What Drives the Jews to the AfD?

It is commonly assumed by the media — and also much of the general public — that Jews in Germany are afraid of the “right-extreme” AfD (Alternative für Deutschland, Alternative for Germany) because of its alleged Jew-hatred.

However, as most of us “Islamophobes” know, the real source of Jew-hatred in Germany and elsewhere in Western Europe lies on the Left, and especially among Muslims, who have formed an alliance with the Jew-hating Left.

The following video from Junge Freiheit features a discussion about Jews in the AfD, with two members of a group called the Federal Association of Jews in the AfD as special guests. They explain that the AfD actually enjoys widespread support from Jews in Germany, but news about this is routinely suppressed by the prominent Jewish interest groups that are in bed with the German establishment — or more precisely, with the international globalists who call the shots for the German establishment. Those mainstream Jewish groups, along with analogous Catholic and Protestant interest groups, routinely propagandize against the AfD.

Many thanks to MissPiggy for the translation, and to Vlad Tepes for the subtitling:

Video transcript:

00:08   Welcome back here to the Junge Freiheit book fair stand.
00:12   I hope everyone is able to hear us. There are far more in attendance than usual.
00:20   Please help me welcome the two guests for our next discussion round,
00:25   Dr. Vera Kosova and Mr. Artur Abramovych.
00:31   Both of my guests… Thank you.
00:41   Both of my guests have interesting positions that we want to talk about today.
00:47   Both are on the board of the Federal Association of Jews in the AfD. Dr. Kosova is Chairman and
00:51   Mr. Abramovych is Vice-Chairman of the Federal Association of Jews in the AfD.
00:55   Many people have a lot of questions, but before we start with that,
00:59   I’d like to say a little something about our two guests.
01:03   Neither was born in Germany. They came to Germany as contingent refugees.
01:07   Mrs. Kosova came to Germany from Uzbekistan in 1998 at the age of 16.
01:15   Mr. Abramovych, oh, I have to look once again, came from Ukraine.
01:20   Exactly, also in 1998, at the age of two.
01:24   Yes. Mrs. Kosova, you’re a doctor; that’s why you have the title of doctor.
01:28   Mr. Abramovych, I have to ask once again:
01:31   have you completed your Master’s degree, or are you currently working on it?
01:34   OK, so you are currently working on it. You have your Bachelor’s and are currently
01:37   completing your final thesis for a master’s in literature. OK, that’s right.
01:40   Interestingly, both of you became members of the AfD in 2017. —2016. —Oh, OK, back in 2016.
01:48   So I have to ask you right away, many think, “Oh, Jews in the AfD,
01:51   that’s strange” and assume most Jews
01:54   became members in 2013 when Mr. Lücke was still there.
01:58   So why did you join during the time between 2016-2017?
02:03   First I would like to say thank you for the invitation,
02:07   and also for the attention that is given to us here at this booth.
02:11   So why did I join in March of 2016? I had been observing the party since 2015.
02:18   For me personally, I wasn’t active in any party before or a member of one. It was a development.
02:27   My first child, my son, came into the world in 2015 and that was the same year the migration crisis
02:36   happened at the European borders. I saw the pictures
02:40   of a Budapest railway station and that worried me very much.
02:45   I was, to a certain degree, scared. My impression was
02:51   that over the course of several months, a pronounced loss of control
02:57   was present — not only in national politics but also in European politics.
03:01   Slowly it became clear, little by little, how it was actually connected
03:06   with all the problems of domestic security.
03:10   I realised that the uncontrolled mass immigration,
03:14   predominantly from the Muslim cultural sphere, would be difficult
03:18   not only for Jews in Germany but for Jews in all of Europe.
03:23   I had a look at the political spectrum in Germany. At all the parties.
03:27   Unfortunately I discovered that there was only one party, namely
03:32   the Alternative for Germany, that addresses the topic at all.
03:37   They even make it a priority. It was the only party
03:40   that I could consider choosing as a politically engaged and
03:44   politically interested person and where I could imagine myself getting involved.
03:54   Mr. Abramovych, you joined in 2017. That’s one year after the AfD —
03:58   let me put it this way — started its descending path
04:02   towards becoming a so-called very, very “evil” party.
04:06   So why would you join such an “evil” party in 2017?
04:10   For me there was a very pragmatic reason:
04:16   I had just turned 21 years old in 2017, so still quite young.
04:23   I didn’t join a party before that time, because from my point view then,
04:27   more experienced people should be involved in politics.
04:31   As Vera just mentioned, 2015 was of course a turning point for the Jewish community in Germany.
04:43   At that time, even the Jewish Central Council seemed to be aware of it.
04:51   There was a statement that Chairman Josef Schuster made
04:55   that created a s*** storm because he demanded
04:59   a limit to immigration, but he then withdrew his statement.
05:03   So you can say that even the Jewish Central Council,
05:06   despite all its dependence on German government, was also aware of this fact.
05:10   Before that, the AfD had dealt primarily with economic issues.
05:15   As a philologist I don’t understand much about economics.
05:20   In addition to that, the foreign policy of the AfD under Lücke’s leadership
05:26   didn’t differ so much from that of the CDU.
05:35   The current criticism from the AfD of the German government’s policy
05:41   towards Israel isn’t something that existed at that time.
05:47   So that would be the second reason. I would say,
05:52   the foreign policy of the AfD is a predominant reason,
05:58   and independent of the AfD, would be the developments happening in Germany.
06:06   The AfD is call an anti-Semitic, right-wing extremist party.
06:11   Why weren’t both of you frightened off by the reputation of this party?
06:16   To start with, this reputation is often used politically,
06:20   and that’s supported by the media. I have to honestly say,
06:25   from my subjective perspective, and most of you will probably agree,
06:29   at least some of you, that in Germany
06:33   there is no easier way to defame someone than to place them in
06:37   the right-wing corner. Yes, just grab the Nazi bludgeon.
06:40   It’s used very gladly, very often and mostly without differentiation.
06:45   By such means this era, the Nazi Germany era,
06:51   is relativised or trivialised. This is of course also very disturbing for us as Jews altogether,
06:59   and it has an external effect. Just speaking for myself,
07:03   I’ve never considered our party, from my subjective experience
07:07   inside the party, to be right-wing extremist, xenophobic or anti-Semitic.
07:11   So that’s what counts for me personally.
07:15   I’ve never experienced anyone rejecting me
07:19   because of my migration background or due to my Jewish background.
07:22   So I can in no way confirm this reputation.
07:28   Yes, Mr. Abramovych, please tell us; it will interest us to hear your point of view.
07:32   I think it is especially easier for people of foreign origin
