Many thanks to Hellequin GB for translating this article from Uncut News. The translator’s comments are in square brackets:
Beijing and Moscow form a military alliance and challenge the Pentagon
Chinese Defense Minister Li Shanfu has brought a comprehensive package of strategic agreements with him from Moscow. Beijing has openly supported Moscow in the Ukraine conflict. And in doing so, it has shamed the West, which has attempted to issue an ultimatum to the Chinese authorities.
Robert Sutter: China and Russia together can withstand any “Ukrainian Blow”.
After arriving in Moscow on Sunday, Li Shanfu was immediately received by President Vladimir Putin at the Kremlin. Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu was also present at the meeting. General Li also visited the General Staff Military Academy, which has signed a memorandum of cooperation with the PLA National Defense Academy.
Most of the four-day visit was classified. A spokesman for China’s defense ministry said Beijing and Moscow had “strengthened their strategic ties.”
The two countries also pledged to “jointly resist attempts by outside forces to interfere in internal affairs,” according to the spokesman. This sounds ominous to the West as Russia supports China’s territorial integrity. That is, it does not recognize Taiwan’s independence, which the West insists on.
Another blow to Western interests is Li Shanfu’s promise to exchange military technology and trade in arms. It is the first time General Li has traveled abroad since he became defense minister. And he has repeatedly made it clear that he chose Russia on purpose: this only underlines the specificity and strategic importance of the relationship between the two countries.
With his trip, Li Shanfu wants to show the world that military relations between the two countries can withstand the “Ukrainian blow”. It’s a very strong relationship! — says Robert Sutter, Professor of International Relations at George Washington University.
The West, of course, is concerned about the possibility of China providing direct military support to Russia. The Washington Post cites secret Pentagon documents showing there is an agreement in principle for such assistance. At the same time, for example, the European Union’s High Commissioner for Foreign Affairs, Josep Borrell, stated that Chinese components were allegedly found in Russian weapons in Ukraine (including drone navigation systems and tank fire control systems). [After they “sold” them the technology and knowhow for decades now, what the hell did they expect?]
There was no official confirmation of this. But it is a reason for Congress and the Joe Biden administration to prepare new sanctions against Chinese dual-use technologies. Just as before, the Europeans unduly imposed sanctions on Iran for the accusation that it supplied Russia with Mohajer and Shahed drones.
Joseph Wright: China is playing the role of the world’s chief peacemaker [with a .45 caliber to the head]
Given its unprecedented foreign trade, China is interested in a predictable and stable Russia — another factor behind Beijing’s support for Moscow, says City University of New York political science professor Xia Ming. The scientist is convinced that the West is aiming for a scenario similar to that of 1991 against Russia — a change in the state system and the actual collapse of the state. [To me it looks more the other way around, the West is not just crumbling, it uses a wrecking-ball on itself through pandering to Big Tech and Central Banks.]
After the start of the special operation, China has significantly strengthened its ties with Russia. And not only in the military field. It was Chinese leader Xi Jinping who drafted the 12-point peace plan. The West has undiplomatically smiled at the Chinese proposals, while Russia and even Ukraine have taken them seriously.
Chinese and Ukrainian foreign ministers have been in touch since the special operation began, but Xi Jinping has refused to negotiate with Vladimir Zelenskiy. [I would refuse to meet with that guy too. You never know what disease you might catch from that reprobate.]
China has played the role of peacemaker in every major conflict in the world, in Iran, in Saudi Arabia and even in Ukraine, says Joseph Wright, a professor of political science at the University of Pennsylvania, in an interview with Voice of America.
As the Ukraine conflict rages on, the US is spending its military might on Ukraine, not Taiwan. Therefore, the Chinese are generally interested in diverting American resources.
At the same time, the Chinese also want access to advanced Russian military technology. And it is precisely these technologies that could be the subject of negotiations, writes Voice of America. Sino-Russian military-technical cooperation is currently limited to China’s purchase of Russian equipment, while Moscow and Beijing rarely conduct joint research and development activities.
