29 thoughts on “Viktor Orbán: This is Nihilism, Not Liberalism”

1. Some might find it strange that Hungary supports a creation of common army. Of course, he – I believe -, is much more thinking of an alliance of trusted nations (V4 +) sharing responsibility to guard the southern borders and the Mediterranean sea. I believe too the other side also want a united army, but for a different purpose: to aid more Muslim migrants and to break down nation defenses who dare to resist Brussels. It will be interesting watch what is happening…
   I also think he tries to push for more time while he sometimes says very polite things: like the immigration police is naive (most of us think it is pure evil), to avoid military intervention against Hungary and also to wait until hopefully the USA new president Mr Trump, will take away the Globalists’ support in the EU and the nationalists can emerge victorious.

   • typo: “immigration politics is naive”

   • The “European Army” is a dangerous idea, as it would devalue and weaken NATO, encouraging the US to abandon it. Maybe this is the agenda?

     • And why is NATO a desirable group for the US to be a member of?

       The original purpose of NATO, to prevent a consolidated USSR attack on non-Communist Europe, is now long gone. NATO now serves as a tripwire to bring the US and European countries into wars to defend questionable allies, such as Turkey. If Russia had reacted to Turkey shooting down a Russian jet under questionable circumstances, the US would be committed to go to war.

       Furthermore, a European army under the EU would welcome NATO help in suppressing countries like Hungary who wish to free themselves of the shackles of the EU. Hungary is taking advantage of the window of opportunity, before the EU openly creates a military enforcement arm. Once it does, membership will no longer remain voluntary.

       Hillary would enthusiastically support US participation in forcible suppression of the V4 exit from the EU; Trump, hopefully not, if you go by his campaign speeches.

       • Turkey must be expelled from NATO.
         Russia would be the ideal replacement!

       • NATO no longer seems to be on European peoples’ side.

   • In America, the leftists have made “Sanctuary Cities” where the rules of law on immigration are not applied. For thisn the cities receive money from Soros related groups. Some in the Midwest are receiving also mass transplants of muslim immigrants through lutheran and catholic “charities” that receive money through government contracts for bringing in 3rd world, like Somalia. They open yogurt factories for them and leftists make money teaching how to speak their language. Yogurt companies make money. Politicians get paid. Debt goes higher for everyone.

     In San Francisco the city is taken over by illegal aliens (LaRaza) who want to “take back” California. (Back to what, no one knows. ) It is the United States but n in these cities, the law does not apply. If you are arrested and illegal you just get released again to do more crime.

     There is no more gay culture in San Francisco. They all got married and moved away. There is NO culture, but homeless people everywhere who have more rights than property owners.

     This is what ORBAN is talking about when he says that the leftists will work diresctly with the cities to bring Soros plans to the cities in Hungary whether the people want them or not.

     • You are right!

2. It is refreshing to see such an intelligent and clear-headed country leader in Europe as Mr Orban after all the aggressively mediocre nonentities (M. Hollande being the best paradigmatic example and Merkel, Obama or that little brave Luxembourgeois Schulz more or less of the same type) who live in a thick ideological fog which prevents them from seeing anything further afield than the tips of their noses.

3. Orban likes the EU and wants a EU army? Maybe he’s just cow towing to the idea so that maybe Brussels can off his back about migrant quotas.. I don’t know but the EU can’t be fixed, it’s a leftist, large corporation owned organization, no way in hell would they hand it over to nationalist governments without a fight.