07:38   to find their place in the AfD than it is for autochthonous Germans.
07:46   For the simple reason that the entire buildup of pressure,
07:52   from the calls for a boycott to physical violence, comes from Germans. Not from foreigners.
08:01   Recently I was told about an incident that was an extremely eye opening experience for me.
08:05   The chairman of the Young Alternative Berlin, Vadim Derksen is
08:10   his name, a friend of mine. He was in a pub
08:15   with other party members when the waiter, a German whose name was Tobias,
08:20   found out they were from the Young Alternative.
08:24   He didn’t want serve them anymore. So they complained to his boss,
08:29   who is a native of Romania. He apologised
08:33   for Tobias, and gave them a round on the house.
08:38   He then asked them to stay and drink more. If we take a look at
08:44   our neighbouring countries, there is hardly a country that is as leftist as Germany.
08:56   Instead of learning from political developments abroad, the Germans —
09:02   or rather the leading newspapers in Germany —
09:08   try to defame other countries. I don’t know how they manage to maintain
09:12   the balancing act of presenting themselves as
09:16   cosmopolitan with the number of countries they criticise. The list is getting longer and longer.
09:24   It’s not only Hungary and Poland, but now also the U.S. and Italy,
09:29   and then Great Britain, the Czech Republic, and
09:33   Israel is also part of it. The term “right” in Israel is anything
09:39   but an insult. It is an absolutely normal word,
09:45   without any negative connotation and therefore the way in which
09:52   the AfD is attacked is for a Jew or for European foreigners
09:59   probably far less effective than with autochthonous Germans.
10:04   Have you experienced any anti-Semitism or any kind of rejection in the AfD? Be brutally honest.
10:12   There are anti-Semites in the AfD. We have never denied that.
10:17   The AfD is a party with 30,000 members; if there were none
10:21   then it would be a miracle. Do you want me to name names?
10:26   No, I would like to know if you personally
10:30   have experienced something like that and if so, what for example? —Oh so you mean concrete actions?
10:35   Yes, words or evil looks? Something like that. —No, not directly.
10:39   Most of them dare not initiate a personal confrontation.
10:42   You just hear it through a third party. With the Muslims it’s different.
10:48   They have no problem refusing a handshake, or just turn around
10:56   during the conversation. —Now you are speaking in general? —Yes, not in the AfD.
11:00   I don’t think there are many Muslims in the AfD. —There are some, but OK, you both are AfD members.
11:08   According to current logic, as was expressed recently by Mr. Scholz,
11:14   you are both jointly responsible for the anti-Semitic
11:20   assassination attempt or the anti-Semitic amok-run in Halle. How do you deal with this guilt?
11:25   There’s no guilt at all. This whole thing is a politically staged theatre.
11:31   It’s clearly a political exploitation of this attack,
11:37   and that cannot be simply dismissed. For me,
11:42   my impression is that the establishment parties trot out
11:47   such events to exploit them accordingly over the media.
11:51   However, reality and the actual statistics tell a completely different story,
11:56   and therefore in my eyes it is just completely vile.
12:00   First of all, it is a vile way to treat the victims.
12:03   The attack targeted a Jewish synagogue, and it should be Jews leading the discussion.
12:11   It surprised me that not even 24 hours went by before
12:16   the political spin came from the so-called political elite.
12:21   Immediately the accusations flew, and those responsible had to be defined.
12:26   Of course it was the opposition,
12:31   the political competition, our party. At this point,
12:35   I really had to ask myself: what kind of a political culture do we have?
12:40   Is there no sense of decency? We didn’t even wait
12:45   for the difficult emotional phase to pass so that people could comprehend what had just happened.
12:52   Everything starts emotionally. Once that has passed, only then, should we move into the
12:56   critical political analytical discussion, in order understand what happened.
13:01   That was a very clear sign for me that the current form of politics has no decency.
13:06   Please answer as well. Thank you. —I would just like to add
13:13   that there had been similar cases in recent weeks and months,
13:22   without firearms, without Merkel and her vassals having held
13:30   any memorial events. This opportunity was immediately
13:38   taken advantage of the same evening. Sawsan Chebli called everyone
13:43   to visit the synagogue on the Oranienburger Straße,
13:48   and Merkel came too. —In Berlin. —Yes, exactly. Not in Halle. The
13:55   amusing thing is that the same synagogue
14:01   on the Oranienburger Straße had been attacked on Friday before.
14:06   So Yom Kippur was on Tuesday, and on the Friday before that,
14:10   this synagogue was attacked by a Syrian who was armed with a knife.
14:16   He was overwhelmed by the security forces.
14:21   Without Merkel and Sawsan Chebli making a pilgrimage to the synagogue
14:25   to show their solidarity with the Jews.
14:29   I would like to point out that this Syrian was released the next day
14:33   by the prosecutor’s office because they saw no reasons for an arrest.
14:37   Just to be fair, at least the media presented it this way,
14:40   he was assessed as mentally disturbed or psychologically disturbed.
14:44   That’s different from someone who consciously commits a political attack.
14:49   Just wanted to add that. —Well, I don’t know if you still
14:54   have sufficient confidence in the assessment of these forensic doctors,
14:58   but I believe that the number of cases in which
15:05   mental illness is declared by Muslim perpetrators is much higher than among non-Muslim ones.
15:12   Mr. Abramovych. You both just mentioned or spoke of
15:17   the political exploitation, and both of you have also taken
15:23   a very clear position. What I would like to ask is — prior to the exploitation,
15:28   the attack happened. For everyone it was awful,
15:33   but what I wanted to know was: how did it make you feel? The attack,
15:37   because it was clearly an anti-Semitic right-wing extremist.
15:41   That is, according to current information about the alleged offender’s confession.
15:46   Well, I heard something else. —Go ahead.
15:52   It was circulated that the perpetrator’s attorney made a statement
15:57   in which he said that from his client’s point of view,
16:02   one doesn’t have to be a right-wing extremist to be anti-Semite
16:06   or something like that. So whether this guy saw himself
16:09   as a right-wing extremist is still doubt. Apart from that,
16:16   he was a “lone wolf”. He acted on his own, without any kind of
16:23   structures supporting him. He wasn’t instigated by anyone to do this.
16:28   One of the few things we have in common
16:33   with the Jewish Central Council is that we, including myself,
16:38   wish that there had been more protection available
16:43   for the Jewish community. Physical protection. So in that respect, it is a disgrace
16:50   that the Jewish community in Halle didn’t get protection,
16:58   despite the fact that they asked for it in the run-up to Yom Kippur celebrations. —Yes, please.
17:03   My statement principally goes in the same direction.
