Eric Zemmour: Pope Francis and the De-Christianizing of Europe

In the following excerpt from a French TV talk show, the popular commentator Eric Zemmour discusses Pope Francis with his fellow panelists. The main topic is His Holiness’ recent encyclical “Fratelli Tutti”, in which he called for open borders, the suppression of nationalism, and granting more power to the United Nations. Most notably, he said that every country belongs to foreigners as well as the natives.

Many thanks to MissPiggy for the translation, and to Vlad Tepes for the subtitling:

Breitbart reports about “Fratelli Tutti”:

Video transcript:

01:49   Good evening, everyone. Good evening, gentlemen. Nice to see you again. Good evening, Eric Zemmour.
01:54   The third Encyclical of Pope Francis entitled “Brothers and Sister All”
01:58   was unveiled yesterday, on Sunday. It gives a somber assessment of the contemporary world,
02:03   and suggests ways to make the world a better place.
02:06   Eric Zemmour, how do we decipher this new encyclical?
02:10   What should we remember from it? —Listen, I confess to you, after reading that I was flabbergasted.
02:17   I was astonished by the type of naiveté usually associated with pimply teenagers
02:23   that was spread on almost every page. It was impressive.
02:29   Making the world a better place, that’s good when you’re 14 years old.
02:32   As soon as you’re 15 and a half,
02:35   you don’t believe in it anymore. I remind you that Jesus said , “My kingdom is not of this world.”
02:39   He was wiser. It’s, if you like, a kind of idealism,
02:48   globalism, universalism and I’ll repeat it, naïve,
02:54   which I confess to you, leaves me stunned.
02:59   OK, so, it’s political. In fact, the Pope is being political.
03:06   It’s the first time in history, and we’re going to talk later with Marc
03:10   about the relations between the kings of France and the popes.
03:14   All the previous popes have had their faults, but they were Catholic.
03:18   Now we have a post-Catholic pope.
03:21   He’s not Catholic anymore. —What does that mean? —That means that we, you know the famous phrase
03:25   from G.K. Chesterton, “The world is full
03:28   of Christian virtues gone mad.” That’s the pope. That’s exactly it!
03:31   He’s not doing Catholicism. He adopts an extreme left-wing discourse, but it’s not Catholicism.
03:37   Even if Catholicism were universal, and we’ve know for 2,000 years that in Catholic theology,
03:46   we access the universal through the individual. There are some absolutely magnificent writings
03:49   by Bossuet, showing the balance between the universal and the nation.
03:56   Excuse me. —A chewing gum? —Yes, Exactly.
04:03   Between the universal and the nation.
04:09   So, this appears to be a misuse of Catholic dogma to get into politics,
04:16   and the Pope is spending his time with, or it seems that he wrote in collaboration
04:23   with, the Grand Imam Ahmed Al-Tayeb. It’s staggering.
04:28   He explains that we must defend the identities of poor peoples.
04:33   He’s absolutely right. I approve 2,000%, but what about the identities of the European peoples?
04:42   He doesn’t care. He explains to us that each and every country is also a country for foreigners.
04:48   This reveals that he understood absolutely nothing about the famous text in the Old Testament
04:57   which says “Welcome the stranger because you yourself have been foreigners in the land of Egypt.”
05:02   It is also repeated in the Gospels. Except that the Pope forgets
05:06   that in the Old Testament, as in the New,
05:09   the foreigner who is welcomed also leaves. He stays a few days. That’s hospitality.
05:15   He doesn’t stay and he doesn’t bring his family or have his family come. He leaves.
05:20   That’s the meaning of, “You were a stranger in the land of Egypt. Remember.”
05:25   It’s not about having all people from abroad coming to certain countries.
05:32   The Pope is not — sorry, I interrupted you. —Please do. —Isn’t it the Pope’s role to be merciful,
05:37   by being universalist, as you say, isn’t that his role? —That is his role… —Love one another.
05:44   He’s in his role, perhaps, I don’t have the impression that it is his role to give us
05:51   an encyclical that sounds like a song from the music group Grand Corps Malade [big sick body].
05:55   So he’s already stepped out of his role. The Pope, please understand, is the head of the Church.
06:02   So, there are Catholics, and there’s a rule that was taught
06:06   a long time ago, the famous rule of subsidiarity.
06:10   It’s not the Maastricht Treaty that invented it. It’s the church.
06:14   What does subsidiarity mean? It means that the Pope
06:17   and the head of the church is for the faith, for the dogma,
06:20   but not for politics. There, he is completely out of his role. —Even when he calls for harmony,
06:25   when he tries to unite, when he wants to see, for example, the migrants, you mentioned, as citizens
06:31   united together by faith. All that is not… —It’s politics. —That’s politics? —Yes, it’s politics.
06:36   And the other popes? —It’s substituting the country. —The other popes were not political?
06:41   The other popes were political too, but they respected the dogma more. If you want, you’re right,
06:50   it’s a fundamental question. How is this unlike the previous popes or what they did?
06:55   We had two great popes, John Paul II and… —Pope Benedict XVI. —Pope Benedict XVI. —One was Polish,
07:00   the other German, deeply European, deeply rooted in their national identities.
07:06   Who believed in nations. Who believed in European nations in particular. So here we have a guy
07:14   who comes from South America, who despises Europe, who obviously, as far as I know, hates France.
07:20   In particular, he despises Europe, and then delivers
07:25   a universalist discourse like a non-governmental organization.
07:30   In fact, he has turned the Vatican into an NGO. I don’t think that’s his role.
07:37   He’s speaking like an NGO that’s going to save migrants in the Mediterranean,
07:41   but that’s not what the church is all about.
07:45   Excuse me. It’s not that! And Pope Benedict XVI, who is still alive,
07:50   could remind him what Catholic theology is.
07:54   I’ve read texts by Pope Benedict XVI, which say something else. Read the writings of John Paul II.
08:00   Here, I’m telling you, he’s stepping out of his role. We are aware of where he comes from.
08:05   He had his youth formed by the Jesuits in South America in the 1960s.