According to statistics from the Center for Strategic and International Studies (CSIS), there have been at least 17 cases in the past 20 years in which the Chinese copied Russian weapons. Notably, China was allowed to replicate the Russian Su-27 fighter jet to develop its own J-11 fighter jets and the S-300 missile system to produce its own medium- and long-range Hongqi-9 (HQ-9) anti-aircraft missiles.
While China’s own military technology is developing by leaps and bounds, Moscow is still far ahead of Beijing in many groundbreaking areas — from aircraft engines to nuclear-powered submarines. The distance will decrease.
See also: Svobodnaya Pressa (Russian)
Afterword from the translator:
When you think that Russia and China had been at loggerheads with each other for Centuries… for their greed, NATO and the Governments of the West should actually be nominated for a “PIECE” Darwin Award. They really deserve it.
So. Beijing is now gonna challenge the very Pentagon (deep state) that they have closely worked together with on the corona psyop and the poison pokes and waged all sorts of 5GW against (nation-state) America and Canada, right? RIGHT?
I agree ,this is kibbuki theatre.China and Russia have shared a common ideology and worldview for years( Communism).Putin is an ex KGB officer who pretended to have a road to Damascus experience to win the political support of the Russian people .
And America is hostage to the faction who are prepared to lie, cheat, steal ,stab their fellow Americans in the back and stack and climb on their dead bodies in return for bribes from the pharmaceutical companies.
I see no good guys here apart of course for those who are resisting crony capitalism and the alliance between big pharma,the government, the DOD, the health agencies ,the WHO ,the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation ,the FBIand the CIA.
The medical freedom movement are the good guys ,globally ,those who oppose them are not.
And the sad fact is governments everywhere and of every stripe are murdering and disabling there own people with COVId injections.
There is no greater isssue and no government has clean hands.
And all have used cOVId as an excuse to take away our civil liberties and our freedoms.
There are more communists in Washington DC. This isn’t about idealism (never is), but about money and power on the global stage.
China and Russia, whatever you may think of them, are expanding their influence worldwide on a huge scale using trade and non-dollar-denominated means of exchange.
Never forget that we (the western world- US/Western Europe/Canada/Australia/NZ) are only around 10% of the global population, and while we have large economies, guaged in dollars, we are actually a relatively small piece of global trade by volume.
The western world could vanish and the remaining 90% could do quite well without us.
‘Murica has made it very clear to me and mine that it’s NOT our country anymore. We live the lives of second or third class citizens. A multipolar future is in the cards. [Vulgar imperative] the west and Globohomo. A Russian and Chinese alliance doesn’t bother me in the slightest.
Oldtradesman: I will start believing that Russia and China are friends once the Russians start eating fried bats and the Chinese enjoy a nice bowl of cold borscht with sour cream.
The Russian Federation-PRC alliance is in large part one of convenience and mutual support. If we’d been smart, by which I mean our so-called foreign policy experts, they’d have moved heaven and earth to prevent them from becoming as closely-aligned as they now are. They have their differences, but they are united by that old truism, “the enemy of my enemy is my friend.” They’re both sick of dancing to our tune, and have decided to join forces against us, simple as that.
Years ago, China coveted Siberia, which is a vast storehouse of natural and mineral wealth, not to mention all of that largely uninhabited space. But as long as Russia is making money selling raw materials to the PRC, and the PRC is making money using those materials, they may just keep smiling and keep doing business. Sometimes, even cynical and amoral people are honest with one another when everyone is doing well and making money.
They’ll probably become adversaries again at some time in the future, maybe even enemies – or grow tired of one another as long-time neighbors often do… but by then, they may have done their damage to the U.S. and it will be too late for us then.
What is it they say about revenge? That it is a dish best-served cold? Yes, I believe that’s it.
