Viktor Orbán: We Must Stop This Compulsory Colonisation!

Next Sunday Hungary will hold a referendum to decide whether the country should accept a migrant resettlement quota imposed by Brussels. The upcoming decision by Hungarian voters may very well define a hinge-point, not just for the future of Hungary, but for all of Europe.

On Tuesday Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orbán was interviewed about the referendum and other matters related to the migration crisis. Many thanks to CrossWare for the translation, and to Vlad Tepes for the subtitling:


00:07   A welcome to all viewers, you are watching our exclusive interview from Parliament.
00:12   This evening’s guest is Prime Minister Viktor Orbán. We’re recording this interview in the afternoon.
00:17   Good afternoon. —Good afternoon.
00:20   Saturday evening there was an explosion in the Teréz Boulevard; two police officer were injured.
00:27   What were your instructions about the event to your Minister of the Interior?
00:30   The most important part: for now there is no sign of any connection to the migrant crisis.
00:38   Although we can’t eliminate this possibility, right now there is no sign of that, which is comforting.
00:47   Of course this is not a consolation and not a help to those young police officers,
00:50   who suffered very serious injuries. Whatever the motivation was
00:54   for this crime, it was a despicable act.
00:59   It really looks like our police officers were the target, and they were targeted directly,
01:03   and it is a duty of the government and the whole nation,
01:07   to stand prominently in unity with the people who day in and day out
01:12   risk their lives for our safety, and I hope that they will recover as soon as possible.
01:18   As for the Minister of the Interior: I ordered that the perpetrator be hunted down at all costs,
01:25   and information gotten out of him about his motivation.
01:29   The main topic of our talk is migration and the referendum coming up this Sunday.
01:35   Hungary — thanks to your government and your decisions — is in a special position to experience
01:40   the European migrant crisis.
01:43   Our southern borders are protected by a fence, the process for asylum requests has been tightened.
01:49   With the exception of the areas of the migrant receiving stations,
01:52   they can’t really encounter refugees from outside of the European Union.
01:58   Now they can’t! Yes it is true, there was a previous condition that is no longer applicable.
02:03   But your government’s message to the voters is not to risk it.
02:06   In Paris or Brussels this message would be completely different.
02:11   But for an average citizen in Hungary, what would that risk be?
02:15   The first and most important risk is that Brussels made some decisions,
02:20   by which they want to settle people here, that we do not want to live with.
02:25   This is the most important risk at this moment,
02:28   because there are countries that chose to not defend themselves,
02:32   — unlike Hungary — and now they have millions of migrants stuck there.
02:38   Some countries want to solve this problem by distributing them to others, by giving some to others.
02:45   This is what I call compulsory colonisation. We must stop this!
02:50   The problem is not as much with the migrants, but with Brussels.
02:55   Your opposition emphasizes that there is no danger, no critical situation here,
03:00   and the government fighting against non-existent mandatory quotas,
03:04   and encouraging its citizens to vote in an unnecessary referendum.
03:07   These are not two opinions about the same situation, but rather two different realities,
03:10   just like the no-go zones, which Minister of Foreign Affairs Mr. Szijjártó said exist,
03:15   while large Western cities denied these allegations, and vehemently protested.
03:20   On October 2nd you are expecting the people to choose between these realities.
03:27   How would they able to make this choice? This is not new in Hungary,
03:30   and I think the people have got used to this.
03:33   If we recall about a year and a half ago we had another argument here,
03:40   Is there any danger at all about migration? Are we going to have a migration wave at all?
03:44   Do we need to take this seriously or not?
03:47   The Left said there is no such danger, we do not take this seriously,
03:50   it is a false alarm. Then what happened, happened.
03:53   I believe the Hungarian voters got used to the fact,
03:58   The Leftists are looking at these as ideological questions,
04:01   while we looking at them as real problems, which endanger our citizens’ everyday life.
04:06   That is why we react differently. The Left is dealing with theoretical questions,
04:10   while we dealing with concrete issues.
04:13   I would love it — we will see on Sunday — if this wish were to come true,
04:17   If the citizens of this country do not consider the referendum to be an ideological question,
04:21   the relation to the migrant masses, but part of an absolute reality.
04:25   To accept it as a question which has a direct effect on our safety, on terror threats,
04:28   the country’s economic situation and its cultural identity.
04:32   There is a connection to those questions, and to the people who have the same view,
04:37   this is no a longer partisan opinion, but a national issue. Let me bring up
04:40   the moral conflicts here. This is something that impacts the people,
04:43   independent of party affiliations.
04:46   We talk a lot about Christian Europe, acceptance and humanity.