17:08   The fact was played down, negated or concealed in the media that
17:14   the Jewish community in Halle, in the context of their preparation
17:18   for the Yom Kippur celebration, asked for more police protection.
17:22   They asked for more security. They were screaming for it.
17:25   There were probably already external indications that something
17:28   might possibly happen. This is an unfortunate shameful situation
17:32   for a Jewish community in Germany, but it’s not surprising,
17:36   because there are constant threats. This protection, this police protection,
17:41   this security, the intensification before
17:45   the most important Jewish holiday, was not granted. This must be said quite clearly.
17:51   No one took the cries for help seriously.
17:56   This must also be stated by the chancellor. What I want to say is really simple.
18:01   It is important that the anti-Semitism debate
18:05   be led openly, honestly and broadly. There’s a right-wing anti-Semitism;
18:08   there’s a left-wing anti-Semitism,
18:11   and there is Muslim anti-Semitism. Muslim anti-Semitism clearly dominates
18:15   in the statistics, and also does especially among
18:19   the surveys done among the Jews. The German police crime statistics
18:24   don’t apply, because they do not represent the reality.
18:29   That’s because as soon as the perpetrator cannot be clearly identified the crime is assigned to the
18:34   “right” end of the spectrum. We’re not going to solve these problems in this country by doing this,
18:37   and that’s certainly not going to stop anti-Semitism. That needs to be said very clearly.
18:40   So at this point and for that reason, I would like to open the discussion now.
18:44   That’s where we see ourselves tasked as Jews in the AfD
18:47   to talk about the problems openly and honestly.
18:50   That the only way we will be able to solve the problems. Thank you.
18:57   That is completely correct and you are already at the core of the conversation.
19:02   Nevertheless, please allow me to ask about the founding of your association,
19:05   otherwise we might miss that. You founded
19:08   within the party an association, namely the association
19:11   Jews of the AfD, and before we come to your point,
19:15   please tell us why it was necessary to do so, or why did you at some
19:19   point feel the need to organise yourselves?
19:23   There wasn’t necessarily a necessity to form this group. It happened on its own.
19:31   As you probably already know, there are several interest groups within
19:34   the AfD. We have the Christians in the AfD, we have the Russian-Germans
19:37   in the AfD, we have the homosexuals in the AfD.
19:40   So it was a development that occurred little by little.
19:43   At some point we asked ourselves, “OK, why isn’t there an interest group for the Jews of the AfD?”
19:47   as an interest group. We are our own association;
19:50   the association is not part of the AfD, but we are party-related.
19:53   As experts we are at the disposal of our party friends at any time
19:57   and in any case. We are happy to advise them and
20:01   happy to support their statements. Principally this is a natural development,
20:06   and part of the professionalisation of a party,
20:11   of a young party. It’s not some innovative concept.
20:16   The other parties, the older parties, have so-called working groups,
20:22   where the Jews organise themselves,
20:26   but they just aren’t as present in the media. I also think that they don’t
20:31   necessarily make a substantial political contribution
20:34   to Jewish topics or contents become more present.
20:37   And I think that we are already stronger in this area.
20:42   Mr. Abramovych, can you briefly describe how many members
20:45   your association has? Or is it two-man show?
20:48   How many Jews are there in the AfD? What is your potential, so to speak?
20:53   Yes, I’m afraid I’ll have to take over the unpleasant part.
20:58   We founded the association with 24 founding members,
21:02   full members. It’s possible to have a sponsoring membership.
21:07   Most of the sponsoring members are AfD members
21:12   who aren’t Jewish. There are also a few Jews who support us, but don’t want to join the AfD.
21:18   Only those who are Jewish and AfD members can become full members.
21:22   The number of members has remained practically
21:25   the same. As with every association within the AfD,
21:30   the number of members changed due to a few withdrawals
21:35   at the beginning. In the single digits. Since then we’ve developed
21:40   a clear strategy, things have become more homogeneous,
21:44   and we work together better. There have also been a few new memberships,
21:49   but the number of full members
21:53   has not changed much. It probably won’t change
21:56   in the foreseeable future, either. Unless the AfD grows significantly,
21:59   or unless the media drumbeat against the AfD dies down,
22:03   it probably won’t change. You have to consider
22:08   That in Germany it is estimated about every 500th person is Jewish.
22:14   If you apply that to the AfD, then you only get a few dozen.
22:20   So there won’t be much more than what we already have.
22:24   So that’s a few dozen. Does that mean that the majority
22:27   of Jews in the AfD aren’t in your association? —No. I assume,
22:31   I’m almost sure, that the majority of the Jews of the AfD
22:35   are members with us. —So it’s really a manageably small number then.
22:39   The AfD only has 30,000 members. —Yes, yes.
22:42   Good. Of course. So then, and this is actually the answer you just gave
22:46   about starting the debate. It may be the answer
22:50   to the next question I intended to ask. You have published
22:53   this brochure or book, depending on what you want to call it.
22:56   A collective volume. Exactly. So this is not something the two of you wrote,
23:01   although you also made a small contribution;
23:06   it’s a collection of different contributions, including some
23:09   from non-Jews in the AfD, such as, for example, Beatrix von Storch
23:13   or the greeting from Mr. Kalbitz. —Those are just written greetings.
23:17   The authors, the contributors are, without exception, Jewish people.
23:21   Yes, but if I understood correctly, it includes Jewish authors who aren’t in the AfD,
23:25   like Daniel Pipes for example. —Yes. —Mr. Pipes is from America.
23:28   I’m sure a few people recognise that name. Daniel Pipes is a renowned Islam critic.
23:32   So now, why was it necessary to publish this brochure?
23:36   To open the debate, but why concretely? —Not necessary in that sense,
23:40   but it was a project of ours. A mammoth project,
23:45   if you can imagine, with our personnel. It was really very, very
23:50   very time-consuming. Mr. Abramovych was in charge,
23:56   and sometimes had to whip some of the protagonists and
24:01   activists in his project so that we would finally make progress,
24:07   but I think he did that very well. You’ll find themes, accents,
24:14   foundations for discussion that you wouldn’t find in any other
24:22   Established book on the subject of anti-Semitism or Jews in Germany.
24:26   Yes, so of course, I recommend this brochure.
24:30   The anthology or the book, reads quite wonderfully in my eyes,
24:37   and everyone can read it. You don’t need
24:44   a philological, theological, linguistic or German studies background.
24:48   Any normal person can understand what is written