08:09   So that’s very political. That’s very ideological. That’s very left-wing.
08:14   So very influenced. I’m not saying that he was linked to the ideology of liberation theology
08:21   by the Marxists of the ’60s with all the revolutionary movements in South America.
08:26   We know that the Church over there was very close
08:29   to certain Marxist and Communist movements of the time.
08:33   It is clear that this is what his universe is. I was going to say cultural,
08:38   affective, political, and therefore ideological.
08:42   You can see all that. You can see where he comes from. You can see who he talks to,
08:46   as the Marxists used to say, and you can see what he says. —He says
08:49   he’s against the death penalty and in favor of equality for women, he’s in favor
08:53   of welcoming migrants, and says he’s in favor of the total elimination of nuclear weapons.
08:56   So according to Eric Zemmour, the Pope must…
08:59   Extraordinary, I tell you, I was saying all this when I was 14,
09:02   and I grew up in the ’70s. —Does the Pope have to defend
09:07   the Catholic heritage? Doesn’t he have to go further?
09:13   Into this field of politics and geo-politics? —He doesn’t defend
09:16   the Catholic heritage. On the contrary, he sells it out.
09:19   You know, I have a rather simple thesis about the Pope.
09:23   I think he understood something that distressed his predecessors,
09:27   and it’s that Europe is de-Christianizing
09:30   at a phenomenal speed. And that outside of that, it is Christianity,
09:33   I keep repeating it over and over again,
09:36   that made France, that made Europe. So he considers, like many people around him,
09:42   that Europe without Christianity is going to die. And that,
09:46   in any case, it is better to let it die, or at least
09:49   it is better to leave it to others. Especially to Islam.
09:53   And he makes a strategic choice, he’s chosen geo-strategy.
09:57   There are continents where there are still a lot of Christians,
10:00   or in any case, there’s a lot of conversion.
10:03   For example in China. For example in South America. For example in Africa.
10:08   That’s where the demographic and political potential is,
10:12   and I was almost going to say economic potential.
10:15   Europe, unfortunately, is in the process of de-Christianizing. So he is sacrificing Europe.
10:20   He is sacrificing Europe. He dresses this terrifying geostrategic choice
10:25   for Europeans and European Catholics
10:30   with a discourse of universalist veneer and “Care Bear love”.
10:34   I don’t think that brings honor to this pope.
10:39   I don’t know, who wants to react?
10:44   My last question: what bothers you the most? The fact that he criticizes Europe,
10:47   or the fact that he’s using this universalist discourse? What bothers you the most?
10:52   All of it bothers me. All of it bothers me.
10:57   I mean, this pope, as you can see, is obviously an enemy of Europe.
11:02   He has taken the side of the enemies of Europe. He’s speaking for the extreme Left,
11:08   who hate the heritage of Europe and our countries.
11:12   You know, Catholics are not obliged to obey the pope
11:17   if he becomes political. They have to obey the pope,
11:20   as I said earlier, for the principle of subsidiarity.
11:23   They have to obey the pope for the dogma, but this is not dogma. He’s becoming political.
11:28   Catholics aren’t obliged to obey him. —Marc. —I’d like to touch on two or three points,
11:34   but I don’t have time to develop everything. —No, no. No time.
11:38   The first point is about the hegemony
11:42   of Christian dogma, which a number of popes have wanted.
11:46   In a few moments, we’ll talk about Boniface VIII.
11:50   Meaning, at that time, the Pope dreamed of Europe as a Christian kingdom.
11:55   So it was extremely political. They wanted to reign over kings.
12:00   That’s the first point, no, but it’s to remind you, because you always like historical references.
12:04   You’re right, you’re right. —The second point, I’d like to say
12:10   I reflect on, is his mentality. When you evoke
12:15   his youth in Argentina, you mustn’t forget, what happened
12:20   in Argentina, with murders. —A dictatorship.
12:24   A horror of barbarism, which was led by the military,
12:27   and I think there was s a kind of bruising
12:30   that gave the him desire for a better world.
12:34   No but, it’s to accept what he is. —I totally agree with that,
12:38   on both points. 1. Popes have always been in politics.
12:41   You are absolutely right, but, precisely, the King of France
12:45   has always resisted. That’s what you’re going to tell me. —But OK, no, but I agree. In particular.
12:49   There have always been theocratic tendencies in the church,
12:53   but it was fought by Jesus Christ’s own words.
12:56   The kingdom is not to summon. We give back to Caesar what belongs to Caesar and to God
12:59   what belongs to God. Well, I am sending it back to the Pope today.
13:03   All right, but I want to say that the intention of Boniface VIII
13:06   And all the others, it was the same. The other point is how in this case of John Paul II,
13:15   John Paul II was an extremely political pope. He fought against communism and helped to bring
13:23   communism to an end. —You are right. I had said all the Popes are political. —Demetri.
13:26   Pope Francis, by the way, in the U.S. had a very bad time,
13:29   he was described as a crypto communist. —They are right. —And besides that,
13:33   there was still resistance to a point of this encyclical because it was entitled “Fratelli Tutti”,
13:37   all brothers, and he was reproached for giving it that title.
13:41   This is the very principle of the Left.
13:46   It’s never left enough.
13:51   And that — and that’s the history of the French Revolution.
13:55   You can never be left enough. And so the pack will have to make every effort to please
13:59   these people. They will never please them enough because he’s the pope of the Catholic Church;
14:05   whether they like it or not, he’s not the great imam of Al-Azhar University in Cairo.
14:10   I still think that there’s a point that explains to his personal convictions but also
14:14   political positioning vis-à-vis the evangelicals, I think.
14:17   He and South Americans, as you mentioned, there’s a lively competition
14:21   within the Catholic Church. —I said that. —That’s a part of it. —I’m saying
14:24   he’s after countries where there are still Christians. —That’s right.

