reformers going to win against these revolutionaries? Put another way: why don’t I see muslim heros on ‘our’ side?
A number of posts in response to Eteraz, apparently by muslims, speak unkindly of this site – painting it as intolerant, bigoted, islamophobic, etc. Let me remind them of another muslim, muhammed ali, on the subject of white racism. Ali observed that a person in a roomful of snakes does not consider that some of them might not be poisonous. He does not act differently towards the benign snakes than to those who he expects to kill him. For him, a snake’s a snake until proven otherwise. The posters would do well to reflect on this. How are we Westerners, under jihadist attack, supposed to discern who is the jihadi, who is the dissembling jihadist supporter, and who is the ‘moderate’ reasonable muslim? As in ali’s story, it’s the snakes’ problem, not the person looking at them.
It’s time for you muslim moderates, reformers, progressives – whatever you want to call yourselves – to get off your arses. Stop whining about being misunderstood in ‘our’ community. Make yourselves unavoidably present in ‘your’ community – in the mosques, in the media, anywhere where you can be visible. Be the white corpuscles attacking the malignancy in the body of islam.
If you want to be called a reformist – reform something, for goodness sake.
Too many metaphors. Sorry. And Eteraz – it’s great having you around.