24:53   in this book, especially if you have the affinity and an openness to
24:59   the topic. So from our perspective, this was
25:04   a further step in the development of our association. With it, we’re sending
25:07   the message: We are here, we have topics
25:10   that we can present, and we’re ready for every discussion.
25:14   I’m also really curious about criticisms from the outside, and reviews.
25:18   We can learn from every type of critic. Any time. We’re ready.
25:22   On the whole, perhaps with regard to the follow-up book,
25:25   if one should appear. Every purchased book helps
25:29   support our cause. I would be happy about that too. The impulse actually
25:35   came from outside. As you might know, there’s a book called “Christians in the AfD”.
25:39   I knew about the book and that also somehow gave me the idea
25:44   to start our project. Naturally we aren’t as strong as
25:49   the Christians financially, because our number of members is lower,
25:53   but we found a supporter who was willing
25:57   to make the investment, and that was our publisher.
26:03   We are, by all means, very grateful for their help in making this possible.
26:11   The time is flying by. So now I would really like to get to the point
26:15   that you made earlier and the one everyone
26:18   is most interested in. Especially if we’re interested in an invitation
26:22   to begin a debate with your collection.
26:25   What would you both suggest now or what needs to change in the debate?
26:30   As you said, it has to change. How much?
26:35   First of all, I would like or wish that we would
26:39   call the problem child by its real name and that we could just
26:43   look the truth in the eye. We need to say, “Yes, Germany has an anti-Semitism problem,” and
26:47   admit the problem that we have comes from Muslim culture.
26:52   That would be the first step. If we know that there is this problem
26:57   then you have to consider how to deal with the problem and what measures can be derived from it.
27:03   Except we’re not able to get to step 2, because we don’t name the problem.
27:07   This is exactly the first hurdle that can
27:10   or must be taken before we can think further.
27:14   Let me ask you a few questions, then. You say the problem comes
27:19   mainly from the Islamic Muslim cultural circle; can you prove that, or is that your impression?
27:24   There is a study from 2017, by Professor Andreas Zick
27:29   from the University of Bielefeld, which is publicly accessible.
27:34   He conducted an online survey of over 500 Jews in Germany, anonymised,
27:40   and they said clearly that this data
27:46   is statistically significant. Most of the attacks in everyday life
27:50   come from Muslims, and the remaining attacks are
27:54   divided between Right and Left. This is exactly what is important to me.
27:59   Getting this reality communicated
28:04   to the public or society in general. I want people to know, OK,
28:09   there’s the problem, and then they have to take
28:15   the first step without trivialising the other areas, of course.
28:19   I’ll pass this to Artur again, so perhaps he could specify some things.
28:23   Please also explain what you think how the debate should be conducted in a different way. Please.
28:30   Or did you want to quote a few numbers? —Yes, as a supplement,
28:35   perhaps the study by the Institute for Interdisciplinary Conflict
28:39   and Violence Research. That doesn’t actually sound like it’s favourable
28:44   towards us, but in fact the numbers we found are there.
28:50   62% of verbal anti-Semitism attacks are of Muslim origin and 81% of physical attacks.
29:02   Well, you have to keep in mind that Muslims are only about 10% of the population.
29:13   So 81% of the physical attacks are committed by 10% of the population,
29:18   and it’s even more than the non-physical ones.
29:23   To put it crudely, that means the Muslim is ready to strike quickly,
29:28   along with the fact that he is also much more anti-Semitic.
29:33   But that’s actually only the first step. In our book we’ve assigned all
29:38   the contributions to three thematic groupings.
29:42   We used Gottfried Benn’s political maxim for these groupings. The first is:
29:47   Situation. So, it’s about recognising the situation.
29:52   The situation is anti-Semitism, and more importantly,
29:56   recognising the nature and origin of today’s anti-Semitism.
30:00   The second group is dysfunction, to recognise the dysfunction.
30:05   That’s all about the Jewish self-hatred that still exists,
30:11   and about finding the traitor within one’s own ranks.
30:15   To give an example: George Soros, Schwartz; in Hungarian, it means black.
30:28   There you have it, his last name is actually Schwartz. All Hungarian Jews are German.
30:32   Everyone knows this man, whether Right or Left, and he is extremely present
30:36   in the public debate. This is how he fights.
30:40   In the U.S. there are very formidable Jews who support unions and movements
30:44   that are totally opposed to the ones financed
30:52   by Soros. For example, Sheldon Adelson. Unfortunately,
30:58   he is not well-known here. So then, Soros is also used
31:04   by the political Left as a weapon against the political Right in that
31:09   any critical confrontation with him is immediately defamed
31:15   as anti-Semitism and then everyone acts as if his activity,
31:20   his engagement is Jewishness par excellence.
31:25   So he has the power of interpretation over all things Jewish,
31:28   and anyone who is against that is anti-Semitic. That’s not the case
31:31   at all, and people have to become aware it. This is the second step.
31:36   The third is assets. Use your assets. We are concerned
31:41   with our Jewish traditions. These traditions
31:44   were revived in Israel because Jews make up the majority.
31:48   There Jewish traditions could be revived undisturbed, for the most part undisturbed. Here,
31:52   unfortunately, they are almost forgotten, because public opinion about Judaism
31:57   is determined by liberal Jews, by reformed Jews, who have very little to do with
32:02   our understanding of Judaism. So it’s about reflecting back on these things
32:06   which are, unfortunately, hardly talked about at all.
32:11   The Left attempts to make Judaism… which is why the foundation
32:17   of Judaism in the AfD was so misunderstood.
32:22   The Left assumes that the Jew has to stand up for all those enslaved.
32:28   Because they think the Shoah is to be interpreted
32:34   universally, making the Jew a concept of universalism.
32:39   However, in our opinion Judaism has a very strong
32:44   particularistic side, which unfortunately is completely neglected
32:49   in Germany. —Maybe you can explain it, for those
32:53   who don’t understand. Explain what you mean
32:56   by the particularistic side? Can that be done in one sentence?
32:59   Yes, I’ll try to explain it. In Judaism there are 613 commandments,
33:03   but these commandments are valid only for Jews.
33:07   For gentiles there are seven commandments to keep.
33:11   Nothing could be further from the mind of the Jew,
33:14   especially an Orthodox Jew, than to convince a non-Jew to do something he doesn’t want to do
33:20   or doesn’t think he has to do. So these seven Noahidic commandments
33:25   that gentiles have to keep are so basal that
33:31   actually they are the fundament of practically every civilisation.
33:34   So you mean like, “Thou shall not murder,”
