Viktor Orbán: “Brussels is Irritated by the Existence of Strong Nation-States”

The following radio interview (audio only) was conducted recently with Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orbán. Hungary is one of the “Visegrad Four” (the others being Poland, Czechia, and Slovakia). These four countries are resolutely resisting the European Union’s push to distribute “refugees” among the member states through mandatory quotas. Mr. Orbán was the first leader to order the closing of borders and the construction of fences, while demanding that the Schengen rules be enforced as they were written.

Notice the prime minister’s shrewd strategy for making certain that Hungary can build additional border fences when required: he arranged for the domestic production of fencing material in the country’s prison system, thereby avoiding any chokepoints that might suddenly emerge in international markets. The level of domestic production has allowed Hungary to export fencing to Slovenia, Macedonia and Bulgaria — prompting a German newspaper to refer to Mr. Orbán as “the patron saint of the Balkans”.

Many thanks to Dzsihádfigyelo for the translation, and to Vlad Tepes for the subtitling:


00:00   Austria announced it would put an upper limit on immigration — though they do not call it an “upper limit” —
00:04   — this has triggered a domino effect in the countries along the way to Austria.
00:12   Are you prepared for it? What will it be like in 3-4 months time?
00:17   How will the member states in the Balkans cope with it?
00:20   ORBÁN: You have just cited the most important bit of news of recent months.
00:26   Reason has prevailed. The dogmatic way of thinking finally surrendered
00:32   to reality and common sense, and the decisions were made,
00:36   which we Hungarians and several other European
00:42   peoples deemed were necessary from the beginning.
00:45   That is, we must state that Europe is not able to accept huge masses of
00:51   foreign people without controls and checks.
00:54   The decision by Austria reflected this point,
00:57   and their solution was that they limited the number of people they will accept in a year.
01:02   We Hungarians have a slightly different point of view, because we think
01:05   that the best immigrant is the one that does not come here,
01:09   so the best number is zero. Therefore — while we obviously provide political asylum-seekers
01:13   with all the necessities prescribed by international law —
01:18   beyond that, we have an immigration policy of not letting anyone in.
01:23   The Austrians have made a crucial step towards that end. REPORTER: Has common sense really prevailed in general?
01:29   Because what the Austrians said is just the first step. The most authoritative politician on this issue does not say it at all.
01:34   ORBÁN: Yes, but we should celebrate small successes, too.
01:38   Little steps count, too. REPORTER: Let’s look at the practical aspect of it.
01:44   Now the procedure is that everyone is asked in the countries they pass through: “Are you going to Austria or Germany?”
01:49   If their answer is positive, they let them cross the border. But it seems to be rather uncontrolled.
01:53   ORBÁN: Yes, there are a couple of disturbing details and circumstances,
01:56   but I do not think they are too important.
01:59   What is important is that they said that there is an upper limit
02:03   above which they will not receive those who arrive.
02:06   It means they have admitted that we must not let anybody into our lives in an uncontrolled manner,
02:14   because it would get us into trouble. And they admitted that even though Europe
02:17   is one of the most developed continents of the world,
02:20   its resources are not unlimited. You had better admit it honestly than mislead those unfortunate people,
02:27   who now live in refugee camps — though they are in poor living conditions but they are safe —
02:32   it is still better than to start the journey, risking drowning at sea or being raped and other hazards on the way,
02:42   across countries where they are actually not welcome,
02:45   and from where they will be sent back sooner or later.
02:48   It is much more honest to tell them right from the start:
02:51   ”This number of people of you may come, and nobody else beyond that.” This is the core of it.
02:55   There will be difficulties with plenty of details of the regulations,
02:58   but what really matters is that they made that crucial step.
03:01   REPORTER: And will it not cause problems that the migration routes will be shifted
03:05   towards Romania? ORBAN: Well, no matter where the routes are shifted,
03:09   they will not cross Hungary, that is absolutely certain.
03:14   REPORTER: It means that you are ready to build the border fence in a short time there too?
03:18   At some sections the preparations have been made,
03:21   and learning from the situation a year ago,
03:28   by now we have installed the production capacities
03:31   so as we can manufacture all the necessary wire mesh and barriers for the border fence for ourselves,
03:39   to become independent from the market situation.