04:50   You are the prime minister of a country
04:55   whose citizens always come together and are ready to help, whether the trouble is near or distant.
05:00   It seems like helping is part of the Hungarian identity.
05:05   But you are still asking them to vote NO, against the settlement of migrants here,
05:08   because now we need to help in a different way.
05:11   How can they help? As for the migrants, the best to help them to bring the aid where they live,
05:20   instead of bringing the problems here to Europe.
05:25   The Hungarian government has done a lot in this matter. We do not talk about it much;
05:28   there are multiple reasons for this, partly security and partly aesthetic or moral reasons.
05:33   It is not our custom to boast about when we help,
05:36   but we mobilized a lot of resources and spent a lot of money,
05:40   to help people in trouble where they live.
05:45   But we do not accept the reasoning, that bringing them here is in any way a good idea.
05:49   We do not solve anything this way. Everyone knows that there are billions of people —
05:53   a significant portion of the world’s population —
05:56   who have to live on less than $2 daily. If we want to help anybody,
06:00   by accepting his fundamental right for a better life and letting him into
06:05   Western countries, which have a higher standard of living,
06:08   we will ruin Europe and with it our homeland Hungary, too.
06:13   That is why I say if look at this question from the necessary distance,
06:17   with the referendum, we are looking for an answer to the question:
06:20   Who are we, and who do we want to be?
06:24   Hungary is a cultured country, a European country with a thousand years of Christian history,
06:30   and I am one of those who would like to keep it that way.
06:35   If we let in the uncontrolled migration flow
06:40   forced on us by Brussels, our county will change.
06:45   I love my country, and I would like to keep it as it is,
06:49   with its problems and faults, and with all its virtues.
06:53   You mentioned Brussels. After the summit in Vienna you told the media
06:58   that there is no significant change in migration policies there.
07:02   In the rhetoric of the pro-migrant states there is a slight change,
07:09   maybe as the result of the loss of popularity there.
07:13   Now they no longer talk about deeper integration, but rather about the protection of the borders.
07:16   But there are no actions that follow these statements. Do you really think a referendum
07:20   held in a member state could have any effect,
07:23   could force any state leaders or EU decision makers to take action,
07:30   who ignored their own conscience and even their loss of popularity
07:34   or the danger to their career?
07:38   That would be a nice plan, to change their decisions but we do not want to do that.
07:42   We want to defend ourselves.
07:45   We demand the right, we insist on it and we refuse to lose that right,
07:51   Only we Hungarians should be able to say who we want to live with in Hungary and who we do not.
08:00   If the Germans feel so differently, and they willingly live together with these people
08:04   that we do not want, or the French or the Italians, that is their business.
08:08   But we insist that Hungary has the right to make the decision about who they want to live with.
08:12   But that would mean on long term, we need a defensive migration politics for the whole continent,
08:15   because Hungary is part of Europe!?
08:20   Because Europe is not willing to do this, then Hungary set up a defensive strategy for itself.
08:28   In Brussels they have a double standard, because they have constantly attacked Hungary for the fence,
08:35   but they did nothing to scold Greece, which ignored many international laws and agreements.
08:39   Not forcing them to act. It would have never happened, nor would the problem in Europe happen again,
08:45   if Greece would honor the international agreements they signed and defend their southern borders.
08:53   But they are unable or unwilling to do this. This is why Hungary ended up
08:57   as the southern Schengen border of the European Union.
09:02   The Serbian-Hungarian border is like this and — by definition of the Schengen Agreement —
09:06   the Croatian-Hungarian border, as the Croatians are not part of Schengen and we are.
09:12   We became a defensive border against our will, but as history has shown,
09:18   while we defend ourselves, we defend Europe, too.
09:23   The more brave German and Austrian politicians who say what Hungary does,
09:27   the better it is for their countries, too, because we defend them.
09:31   If this is the situation as you describe it — as it concerns migration
09:35   — there are “fallen” or “standing” countries.
09:40   As they phrased in one of the news conference of the Visegrad Four.
09:44   What kind of strategy does this fact demand from Hungary and the V4 countries?
09:48   Look, in politics there are decisions, mistakes, bad decisions which can be corrected.
09:55   Sometime we screw something up in the budget or incorrectly compile a political program.
10:01   This can happen. There are some mistakes which cannot be corrected.
10:06   That is when they say in the West that they would like to turn back the clock.
10:12   Great idea, but the only problem is, this is not possible.
10:15   With some specific mistakes made, there is very little chance
10:18   of reversing them, or it is not even possible at all.
10:21   The only advice to give in situations like this: do not make those mistakes!