33:37   or something similar? —Yes, exactly. Like that. —For these reasons,
33:41   Jews are almost never converted by missionary work.
33:44   Judaism is not only a religion but at the same time
33:47   a nation of people and has remained a nation of people.
33:50   First it was a people, and then one says, or more precisely Hans-Joachim Schoeps once wrote it:
33:56   “On Passover, when we remember the exodus from Egypt,
34:01   on Passover the Jewish people came into being.”
34:05   So this people’s identity was created by a march out of Egypt
34:10   and 49 days later at Sinai, that’s the fest of Shavuot,
34:15   which reminds us that Judaism was established as a religion, as a covenant
34:19   with God, but it is both at the same time.
34:22   If you now compare that with Christianity, and I’m not talking about
34:27   this Christianity that is present in the media today,
34:31   churches that offer “vulva-painting” workshops and so forth, that’s
34:34   absolutely not even worth discussing anymore.
34:37   Real Christianity. Yes, even what I experienced with the Pius brotherhood
34:43   is still far more universalistic than Judaism.
34:51   These liberal reform Jews, who appear in the media,
34:56   claiming that they’re not even sure whether we are even Jews.
35:01   So of course these people don’t want to talk about that. —We are unfortunately almost
35:06   out of time, actually we’ve already gone over it, but nevertheless there’s still one last question.
35:10   I know, there are still so many questions. Everyone has one,
35:13   just like I do, because it’s a hot topic. My last question is:
35:16   Why doesn’t the Jewish Central Council
35:19   represent these interests? What’s wrong with it?
35:23   The other question is if our politicians and our public in general are
35:26   so very sensitive to the needs and problems of the Jews,
35:29   why aren’t they listening to this? Can you answer these questions?
35:33   So, I’ll answer the question about the Jewish Central Council. Perhaps first,
35:37   my mother was a state official for the Jewish Central Council.
35:40   And by the way, our fellow board member Wolfgang Fuhl
35:43   was even on the board of directors of the Central Council.
35:46   He also made a contribution to your book. —Exactly,
35:49   he also took part in our book project. So he was a member
35:53   of the board of directors at the federal level of the Jewish Central Council.
35:57   For a long time, the Central Council was a rather conservative association
36:02   for the reasons we have just mentioned. It has reconciled itself recently with the
36:15   reformed Jews and that has of course already led to a certain changes in personnel.
36:21   We need to mention the fact
36:25   that the same problem exists with the Catholic dioceses
36:31   and the National Evangelical churches. This dependency,
36:38   the financial dependency on the German state, on the Federal Republic. I have already spoken about
36:46   Josef Schuster’s statement of 2015. He took it back,
36:50   after the s*** storm and after he was put under pressure.
36:55   He then published another press release in which the phrase “upper limit” no longer appeared.
37:03   We also see it among the functionaries. Among the still active functionaries
37:07   who are sympathetic to our cause and
37:11   those with whom we have contact. There are also rabbis
37:15   who cannot afford to take our side in public,
37:20   because otherwise they would be extremely… to give another current example of this, we have a
37:27   very kind-hearted Israeli Jew in Offenbach who wanted to come today.
37:33   I don’t know if he’s here? He didn’t want join us
37:39   or get involved with us just because he is professionally dependent.
37:43   He’s in the catering business and does business
37:46   with the Jewish community in Frankfurt. So that’s reason enough
37:50   for him to not support us, at least publicly.
37:55   Welcome to opinion-free Germany. Could you then perhaps answer the question?
37:59   Or if you want to add to that, otherwise please answer the question
38:03   about why haven’t German politicians, or why doesn’t the German public — normally both
38:06   are so sensitive to the needs of Jews — so why aren’t they listening? —That’s something you assume.
38:12   I’ll impertinently say I disagree with that, too.
38:17   The official Germany, the political Germany, it celebrates very gladly
38:22   the dead Jews of the Shoah, but the interests of the living,
38:26   whether here now in Germany or Europe or also Israel,
38:31   these don’t interest them. They aren’t in the focus of their politics.
38:36   Why not? —There are many different considerations.
38:42   On the one hand, through this celebration of the dead Jews or the Holocaust,
38:47   a certain exploitation of the event can take place.
38:52   In order to be able to take advantage in our society
38:56   through a special responsibility in many questions,
39:01   as a control mechanism. A guilt complex of overriding importance.
39:06   Of course, the dead have no voice, in the sense that
39:10   they can’t resist or contradict the whole thing.
39:14   It’s actually a very comfortable construction. So the living Jews have
39:18   their functionaries; as my colleague just said,
39:23   they are politically active and of course try to chum up with
39:29   the political mainstream. They make pacts with the establishment parties.
39:33   Mr. Schuster and Mrs. Knobloch are the essential representatives.
39:36   It’s easy to forget or maybe not always evident, but there’s a huge gap between
39:43   the functionaries and the base. There are unofficial sources that estimate
39:49   that 20% to 30% of Jews, Jewish Germans,
39:56   vote for or would like to vote for the AfD. That means
40:00   we already have a lot of encouragement, but the functionaries are still
40:04   so politically powerful that they don’t allow this open discourse or allow
40:08   this truth to get out. There’s so much more
40:12   that has to happen to break through this blockade. Many are afraid.
40:16   They have existential fears, and dependencies continue to exist.
40:21   The Jewish Central Council in Germany certainly controls much of this,
40:25   and let’s not forget that they have their own associations.
40:28   These also want to set their accents in certain places.
40:31   The Jewish Central Council also receives a federal subsidy
40:34   of €13 million per year, which shouldn’t be neglected.
40:38   So there’s a financial dependence to a higher level,
40:41   to the establishment parties that exists here as well.
40:45   It is just really complex. It is all connected. The same phenomenon
40:50   can be found within regional networks of churches. Even trade unions.
40:54   Yes, I know I don’t have to explain that to you.
40:57   We have arrived in German society. Even we Jews,
41:01   so to speak, are very well integrated into the system.
41:05   So we are fighting from the bottom up to change the system. —Thank you very much.
41:12   Thank you very much, first here to the Tech team,
41:15   that you have participated so long without having a revolt.
41:18   Thank you to our audience for staying with us the entire time. Standing.
41:21   If you want to delve deeper into the subject,
41:24   I highly recommend the indeed pleasantly readable brochure,
41:29   “What drives the Jews to AfD”. So, then perhaps next time
41:34   you’ll join us with your follow-up volume, which you have already announced,
41:38   in 2020 at our book fair booth. Thank you.