   • I think Orban is very smart. Obviously he cannot go drastically against the EU bureaucrats… He only built a fence and immediately called a fascist dictator and EU friendly (Soros?) elements demanded everything from military intervention to kicking Hungary out of the EU. So what is the right play here? Make “reasonable” suggestions, play a bit naive, bring attention “nicely” to “shortcomings” you “discovered”. Let’s not forget the present EU dictators using the culture of political correctness to show themselves as heroes, protectors of democracies against the filthy nationalists… blah blah blah. Orban using this tactics either can bring some change (unlikely as you phrased it the criminal oligarchs rulers will not give up their power easily), or at least it will expose them, force the wolves to take of the sheep’s skin to everyone to see.
     The EU army would be better as NATO. We know what happened with the Serbs when they tried to get rid of the Muslims there. To explain how would help a setup of a new army, let’s go back to Hungary when Fidesz first achieved a 2/3 majority. This gave them the parliamentary authority to rewrite the Hungarian basic law, which was created in the 50’s and it was essentially a communist manifesto. Now the Hungarian basic law states the country’s Christian roots making spreading Islam against the constitution there! There are several other changes but you get the idea.
     NATO operates on old outdated principles which can be abused easily. A new army would have new declaration of purpose and directives to handle its operation. If Orban and V4 succeed then it will be a defensive army against the Muslims. Of course then the other side must step in, – as they are obviously do not want that, they rather have an oppressing army (which they already possess with NATO!!!) but in the process (design phase) they must expose themselves (sheep skin off).

     I would not play poker with Viktor, that is for sure!

4. It shows you how skewed is the EU when some nonentity from an insignificant blob of land presumes the tell an ancient country like Hungary what they should do and feel justified in abusing the Hungarians when they disagree. What is it about Luxembourg that it breeds arrogant and stupid people?

5. On point.

   All this talk about being ‘liberal’ and ‘progressive’ is simply not true. (Gleichschaltung is not liberty!) These people are nihilists – they believe in nothing, can create nothing, they can only destroy and are only aiming to destroy.

   http://callofthepatriot.blogspot.co.uk/2015/12/the-red-and-black.html

   http://callofthepatriot.blogspot.co.uk/2015/12/living-in-little-ease.html

   It’s about time they were called out.

6. Yes I think he is pushing for more time. By his statements he supports the existence of the EU. I’m closer to the the anti-EU populist strain of Farage-Le Pen-Wilders. But an exit EU vote in Hungary probably will not win at this time. However that may change if the EU continues to cause problems in Hungary.

   • I think the “EU” is not a bad idea. Not the bureaucrats, but the economical cooperation between nation states (like V4). Obviously what we have now only shares the name but not much else. You are also right, he is pushing for more time because the EU elite mostly supported by the US Globalists which still has a strong hand (Obama, Hillary) in the game. He is waiting for the US election and with the hope of a President Trump, he can move more aggressively against the EU criminals who will be significantly weakened by losing their main sponsor.

     • “I think the “EU” is not a bad idea”
       I did, too- but that was back in the days of the EEC and it was
       inevitable it would lead the United States of Europe & its totalitarian ideas. Thank god for Brexit; who will be next?

       • I am pretty sure if the peaceful discussions not working the V4 will leave the dictatorship we call EU and create its own new economical alliance.

7. Coudenhouve-Kalergi, Google it.

   • Magyarországon örökre!

   • This is the latest internet ‘fad’.

     Coudenhouve-Kalergi got it wrong- he had no idea that far from ‘integration of the races’ the threat would be ISLAMIC JIHAD.
     Enoch Powell’s ‘rivers of blood’ speech also got it wrong- various ‘races’ have integrated productively in UK society, but ONE ideology has no intention of doing anything other than replacing all others…

8. I think Organ’s proposal to set up camps in Libya to ship unwanted refugees, has a major flaw. These people are unskilled, impulsive, violent, and not suitable for any useful purpose. Any people settled in a camp with public support would settle down and concentrate on having babies. Like the Palestinians, no country in the world would want them. So, essentially they’d be a tar baby for the sponsoring country, increasing exponentially and totally unfixable.

   It would be better to bite the bullet and close the books on the unwanted invaders immediately. If their country of origin can be determined, they need to be taken there, even if transported to a non-developed part of it. Many have destroyed any identity papers they had, so there would be no way to tell where they were from. In those cases, a warlord in Somalia or another failed country could be bribed to accept the invaders as citizens.