The other saying which applies is – what goes around comes around. Too often, the government of the U.S. has treated people abroad badly and/or dishonestly for a long time, even purported friends and allies, and now that is boomeranging back upon us. Their government isn’t any better, but that’s not really the point. The point is that they’re going to be in a position to stick it to us, and they will. They already are, in fact.
Those tempted to trust America’s leadership class and foreign policy establishment should, before bestowing such trust, recall that it was this group of “geniuses” who sold the American people and nation in the 1970s out for fatter profit margins, and in the name of ‘great power’ gamesmanship.
Kissinger and Nixon wanted to normalize relations with Red China, as a means of driving a wedge between Beijing (Peking) and Moscow – heedless of the fact that our military had fought the Chi-Coms as recently as the Korean War (1950-1953), and via proxy war in Vietnam, a conflict which had not yet been concluded when Nixon began overtures.
If you say “That’s insane!” – to break bread with and trust a nation so recently a sworn enemy, you’d be right… but Kissinger and Nixon didn’t stop to think. They just did it.
Egged on by Fortune 500 executives and bankers with dollar signs in their eyes, no doubt, at the idea of opening those billion plus Chinese as new markets.
There’s nothing wrong with the idea of driving a wedge between two potential adversaries who might become allies. Such hard-headed foreign policy realpolitik was once common in Washington, D.C. and was known as “foreign policy realism,” which is all-but-extinct today. However, Nixon-Kissinger did it precisely in 180 degrees from how they ought to have done it. They played right into our enemies’ hands, in fact.
Many Americans do not know that the USSR and the PRC fought a series of border skirmishes in the contested Amur/Black Dragon River region of Siberia/Mongolia in 1969-1970, which nearly erupted into full-scale war. Rather than seize the moment and exploit the chill in Sino-Soviet relations, as good sense would dictate, and seek to isolate Red China further, Nixon-Kissinger pivoted and sought to draw Red China closer to the U.S. – a fateful decision which would, in time, cost the U.S.A. dearly.
How so? The Russians may appear to like the Chinese, but in reality, they are uneasy as allies. The Russians – many of their leadership caste at any rate – are culturally and racially Europeans, and have much more in common with Europe than they do China. The Chinese feel roughly the same in reverse, except they regard themselves as Asians superior to the barbarian big-noses.
The smart play would have been for the U.S. to swallow a bit of pride, and seek to pull Moscow closer while isolating Peking (Beijing). If we had done so and acted accordingly over the subsequent half-century, today we might be facing only the PRC as an adversary, and not the alliance of Russia and China together.
Foreign policy blunders weren’t all. In the name of fatter profits, U.S. business leaders and bankers off-shored the once-vaunted U.S. industrial and manufacturing base to our new fake friends, and in so doing, hastened the day when the PRC would become a super-power to rival and soon surpass the U.S.A. That old saying about the communists supplying the rope with which we would hang ourselves appears to be, at least in this instance, entirely correct.
I’ve made plenty of mistakes in my life… but trusting the damned Chi-Coms (the PRC government) isn’t one of them. I was just thirteen in 1974, when the announcement came over the news, and can distinctly remember saying to myself, “Are they crazy? Those guys are our enemies!” Sad to say, time has proven that observation correct.
And now we face the indescribable horror of a possible war against not one – but two – super-powers armed with large, well-equipped and well-trained conventional military forces and nuclear weapons to boot. Can you spell “nightmare”?
@ Georgiaboy
Nightmare is a WMD — which is intended to be more real in this sort of war than the kinetic warfare and geopolitics they are creating the Nightmare (psyops) with.
The nightmare of 5GW is the fertile ground for planting and growing the dystopia of Agenda 2030.
Weapon and infrastructure has merged. Perception has been weaponized and is being used to shape and own reality as such, and vice versa. The end goal of wars is always the ownership of the reality of others but that is now being executed directly.
This is already a Matrix world and it’s not even finished yet.