24 thoughts on “What Drives the Jews to the AfD?

  1. It is commonly assumed by the media — and also much of the general public — that Jews in Germany are afraid of the “right-extreme” AfD (Alternative für Deutschland, Alternative for Germany) because of its alleged Jew-hatred.

    And where does this common assumption come from? From Jews themselves. This is from The Times of Israel:

    Loathed by Jews, Germany’s far-right AfD loves the Jewish state

    Candidates for nationalist Alternative for Germany, derided as anti-Semitic, overwhelmingly profess to hold pro-Israel positions, poll shows

    Jews hate the Alternative for Germany, but the Alternative for Germany loves Jews — or at least the Jewish state, according to a new poll. The Jewish community largely condemned Sunday’s election victory of the far-right party, known in Germany as AfD, which garnered some 13 percent of the vote in Sunday’s national poll, making it the country’s third largest faction in parliament.

    • You are completely ignoring what the Jewish guests in this video said. They said that 20%-30% of ordinary Jews — not the leaders of the interest groups — support the AfD. That’s higher than among ethnic Germans. Do you think they’re mistaken, or lying? Do you believe what the media say, or what these two young people say?

      • I ignored nothing. I am well aware that many Jewish people support the AfD, Marine Le Pen, Donald Trump, Viktor Orbán and other alleged wicked anti-semites. But who makes these allegations about the anti-semitism of these people and organizations? Jewish organizations like the ADL, Jewish newpapers like the Times of Israel and Jewish journalists like Jonathan Freedland.

        So the painful fact is that Jewish power, money and influence are overwhelmingly against the AfD and the rest. And it is a fact.

        They said that 20%-30% of ordinary Jews — not the leaders of the interest groups — support the AfD. That’s higher than among ethnic Germans.

        Unfortunately, that 20%-30% don’t seem to have made their voices heard in the Jewish media. But the opposing 80-70% have.

        In any case, I don’t believe it’s 20%-30% and I won’t believe it until I see some better evidence.

        • I am a proud Jew and I support Donald Trump and the AFD. I do not support anti Semitism wherever it is. I used to be a liberal Democrat until I did an honest investigation of politics. Israel bashing by CNN and the N.Y. Times, Obama helped propel my search. I extensively researched all sides. My conclusion is that the left, including Islam, are the biggest perpetrators of anti Semitism.

  2. Why then are virtually all the influential Jews in Europe and America – and they are VERY influential – supporting uncontrolled mass immigration into Europe and America?

    • Because they are in the pay of the globalists, just like the leaders of interest groups for the Protestant Church. That was made quite clear in the video. The key phrase is “government subsidies”.

      • @Baron: do not overlook the Catholic Church too, and the role of the current Pope in developing “Chrislam”, the Argentinian Bergoglio, head of the Jesuit order in the 70s Dirty War and accomplice of the US-backed military junta at the time. Why did Bergoglio recently allow pagan offerings to Pachamama to be installed in a Roman church, from where Catholic activists took them to ump them in the Tiber?

        But I digress: I doubt you can provide us with a smoking gun for leading Jews being “in the pay of globalists”. This statement also denies them a will of their own and their own rational agenda and renders them merely venal.

        Instead, consider Prof Kevin McDonald at Occidental Observer: Multiculturalism is a Jewish post-Holocaust survival strategy and hence antisemitism is a rational answer to that.