   It’s better to deal with obvious problems as early as possible, rather than set up an intractable problem that will be with us for centuries.

   • Obviously Orban cannot and will not suggest shooting people… That would make all hell loose… For him the primary goal is clear out Europe from the invaders and take them physically out of the continent. His comment for Libya were added because he wanted to emphasize that migrant camps or (war refugee camps) cannot be on European soil. (not in Greece not in Italy or any other place). He also mentioned in his speech that not everybody has to live in EU, essentially stating, yes the world is not a good place for most, but just because we have a little more it does not mean we have to give it up (give it to them). His sentence about: “Bring the help where is needed instead of bringing the problem here”.
     Yes African countries must be helped (finally some use for international organizations like UN) the reproduction rates must be pushed back because it is not sustainable, economies must be fixed. (the cult of Islam must be dealt with because it is blocking social and economical developments) And if UN wants military intervention they should look at eliminating dictatorships and terrorist groups which makes those countries not livable. But this is way over his job to protect the people of Hungary and make everything possible to protect the neighborhood aka Europe.

     • You’re taking a very interventionist point of view, which is not substantially different from the rationale for invading Iraq in 2003. The rationale was “Iraq is preparing aggression against the world, so we need to establish a democracy there.”

       Did you consider that a dictatorship may be the most functional form of government in most (or all) Muslim countries? Whether it is or isn’t, why should outsiders, with very little idea of local circumstances, impose their view by force?

       Also, as far as supporting birth control, the cultures of many of these countries encourages women to have babies. Why is it justified that our government take our money and conduct social experiments in countries they neither know nor understand? And, why would a Western intervention on birth control work better than the Western interventions on government?

       My view is that it is the duty of our government to set up secure borders, and return illegal or undesirable invaders/immigrants. It is not the responsibility of our government to take our tax money and use it for poorly-researched schemes that are more likely than not to do more harm than good.

       It’s a very elitist point of view that we can intervene with other peoples just because we’re white Westerners and must know better. It’s also a suicidal point of view.

       • I agree with you. If you follow Orban’s speech, he expresses exactly that, secure borders, throw them out as a start. What comes after is another story. (I added my point of view of solving problems in the international level will be necessary.) If something is not done in the next half a century about Africa (which could include either education to decrease breeding out of control or even war to decimate the population) they start to fall off the continent by the edges…

       • Let Africa and Africans take responsibility for that continent itself. They’ve been around for tens of thousands of years already.

         Why shouldn’t they be capable of running Africa? They have vast natural resources. Wouldn’t it even be really racist to think that they would need Northern Hemisphere brains to sort out the African problems?

         Just look at Liberia, South Africa, and Mugabe’s Zimbabwe… No Europeans, no problems, right? Or, what?

         Anyway, Europe and Europeans cannot take all the millions of blacks that are invading The Camp of The Saints, with reference to Jean Raspail’s novel by the same name.

9. Wish my brothers in Hungary very well instead!

10. Is there any way we can express our solidarity with the Hungarian people going into this key vote? They need to know they have wide spread support in their self determination.

    • Leaving comments in sites like this help. I always try to convey back the huge number of positive feedback about how everyday people feel about what is happening in Europe and what Hungary’s role in it. The gatesofvienna.net is a well known source for some Hungarian anti-jihadist sites and some free thinker news sources. By spreading this articles to everybody you know, you helping the Hungarians because more people knows what really Orban Viktor says how really thinks and what really wants so the Soros rented journalists and PC and SJW activists will not have much chance to get away calling him and my country “fascists”, “racists” or “xenophobe”…

11. “We must answer this: Do we want nations, or do we want a united Europe? Do we want family and children, or can we not even decide who is a man or a woman?”

    As opposed to the EU infested states, a state like Hungary still has men, and likely women, who are capable of seeing the importance of these questions which are basic to a well functioning society with a capacity to defend its people from invaders.

    This seems to be the clue to why the Eastern European states are still standing.

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