10:26   We can’t allow the creation of such laws in Europe,
10:30   which would enable Brussels to settle migrants here.
10:33   We must stop this at all costs!
10:36   For a long time the focus was on Syria and only Syria,
10:39   in European public opinion about the migration crisis.
10:42   Saying that if they can resolve the conflict there, the mass migration to Europe will end.
10:48   Now both you and the Italians are trying to draw attention
10:52   to the North African area with more or less success.
10:57   What is the reason of the disinterest of the EU about the millions of migrants massing there?
11:03   Do the Hungarian Intelligence services know something more than their counterparts?
11:08   The partner agencies are well-informed.
11:12   If the police and intelligence services of Western countries were able to publish the reports
11:20   they’ve created in the last year, then we would be able to see
11:24   that the decision-makers were briefed by the professionals,
11:28   and they were warned about the extreme risks, terror threats and public safety problems
11:33   caused by uncontrolled and unchecked immigration.
11:45   An example via Hungary, too. Here are some facts, provided by our own professionals,
11:51   clearly showing that mixed in with the migrants who came into Europe
11:57   through Hungary, were men who later committed serious terror acts there.
12:06   We could have saved the lives of many European citizens if from the beginning
12:09   the EU had approved a strict policy of border control.
12:12   But if we view the facts from the proper angle, then we can see
12:18   this is not a refugee crisis but a migration.
12:26   This did not start just now. If you review how the ethnic and religious composition
12:32   of large Western cities has changed in the last twenty years,
12:38   You will see it slowly changed, step by step. This migration
12:42   has been going on for two decades now. It had a quiet period;
12:45   now it has become loud, over the last year.
12:48   I think these are just the scouts. The real pressure on Europe is just starting now,
12:53   from inside Africa, the masses who are waiting there. We know exactly
12:57   where and how many — crowds of millions —
13:01   are waiting to travel into the territory of the European Union.
13:05   This is where the human smugglers are building their businesses.
13:09   Yes, this is when your European political colleagues say this is
13:12   not dangerous, just some change in Europe,
13:15   while you state that the invasion of Muslim masses is a danger for the future of Europe.
13:20   I understand that there are some countries who would like to change, that is their prerogative,
13:27   this not up to us or anybody else to discourage.
13:31   If they want to change, if they think it will be better for them, then do it.
13:36   We defend the right to not change. We Hungarians we like our country just the way it is,
13:41   and if we want to change it, we want to do it ourselves and not from external pressure.
13:47   It was surprising to the public that after the Vienna summit there was no plan B
13:52   in case the agreement between the Turkey and the EU
13:56   were no longer to work. What is the reason for this?
14:01   There is no official plan B, but in their heads there is a plan.
14:05   They think if the agreement collapses, then Hungarians will again defend the borders of Europe.
14:10   We will defend it? —We will defend it, but it is not a good solution. It would be better
14:15   if we could push the defense line farther south, below Serbia or Macedonia.
14:20   Sooner or later we have to say, if Greeks can’t or won’t protect their southern borders,
14:29   then at the northern border of Greece with Bulgaria and Macedonia
14:32   we have to build a European defense line.
14:35   If this does not happen, the line of defense will be up north and Hungary
14:38   will again become a frontier country.
14:41   I would like to avoid this, and that is why I recommend that the entire Balkans be protected,
14:45   and the defenses be placed down there on the northern border of Greece.
14:49   This is not supported by my colleagues, because they think if trouble brews again,
14:55   the Hungarians will fulfill their obligations written in the Schengen Agreement,
14:58   and will defend Germany and Austria too.
15:01   Prime Minister, let’s talk a bit about one of your other ideas: the European army.
15:05   Why are you thinking of a European army, instead of strengthening
15:09   the existing police and other defense forces?
15:12   This is a very different message.
15:16   If we take seriously our earlier decisions — because the leaders of the EU
15:20   make many decisions, but we are just not executing them —
15:25   we stated there that both real war refugees and economic migrants
15:29   must be stopped outside of European territory,
15:34   must be placed there and separated.
15:39   Then all countries — based on their own systems of migration law — can make a decision
15:43   and give permission to the ones we accept as immigrants.
15:47   So we need an area outside of the European Union, which we are able to defend with our military.
15:52   We can support and maintain it, and people can wait there.
15:58   Then the ones who are accepted by various countries may enter.
16:05   Without a military force, we can’t build and defend such a large refugee city.
16:12   Mr. Prime Minister, I would like to thank you for the interview on behalf of our viewers.
16:15   I thank you for your attention. Goodbye.