        There are, after all, enough Jewish media statements about post-1945 fears of another Holocaust committed by homogenous white societies.

        Here is one such: Check the recent US statements by the Jewish anti-ICE group Never Again, and ponder why they call themselves Never Again? https://forward.com/news/national/427702/never-again-ice-protests-immigration/

        • Jewish leaders have just as much a will of their own as do the Christian leaders (Catholic and Protestant) who accept the filthy lucre of the globalists and do their bidding. The lure of Mammon is such that their will is bent towards obtaining it. There’s nothing abstruse about that; such has been the lot of man since Eve handed Adam the apple.

          As for the rest — yes, I’ve read that promoting mass immigration and Multiculturalism seems like a worthwhile strategy to Jewish leaders to pre-empt another Holocaust. It is plausible, but it’s still simply an assertion. I’ve never seen any substantive data to back it up, just citations of well-known writers who also assert it. I need to see statistical — as opposed to anecdotal — evidence.

          If what these two young German Jews say is true, then their globalist leaders do not represent them, any more than the Archbishop of Canterbury and the Presiding Bishop of the ECUSA represent me.

          • Statistical, Baron? you mean big numbers of (in this case) Jews determining immigration policy and the outcomes? As opposed to anecdotal, that is, a small number?

            May I remind you that as Chairman (alright, chairperson) of the Fed Reserve, Janet Yellen,
            talked of oligarchy, rule of the few.

            Or look at the detailed studies of which persons are running immigration in various US states; read Occidental Observer or Counter Currents, both US.

            It is not a matter of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion etc. but simply a coincidence of ethnic interest with a decline in Causcasian birth rates since the mid-60s and the “need” to boost aggregate Demand for the worshipful GDP by importing e.g. Congolese country-shoppers who make fine mortgagees and consumer loan takers.

            Has to be a reason why Greg Johnson (Counter Currents) just got expelled from Norway and Jared Taylor was banned in Poland.

          • You are citing occluded information — “There must be a reason”, and then you draw a conclusion based on what seems the most likely explanation, according to your own inclinations.

            White people are being traduced by their leaders. If what the Jews of the AfD are saying is true, Jews in Europe are also being traduced by their leaders, who do not represent them.

            Nothing in your reply has refuted my assertion. I don’t think you can refute it, because reliable data simply aren’t available.

            On the other hand, if what I say is true, then Jews in Europe are in the same bind as Gentiles in Europe. They have been betrayed, and their own leaders work against their interests.

          • As I see it, what they say is true, at least for today. In the past, the Zentralrat der Juden in Deutschland (Central Council of Jews in Germany), as the main Jewish organisation in Western Germany, founded as early as 1950, did a lot to re-establish Jewish life in Germany. For example by founding Jewish communities, claiming compensations after the war or simply promoting Jewish interests in a general way. As a whole, the Central Council was, and still is, a very influential force in post-war Germany. This is a simple fact, which is, as such, in my opinion neither good nor bad. However, it became problematic, when they used their influence to help suppressing any political flow or other tendency in German society, which might have supported politics that would have been in interest of the German people instead of more immigration, more EU, and other developments that any real conservative would view as undesirable. In political parties or intellectuals leaning to a more patriotic direction, they saw nothing but resurrected Nazis. Also I’m certain that this point of view of Jewish officials had nothing to do with being in the pay of globalist elitists, but was entirely genuine.

            Please do not misunderstand me at that point: as almost any German Jew had lost family members during the Nazi rule and many of the Central Council officials had suffered themselves, this is nothing to be wondered at. But, and that is the problem, with their actions they took part in creating the current situation whose roots go back in times long before the Merkel era. They helped create it, just as the Christian churches did, the universities, the media and virtually every important social force which have been leaning more and more to the left, during the decades since 1968.

            So, I would think, saying German Jewish officials are in the pay of globalist elitists, is kind of an oversimplification. They receive money from the German government and of course they want to keep it that way – who wouldn’t? – but apart from that, they simply belong to the German establishment whose majority promotes globalist interests. Because of that, there are pictures of Charlotte Knobloch, a former chairwoman of the Central Council (a very old lady who as a child had to hide from the Nazis in a small village in Bavaria, being passed off as the illegitimate daughter of her parents’ former housemaid, while her father, a Munich lawyer, hid elsewhere), laughing with Muslim officials and the Mullah-loving Green politician Claudia Roth while taking AfD members for Nazis. The last part I’m not happy about, but I can understand it, considering her biography, the first part is, quite frankly, beyond me.

            Most of the Jews in the AfD, and probably most of the party’s Jewish voters as well, are Russian-Jewish immigrants, who, like Vera Kosova and Artur Abramovych with their families, arrived in Germany in the years after 1990, and therefore took no part in processes having begun decades before. Maybe they do not even fully comprehend them. At least that’s the impression I got from their otherwise very interesting and very readable collection of essays.

            Anyway, these Jews from Russia seem to be able to realise that being a German patriot is not the same thing as being a Nazi. Apparently, having lived under communist rule gives one an advantage in seeing through propaganda. It’s the same with Eastern Germans or ethnic Germans from Russia, the latter having immigrated during the last 40 years. Among all these groups, support for the AfD is much stronger than in Western Germany where all the brainwashing by our wonderful government and media is taken for the truth by most people.

            PS: I apologize for my bad English and hope, I’m able to express what I mean on a topic as complicated as this one.

        • > “Multiculturalism is a Jewish post-Holocaust survival strategy”

          What evidence does MacDonald offer to support that claim?

          Does he suggest, invoking the usual suspects, that this alleged ‘strategy’ has been worked out in secret — by the ‘cabal’?

          If not, where is he finding it?

          It defies logic to think that an indiscriminate support of multiculturalism, and specifically of immigration from third world countries to the West, will lead to Jews being any safer than they were in majority white societies. Countries with majority brown or black populations don’t, as far as I know, profess special love of Jews; and the primitive cultures of many of those countries, in which swift resort to violence is often normative, makes affinity for Jews even less likely.