03:42   So now we are not only able to supply the country with the wire meshes manufactured in the prisons,
03:51   we can also export some of it,
03:55   so hundreds of kilometers of barrier have been sold
03:59   to Macedonia, Slovenia and Bulgaria.
04:08   REPORTER: And in the meantime we are awaiting European leaders to find
04:12   that particular “common European solution” at long last.
04:16   And still many think it will be the migrant quota system.
04:20   More and more politicians declare that the disintegration of Europe should be prevented,
04:26   and the fact that growing number of European politicians use that phrase
04:30   is rather worrying, concerning the formation of a two-speed Europe.
04:35   ORBÁN: Look, there is a thing I call “Brussels-ism’:
04:38   when a problem or challenge occurs — without examining at which level
04:46   the best response should be — it is immediately announced, that “a European solution is needed”.
04:51   An example is border protection: It was obvious from the very first moment
04:55   that in Europe the borders have traditionally been protected on a national basis;
05:01   and if the nations do not protect the outer borders of Europe,
05:04   then we can talk even for hours about a “European solution”,
05:09   but there is no personnel, no mechanism, neither a set of laws
05:12   to take over this task from the nation-states in short order.
05:16   This is Brussels-ism: they do not let the nation-states solve the problem;
05:20   whatever country solves them is condemned by them,
05:23   while they are full of hot air, empty talk, saying phrases like
05:28   ”common European solution”, and at the same time no effective steps are taken.
05:31   This is Brussels-ism: Brussels intending to take over more and more functions it cannot perform.
05:39   As a result it weakens the nation-states, thereby weakening the whole of Europe.
05:43   So the removal of powers from the nation states by Brussels
05:48   — while Brussels cannot perform these functions —
05:51   will in fact impair the EU. And this Brussels-ism threatens Europe
05:56   with a decrease in cooperation. Therefore I think each issue should be regulated, handled and solved
06:03   where it is the most lifelike and is in line with the natural order of life.
06:07   There is no need for doctrines, no need for ideologies;
06:13   we need solutions and decisions to serve the interest of the people. It is lacking in Brussels
06:16   — and this is the biggest trouble in Europe today.
06:19   Do you agree with the assertion that the purpose of the “worry” about the Polish democracy
06:24   is actually to divert attention from what happened in Cologne and in general from the issue of migration?
06:29   I do not assume malevolence. Because only a vicious person would attack a country
06:34   just to divert attention from their own problems.
06:39   I do not presume things like that, about any European leader.
06:44   I can see other reasons in the background:
06:48   it is simply that Brussels is irritated by the existence of strong nation-states,
06:53   that speak in a clear and straightforward way
06:56   and draw up their opinions and declare that certain issues should not be solved in Brussels but in Warsaw or Budapest.
07:03   This automatically stimulates negative Pavlovian responses in the European bureaucrats,
07:09   and they conduct a raid on the country that takes the liberty
07:13   to speak understandable, clear, straightforward language and honestly declare its goals. I think the Polish
07:19   have not done anything that deserves criticism from Europe.
07:23   Polish public life has debates like any other country in Europe,
07:29   and these debates do not exceed any limit that would justify any unprovoked actions
07:35   of the high-minded democracies which have existed for a longer time.
07:44   So I think if we look at Central Europe and Western Europe,
07:49   than we can say about Central Europe that — to be most moderate — it does not lag behind
07:56   the Western part of the continent concerning the requirements of democracy.
08:00   On the contrary: there are phenomena in Europe that could not occur in Central Europe.
08:06   Let us imagine that the Hungarian government had had it arranged
08:10   that an event involving mass atrocities — which is important for public interest and menaces people’s safety,
08:17   like the one that happened in Cologne — and if none of Hungarian news agencies,
08:20   neither the public services nor the private ones had reported on it — for how many days do you think
08:23   I would have remained in office? And it would not have been the opposition that would have pushed me aside,
08:28   but the Hungarian people would have asked, “what leaders do we have,
08:32   who prevent us from learning important facts for our lives?”
08:36   It is inconceivable in Central Europe. However, in Western Europe it does happen,
08:40   so I tell Western Europe to hold their horses; they do not have the moral or factual base to
08:47   hold us to account for democratic criteria,
08:50   because our life, as far as democratic benchmarks are concerned, does not lag behind theirs.