You’re quite right…. 5GW is now a reality. I just saw a story that the PRC is now building police stations all over the world, in other countries. I had previously known they were building them in places with large expat Chinese populations – such as Canada. But elsewhere? Whatever the actual explanation is for such action, it can’t be good, no matter what it turns out to be.
And, in passing, it appears as if the PRC are using migration-as-colonization, in the long-established Islamic fashion. The hegira, except in Mandarin Chinese rather than Arabic.
True, the Russians have always considered themselves European but Europe has just rejected them so they have turned to China on the rebound like a bad break up. I think they still feel kindly toward Europe as they are helping Germany to survive by allowing Kazakh oil to flow through their pipeline, but re engaging with the US if off for maybe 200 years?
Georgiaboy: I am the same age as you and remember watching the teevee “news” coverage of Nixon’s historic arrival in China, on Air Force One. Thus began the shipping off of American Industry to China. America single handidly elevated China to its current position as the world’s supplier of cheap stuff. American wealth built today’s China. In return, we got Walmart and Amazon.
China also gave the US Gubmint and the DOD a new boogeyman, to replace the Soviet Union. We’ll spend ourselves into oblivion, trying to keep pace with China’s military build up.
I used to be hard-core anti China.
Once you realize that the propaganda is lying to you about some things you begin to question everything that they say.
A government that is evil enough to lie about the demolition of the WTC in order to justify several decades of war in muslim countries is evil enough and unscrupulous enough to use their completely owned media to lie to you about other countries they want to start wars with.
China didn’t force American industry to relocate there; that was the globalists and the hedge fund managers and greedy CEOs that did that. Yes, there’s lots of cheap Chinese crap sold over here but that isn’t because the Chinese can’t make better quality stuff. Its because that’s what those who offshored American industry wants; profit ahead of all else. China has thousands of miles of maglev tracks while the US rail system barely creaks along with ancient railbeds and speed and weight restrictions due to extremely poor repair. China doesn’t have inner cities that are unliveable due to hordes of illegitimate dealing drugs and shooting each other when they aren’t busy making more illegitimates. The opinions and observations of people whom I trust who have actually been there don’t match up at all with the propaganda coming from state-owned media and government officials, who are trying their hardest to start a war as they see American power being eclipsed by the Chinese.
@ The Moon
Re: “The opinions and observations of people whom I trust who have actually been there don’t match up at all with the propaganda coming from state-owned media and government officials, who are trying their hardest to start a war as they see American power being eclipsed by the Chinese.”
It is important to distinguish between the government of a nation and its people. The common people on the street in the PRC probably do not want war with the U.S. anymore than your average American on the street wants yet another war with them or for that matter anyone.
Sure, there are plenty of dupes and regime mouthpieces over there who yell loudest for war with the running-dog imperialists, a.k.a. the U.S. – but most of the people are probably too busy trying to stay alive to care one way or another. Just as there are such people cheer-leading for more war and war-profiteering here in the ‘States. Victoria Nuland, anyone??
But the Chinese government is another story. President Xi Xinping is a real piece of work, according to reputable sources inside that country, who sees himself as a world-historical figure on par with Mao. That comparison worries me, as it ought to concern any clear-thinking and rational person, since Mao killed in cold blood nearly a hundred million people – and just was just in his own country.
Governments, since they control the levers of power and the enforcement arms of the state – its police and military forces – are the ones who determine whether or not nations go to war, and the cold hard fact is that the PRC military has been war-gaming (largely in secret of course) against the U.S. for nearly thirty years.
They are already at war with us, just not yet with bombs, rockets and bullets. But they’re doing a fine job beating us using unconventional weapons, so they may not need more-kinetic methods. At the rate they’re buying up the U.S., we’re likely to wake up one day and find that ownership of this country is under new management, so to speak.
