This is an American version of why we love Hungary.
Hungary’s populist phenomenon is going global, so to speak, as diverse European countries decide against failed twentieth-century leftist ideologies.
There won’t be any Ramadan outrages in Hungary, Deo gratias.
Soros is fortunate that he’s being allowed to leave and not being sent to Russia or France, both of whom would like to make his personal acquaintance.
As an aside, Soros-funded challengers in district attorney races in California were unsuccessful to defeat incumbents. Any day there’s a Soros defeat is a good day!
I would really love to support Orbán, but his support for Putin, who supports the Islamic and socialist dictatorships, like Venezuela, Iran and Communist China, which now kills Christians, forces me not to defend it.
I want patriots who do not see the Russian dictator pro-dictators and Islamic regimes as a model to follow.
Land of the Free has good relations with some of the most dictatorial nations on earth. Its close NATO partners include nations that imprison people for questioning history, persecute Christians, oppress ethnic minorities. Its partners in the middle east include the most religiously intolerant nation on earth and a Nationalist regime that if it existed in Europe would be ostracised and regarded as extreme right wing.
That means that Trump supporters are supporting a leader who supports through foreign policy and alliances the above. Pretty much every western leader deals with Saudi Arabia which makes any religious persecution in Iran look like a spat in the playground. Iran actually has resident religious minorities of Jews and Christians, Saudi Arabia does not.
1) The United States is not ruled by a dynasty, each government touches foreign policy in any way it thinks fit, but in a way that does not violate international and federal laws. If any ruler did this and the international community, as well as Congress did not manifest themselves, that is another five hundred.
2) The United States being Saudi Arabia’s partners does not mean agreeing with its practices. That is so true, that there are internal pressures in the country for diplomats to change their attitudes toward human rights issues. The United States can not force another country to follow laws it does not want.
3) The fact that Saudi Arabia is an oppressive regime and with a supremacist bias is of the perfect knowledge of the American authorities; otherwise, they would not undertake assaults against lewd businesses, and facade organizations that exist within America, and even open suit against the Muslim country for being involved in 9/11.
4) Countries like Turkey, which is perhaps one of those countries to which it refers, were not so before the arrival of Erdogan. Countries such as Britain that have begun to practice this type of authoritarianism are still more democratic than China, North Korea and Venezuela. Countries such as Pakistan have not become more democratic because they are US partners, but some pressure has always been exerted. It is not because an administration fails to extinguish this pressure if it means that it embraces all sorts of undemocratic policy in that country. You need to better evaluate things.
(5) Even if the United States willingly and conscientiously supports these countries, which it does not do, not even giving them ammunition to go forward with its offenses, this would not make Russia less anti-democratic and inimical to democracy and freedom . You are using a misguided logic, such as “if that country can commit crimes and defend dictators, then ours can too.” This is to relativize evil. The only time the United States sent arms to undemocratic forces was in the Obama era. Russia’s weapons are all over the Middle East.
Russia is undemocratic and a country cursed for being ruled by a murderer and a liar. Accept this based on these facts. Or try to justify Putin’s logistical and moral support for these nations, but without using the United States as an excuse for what Putin supports.
I agree, I see Ronie’s point but it may be idealistic in the extreme. During the Cold War the US supported some very nasty despots and dictators, only because they were anti communist.
The Iranian people are ruled by a brutal Shi’ite regime. Just because Saudi Arabia does the same from the Sunni (and majority) side does not make Iran any less evil and dangerous.
I am puzzled by your claim (sans any links) that Orban supports Putin. I tried searching for this missing information (we are, after all, talking of one of the Visegrad Four, all of whom remember well the Russian boot on their necks so it doesn’t make sense).
[I found one possible story from an American MSM site, but I don’t give them credence or traffic. They’re jornolists, not history of ideologies majors. IOW, they don’t know jack about the thousands of years of cultural history in Eastern or Central Europe.]
Poland is offering a billion to the US to have America build a military base there, and they did so in cooperation with the other Three.
If they’re dealing with Putin, they have an endgame in mind, and it’s definitely not any admiration for a former KGB officer; their memories aren’t *that* short.
You say, I want patriots who do not see the Russian dictator pro-dictators and Islamic regimes as a model to follow. But I ask you, in turn, where does that leave the US, which cooperates with sinkholes like Mexico and Saudi Arabia, just to name two?
Read up on realpolitik because our new president uses it with a heavy, and so-far-successful hand.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Realpolitik
I’m a US citizen, so when the US commits immoral, counterproductive policies such as arming the Islamists in Syria, I can’t help feeling some shame and regret.
But, saying that, I do not consider it the duty of the US to guarantee justice, equality, democracy and security in international affairs. The US does this badly, damaging both the victims of poor policy, and US citizens.
I don’t care if Putin murders his critics, or if the current Saudi prince hangs his cousins upside down by meat hooks to shake the money out of them…unless, the US is dragged in by complicity. Then, it becomes important to me.
I think it’s the height of stupidity to build a military base in Poland. Why? Russia voluntarily withdrew from Poland. Any military base that close to Russia will likely involve nuclear weapons almost immediately in the case of a conflict.
It’s in the interest of the US to have relations with all countries not directly threatening the US…and it may even be in our interest to have relations with those. One of the biggest roadblocks in dealing with North Korea is, the two sides simply don’t understand each other. I don’t mean that understanding will lead to better relations, but at least you have a better idea of the opponent is actually threatening military action.
Let me deal with the assertion that the US should not have encouraged the communist government in Russia by recognizing it in 1933. I don’t see diplomatic recognition as a bargaining chip…usually. The factor militating against recognizing the USSR in 1933 was that diplomatic relations opened the door to widespread intelligence penetration. This is a valid reason to withhold diplomatic recognition.
Quote from you: “The United States being Saudi Arabia’s partners does not mean agreeing with its practices.”
To answer to your statement:
Hungary being Russia’s partners does not mean agreeing with its practices.
I like this guy’s videos. He brings optimism to our movement.
I was just going to write the exact same thing!! He navigates complex terrain rather well, too. There’s something reassuring about his style. Thanks, Dymphna, for introducing his videos.