4 thoughts on “Viktor Orbán: We Must Stop This Compulsory Colonisation!

  1. I add a comment because everybody watching the video and not commenting here…
    It is still pretty controversial Orbán’s idea about a European Army. Of course with Merkel’s Germany and Islamic France in the picture those are really frightening thoughts.
    However if you think of Orbán’s EU army as the Visegrad Four’s joined army + Bulgaria, Romania, Macedonia, Baltic states etc… with a strong mandate on only used as a defensive force against external enemies then it is a little bit better. I think Orbán thinking is the following:
    We need something because people just walking in and out like in a barn with no doors and Hungary alone does not have a the manpower (or ammo) to keep up against 2-3-10 million young military age migrants. (The whole population of Hungary is around 10 million).

    • CrossWare: I took Prime Minister Orbán’s “EU Army” to be the security force employed to defend and provide security for a large “refugee city” in a country external to Europe – say somewhere in North Africa. This refugee city would be the mandatory first stop for all those fleeing their country of origin – Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan, Somalia, etc. The purpose of this city would be to “vet” the migrants who come there. Then, the various nations in Europe could accept those they want and say “No” to those they don’t.

      It’s a great idea that makes sense – if you’re a Nationalist. If you’re a Globalist then, while it may make sense, it’s completely undesirable because it would retard and slow the destruction of Nations and cultures – which the Globalists so desperately want – and want now.

      Going a little “long” here – It’s been said numerous times over the past couple of months on this web site and many others that so much is at stake on November 8th. And it’s true and it will affect much more than the USA. In my opinion, and I am going out on the proverbial limb here, if HRC wins the election then Brexit will never happen, Geert Wilders will be found guilty, the next logical step for Hungary – “Hunexit” will not happen (neither will “Frexit”), Merkle and Lofven (to name just two globalist leaders) will accelerate the destruction of their Nations and cultures, and on and on. That’s what’s at stake – small stuff, right?

      On a personal note – I really appreciate the time you (and others like you) take to provide these translations to us here in America who are “one language constrained” as you are providing real news, important news, that our MSM does not cover – lets make that “willfully and intentionally does not cover”. Well done, please continue the good work.

      • You are absolutely right, NWO will stop at nothing until its new Islam controlled empire is not built. All eyes on not just in Hungary but on the Unites States. I am following closely the events as I live in Canada. I hope Trump wins and something will be done against the Globalists. Thank you for your appreciation, I will continue to translate as much as I can. I have no illusions, Hungary is a small country (insignificant and deplorable as Hillary would say) but the good thing about ideas, it not determined by the size (of countries). Viktor Orbán was (is) the only politician in office who openly endorsed Trump!

    • CrossWare.

      I also deeply appreciate your efforts in translating the dialogues. I also value our exchanges here. Through Gates of Vienna, we have a unique perspective on the currents in Europe and the implications and portents for the US and Canada. Unfortunately, sometimes you can see an impending train wreck but cannot do anything to stop it.

      I think the idea of a refugee city is a bad one. As Orban puts it, it is a bad policy from which you can recover. The least bad aspect of a refugee city, financed and administered by European bureaus, is that it will evolve to another perpetual refugee camp, filled with idle, stateless people ever more radicalized, who are not wanted by any of their neighbors for very good reasons. Think of Gaza.

      The worst possible consequence of the whole refugee city idea is that the European army conceived of by Orban will co-opt the independent military options of countries like Hungary. As Orban pointed out, the fall-back position of the EU countries is that Hungary will independently defend itself. If that independent thinking is eroded by the existence of a European army, the bureaucrats will sabotage the entire process.

      I think the unspoken assumption is that Turkey can switch on a dime from NATO ally to territorial aggressor. Orban understandably wants some sort of European army which will assist in the territorial defense of Europe. In the past, as at the Gates of Vienna in 1683, the success of the defense depended on the just-in-time appearance of the Polish army, with the French taking a pass because of the territorial ambitions of Louis 14th.

      Orban is a tough, intelligent leader devoted to the cultural and territorial independence of the Hungarian people. He’s probably well able to handle the pressures of a mega-national European army. But, what happens if Hungary elects a weaker leader, who is less able to resist encroaching bureaucracies? In my opinion, the trade-off of a more formalized military assistance structure is not worth the future possibility of being sucked into another nation-dissolving mega-national organization.

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