          Many liberal Jews (especially in America) do support multiculturalism, and those with their heads firmly in the sand will probably never change regardless of events and/or circumstances — but that’s not a characteristic exclusively of Jews. Look at all the non-Jews in the U.S. Congress and non-Jewish heads of major corporations who support it.

          As far as I can tell, most Jews who support multiculturalism see the issue as a moral one, not as a strategy.

          • @Michael Kraft: You are at liberty to read or watch McDonald yourself on the Net.

            Contrary to your 4th para., multicultural societies need to have iron central rule, stringent bans on free (hate) speech that offends one or the other minority and strong intelligence services and police; if you want to see how the US police state is forming up, with local police forces doing their training in Israel and designating US citizens as “civilians” , http://www.policestateusa.com/.

            Or read one of the last interviews given by Lee Kwan Yew of Singapore as to why there could be no democracy on Singapore with a 70% Chinese majority.

            It has never been necessary in human history, given people’s endless ability to rationalise and moralise their self-interest, for them to be aware of their own strategies, so also with the Holocaust-proofing aimed at via multiculturalism.

      • Baron, I have to disagree with you. These influential Jews and Jewish groups are not in the pay of the globalists, they are the globalist establishment itself. I don’t doubt that there are some non-Jews among the billionaire/trillionaire globalist establishment, Jeff Bezos and Bill Gates are two – and we could throw in the Rockefeller family as well – but the great majority of the globalist establishment is Jewish, and that is a simple fact. They are not in the pay of anyone; they do the paying.

        • You are making unsourced assertions. Provide me with links to hard data — not just other people saying the same thing — demonstrating that the “great majority” of globalist leaders are Jewish.

          There is no denying that the number of Jews in positions of power is disproportionate to their percentage in the general population. But the number of Jews in symphony orchestras is also disproportionate. Ditto for Jewish doctors, lawyers, mathematicians, scientists, and engineers. As a matter of fact, Jews are disproportionately represented in my line of work — there are more Jews fighting against Islamization and mass immigration than would be expected, given their percentage in the general population. What explanation would you give for that?

          And what does all this prove? To my mind, it proves that Jews are smarter, on average, than Caucasians, and they have cultural traits that push them to educate their children as much as possible so that they can enter the professions. This causes them to be over-represented in any field that requires a high level of education and skill. So it’s no surprise that they end up being over-represented in political leadership positions as well as in symphony orchestras.

          That’s my explanation, drawn from the available data. There’s no denying that my reaching it has been influenced by my own feelings — that is, I like Jews, generally speaking. Not all of them, obviously; but I hold most of my Jewish acquaintances in high esteem.

          Other people draw different conclusions, based on their own inclinations. Those who reach the conclusion that the nefarious machinations of Jews are the source of all the evil in the world are presumably influenced by a dislike of Jews. But they don’t come out and say “I don’t generally like Jews, and that influences the conclusions I reach.” I wish they would.

          • @Baron:
            I admit that my reference to Greg Johnson’s expulsion from Norway and the ban on Jared Taylor did not support my argument up to that point.

            As a programmer you are clearly a hard data man, fine. So it is a question of wanting to discover facts that do not necessarily fit preconceptions, correct?

            But it is interesting that you seem to accept the malevolent impact on US foreign (pending war with Russia) and domestic policy of a small ethnic minority on the grounds of liberal-style meritocracy alone (you write: “To my mind, it proves that Jews are smarter, on average, than Caucasians, and they have cultural traits that push them to educate their children as much as possible”)

            Concerning the anti-Gentile racial control over access to power positions in the USA via Ivy league qualifications, read the Jewish physicist and software writer Ron Unz:

            look at all his graphs and numbers, he says at the end of the URL above:

            “The implications of my 2012 Meritocracy analysis are certainly well-known to all of the prominent participants and observers in the ongoing legal battle, but the fearsome power of the ADL and its media allies ensures that certain important aspects of the current situation are never subjected to widespread public discussion. Asian advocates rightly denounce the unfairness of the current elite academic admissions system, but remain absolutely mute about which American group actually controls the institutions involved.”

  3. Enjoyed this a lot. Many thanks also for the transcription.

    > I highly recommend the indeed pleasantly readable brochure, “What drives the Jews
    > to AfD”.

    Does an English-language version of the ‘brochure’ exist?

  4. It is the classic suspicion of right-wing parties that have no complexes to say what they think. Call them anti-Semites even when their mainstream is Zionist and denounces anti-Semitism in all its manifestations, and dares to shout the truth that the political establishment (German in this case) is afraid to show the public for fear of the resurgence of Nazism . No one smart or good wants this to resurface. Only that immigration is more controlled and that the Muslims who come assimilate and embrace the cultural and political values ​​of the society that welcomes them. That is why the counter-jihad movement has earned the hatred of neo-Nazis and the authentic (and classic) right-wing extremism, because we do not share their white supremacism, their anti-Semitism and their anti-democratic and totalitarian violence. Unlike them, we realize how important the State of Israel is as a bastion of freedom, democracy and human rights (in a nutshell, as part of Western civilization) in a region where Islamist savagery predominates. They earn more their hatred of the Jews than their desire to fight jihad and Islamic law.

  5. @DiegoC28: Insofar as I understand your sadly shaky English, having tried twice now:

    1. depressing how what I take to be the civnat (civic nationalist) Right here has adopted the phrase “white supremacist”, ie. anti-albophobic, which hardly existed 10 years ago.
    Hear about the little girl in the US who came home from school (sic) the other day and asked her mother if she were going to be white all her life, and burst into tears when the mother answered: yes?

    2. “anti democratic and totalitarian”: feelgood buzzwords, no content

    3. Islamist savagery? did not exist prior to the US destruction of Iraq, as Isis formed up from remnants of Saddam’s army.
    Isis, which never attacks Israel (why?) is a creature of the US, cf. statements by Michael Flynn, ex head of DIA and early victim of the anti-Trump Deep State.

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