Oh, and why is the PRC opening police stations on foreign soil in countries around the world? Including in Canada, our northern neighbor? Doesn’t that concern you at least a bit? It certainly does me…
PRC “police stations” if that’s what they are, are worrying to me in the sense that for whatever reason Western governments have abdicated sovereignty. That bothers me far more than a country wanting to control its citizens anywhere they are in the world. Although the USA is already doing that through tax policy and basically making it impossible for an American citizen to open a foreign banking account.
I can’t really fault Xi for being a dictator, as like Putin his actions and policies have benefitted his country and most Chinese far more than they have hurt them. Compare and contrast with the last 30 years of American democracy and political dynasties. I can’t think of a single policy that the US government has undertook during that span of years which has been to the benefit of the average American.
If they are at war with us, and I think there’s a pretty convincing argument to be made that we are in a phony or new cold war, I don’t believe that we are as good as we think we are, or they are as bad as we say they are. They aren’t forcing the flooding of Europe with orcs, or the flooding of America with illegals from south of the border. Neither are they forcing under duress the alphabet and anal sex mobs upon everyone they trade with. The Chinese don’t have hundreds of bases and military installations around the world, they don’t provoke wars, and they haven’t weaponized their currency. Even comparing Xi with Mao isn’t truly an accurate parallel, since Mao was a monster on the order of Stalin who as you rightly said, starved hundreds of millions of his citizens to death with his policies. As well as a sexual predator who had thousands of concubines.
At risk of being called a China shill, I just don’t see it as a bad thing if the world was multipolar, we were forced to live within our means, and our military occupation of vast swathes of the planet and military adventurism came to an end.
@ billrla
Re: “America single handidly elevated China to its current position as the world’s supplier of cheap stuff. American wealth built today’s China. In return, we got Walmart and Amazon.”
Was that a bug or a feature? Rumors and intel have surfaced over the years that the globalist/NWO types long-ago reached a meeting of the minds with the power-brokers in the PRC – which of course means the party and the state – that mainland China was to be the “new workshop to the world,” thanks to its cheap (slave) labor and lack of environmental and other regulations common elsewhere. Don’t know the veracity of those tidbits, but just passing them on.
The real question becomes – are the PRC (President Xi Xinping in particular) and the western globalists still cooperating as friends and colleagues, or have they split and now call themselves enemies? The same question of course applies to the allies of the PRC, i.e., Iran, Russian Federation, etc.
Georgiaboy: Definitely a feature, not a bug. Kissinger was, and still is, a leading proponent of the New World Order. Kissinger knew what he was doing when he pushed the Nixon into China. Corporate America jumped right on board with off-shoring to China, in pursuit of cheap labor, zero labor protections, and access to Chinese consumers, whose rise out of poverty would be funded by American consumers.
The part about this which I don’t like, or more honestly don’t understand, is the possibility of Russian military being called to aid a China that got itself into hot conflict by its own commencing a violent takeover of Taiwan. Whether this is going to happens or not and whether the West is going to step up in such a case, who knows. But that would definitely not be something Russia would or should want to be involved in, no matter how many entirely rational reasons there are for expanding on a good neighbourly relationship. I would go so far as to suspect China helps Russia in its own conflict now to collect the debt when it’s their turn. Only that those two conflicts are not comparable at all. I’ve heard more than enough twisted history interpretations lamenting how China was humiliated in the past and yaddayadda. Sadly it includes many from the “good side”, who seemingly can’t bring themselves to consider the only ones with a right to have any say in the matter, namely the Taiwanese themselves, the generations living there now. They grew up in a defacto independent country and want to keep it like that. They don’t kill Chinese people like the Ukrainians did to the Russians left within its borders. A keeping of the status quo would be win-win and nothing else, that’s what the people want but not the leadership. If that wasn’t maddening enough, the idea of America and Russia clashing over this, which is neither one’s own conflict, is insane. What puzzles me, again, is how many commenters on the right wing are so easy to discard the island’s independence and democratic expressions. And what this latest iteration of Russian-Chinese agreements entails. Putin is neither dumb nor blind. We’re only told fractions of the story, as usual.