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14 thoughts on “Eric Zemmour: Pope Francis and the De-Christianizing of Europe

  1. This pope is Islamic pope, I never see something like that before, importing illegal Islamic savages to the Christian countries in Europe, He can take this parasites and go back to Argentina where He belongs..

    • Amen. Go take a canoe up the Amazon. In the meantime a Christian leader who will start crusading around the homeland and drive the savages from our temples. Not the other way around.

    • Somehow I don’t think Argentina cries for him very much.

      As for where he belongs, Hell is a good starting point. Although, such a betrayer of the believers should suffer at least a little in this life. Preferably by the tenderizing sodomy of dozens of the orcs he advocating importing.

  2. As the Head of the Catholic Church he has the Vatican which is a TAX exempt independent state so this Poop could open his gates and hose many migrants whether they be legal or illegal. But has he done so ? no he has not taken one migrant into the Vatican.
    This in its self a reason to remove all Tax exempt status from all religions, let alone the Catholic Church.

  3. Pope Francis is the worst pope since the middle ages. I find his outlook to be both ridiculous and ignorant. I’m a Catholic but I can’t stand this pope although I’m sure he is a very good man.

    Furthermore, I think Popes should stay completely out of politics. They should be focusing on the spiritual progress of the Catholic church.

    In the meantime, I hope you stay well, dear Baron

    • @ Maria

      Perhaps, as a practicing Catholic, you have to qualify your statement of criticism of Pope Francis by inserting “..although I am sure he is a good man.” Come again?

      Pope Francis is plainly a thoroughly compromised individual, a man of weak character, vacuous so-called morality, and small intellectual gifts. A mediocrity elevated far-above his modest talents. He is for-sale, though, to the highest bidder, which is probably how he got into the Papacy in the first place. The rumor has it that Soros owns him, and pulls his puppet strings. And let us not forget that he is a hardcore socialist.

      Francis has the blood of innocents upon his hands, because of his weak stance against Islam and his open borders position. The man cannot be so stupid as to be ignorant of the enormous toll of violence and suffering inflicted by the Saracens against Christians and other non-Muslims (infidels) over the centuries, yet with an airy wave of his hand, none of that matters.

      All across Europe, lands traditionally within Christendom, the soldiers of Allah are preying upon innocent men, women, and children. Many of those victims are Catholics. Does the reprehensible Francis even care? From the looks of it, not at all.

    • Thank you! I am also Catholic, and I agree with you in general, but not about Francis being “a good man”. He sometimes pretend to be so, specially when the press is near… It is probably only a “show”…

  4. Those bloody damn Jesuits are at it again, destroying from within, where the heck are the Knight’s Templar, they knew how to deal with these heretics?

  5. Catholics aren’t Christians. Jesus, through the New Testament, condemned icons, and praying to any but God and though himself. There would be no Saints in a Christian house. The Pope is welcoming Islamist destruction of the West.

    • Psst, The Catholic Church is the first Christian church, the rest are no so much. As for this Heretic Pope, the day he is gone is not a day too soon. Deo Volente.

      • It was NOT the first Christian Church at all. It didn’t even exist in biblical times. it was founded in 325AD. The Bible talks about many churches that the Apostles founded. You can find them in Revelation. Furthermore, Paul, the super Jew preached in Rome and Peter was never in Rome at all.

        Your church has been exposed as the Second Babylon as told by Alexander Hislop. Sorry, but your declaration does not agree with History.

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