29 thoughts on “Viktor Orbán: “Brussels is Irritated by the Existence of Strong Nation-States”

  1. I know that many people think Viktor Orban is “over the top” somehow, but to me he is a true patriot who realizes that his duty is to protect and safeguard Hungary, which is his job. If he doesn’t play along with Brussels when he thinks it’s not good for Hungary, I would suggest the rest of the euro-pseudo-countries think again about what their duties are. It is not to protect Brussels, it is to protect their own countries.

    Historically, of course, Hungary has experienced Muslim invasions before so this is just sound common sense, which Madame Merkel seems to lack.

    Hungarian by descent, American by choice but I love both.

  2. He is sanity personified – plain common sense. I hope he sticks to his guns.

    The Poles are really abusing the Germans, saying that they well remember being under the German boot from World War 2!

    • Maybe the western EU folks will finally wake up, crack down then deport all these invaders. I see it as a possibility, however it would cause civil unrest by the invaders as they feel threatened. Either way, bloodshed and mayhem will occur.

    • “The Poles are really abusing the Germans…”

      The Poles are justified in not remembering the German occupation fondly, but they should be a little circumspect, as the occupation of Poland by Russia was not much better…and Poland may very well look to Russia for protection against the EU forces and even NATO.

      The EU has been quietly building up its own military capabilities…and of course, under the current Western leadership, it is always possible that NATO forces will be used in any “police” action to bring “rogue” states such as Hungary under the thumb of Brussels and the EU.

      I think if there is anything for which we should be grateful to Merkel for, it is that she, typically for fascist rulers, jumped the gun and mobilized the opposition to her policies before her enforcement apparatus was fully developed. In other words, the countries of Eastern Europe have been warned in no uncertain terms they will cease to exist unless they act independently…and they were actually warned while they still had time to act.

      These countries should never forget the intervention by NATO against the Serbs during the Bosnian or Kosovo wars, or the heavy US military commitment against secular governments in the Middle East.

      • Christians versus Mohammedans — which side would you expect NATO to take? Each member country’s government is busy fighting Christians back at home too.

        • “I will stand by the muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction”
          Hussein Obama, President of the US
          (from page 261 of “The Audacity of Hope”)

  3. Excellent translation, and an interview every European should listen to. If anyone can save Europe from itself, it will be the articulate and outstanding Viktor Orban.

  4. I’m seriously thinking about getting out of this hell-hole, but where to go? I have considered Malta, but Hungary might be worth investigating.

    • God bless you on your journey!!

      I wish for you the best.

      And I know just how you feel. Malta by the way is overflowing with islamics… sadly.

      My friend went on a cruise in the MED with her family and they stopped in Malta. SHOCKED her so bad that she went back aboard the ship with the other 2 ladies and 3 young’ uns and stayed there for the whole MALTA visit. The men in the party only did a one day tour and shopped . Then hey ALSO went back on board. My friend said NO WAY would she risk her kids getting hurt.

      • That’s incredibly sad to hear. I have visited Malta, and I found it to be an incredible place. That was a few years ago, mind you.

        How sad to hear that the place where the Knights of St. John stopped a previous Islamic invasion in its tracks (in 1565) is now succumbing to the same self-destructive political disease that is killing the rest of Europe.

        • Malta is an example of how ideas, not race, ruin a people. The Maltese are ethnically related to North Africans but have been Christian for hundreds of years. North Africa was, of course, once a civilised part of the Roman Empire (its ‘bread basket’) & was Christian before it was arabised & turned into a desert.

    • Malta….isn’t Malta being submerged with “refugees” and African and muslim migrants?!

    • Are there any boltholes left in Europe? Mine used to be Switzerland but back in the 90s even, I was shocked by Lucerne. It only had a few middle eastern residents, but the city centre was no longer ‘swiss’ – overflowing rubbish bins & trash on the pavement. Every day I couldn’t wait to catch a train into the countryside. My excuse was the weather in Lucerne, but I now realise there was something more – I wanted to escape the ambiance, the feeling, of the place which, again, was something no longer Swiss.

    • Why not try Hungary this summer. Lots to see and do.
      Good food, great beer.
      Place is a bit rough around the edges giving it an old world charm.
      Nice people and a lot safer than Greece or Malta.

  5. Found an old book with the prophesies of Nostradamus when I was rumbling around in the attic. Bought the book back in the eighties. Just for fun. I didn’t really believe in the predictions made in the book. Muslim invasion of Europe? Muslim headquarter in Cologne? Invasion and destruction of Rome? Give me a brake! That will never happen. Or so I thought. Now I’m almost chocked to read this again. Maybe good old Nostradamus really did have visions of the future?

    • Cologne takes its name from the Roman Colonia, a good place for the new colonists to start to assert their authority. It’s also home to the Shrine of the Three Kings. The enemy has a superb grasp of numerology, so remember that number.

      The 7/7 London bombings were in 2005 (2+5=7). The 1/7 (8) raid on Charlie Hebdo was in 2015 (2+1+5=8). The 11/13 Paris attacks were 9/11 advanced by one pair.

      This year, the 333rd anniversary of the Siege of Vienna, is 2016 (2+1+6=9, or 3×3). It’s also the 15th anniversary of 9/11. So watch out for days with 1, 3 or 5: March 3rd, March 15th (Ides of), March 21st (the European Spring), May 1st (Mayday, like 911 a recognised distress call).

    • “Czechia” is an accepted alternative name for the Czech Republic. Many Czechs use it themselves when writing in English. It’s quite correct; look it up.

  6. I have a question – what are the attitudes and actions of the other East European (former Warsaw Pact/former USSR) nations (Romania, Bulgaria, and the Baltics)?

    Are any of them taking in Muslim refugees? I would highly doubt it of course, but I am also wondering why they do not join the Visegrad group in that case as well. Adding those states would bring the Group to 9 nations, which I believe is a third of the EU.

    I also understand that Bulgaria might be a special case as it already has a large Muslim minority.

    • Yes, Bulgaria is a special case. After being ruled by the Ottoman Empire for all those centuries, and gaining independence only recently, in historical terms, they have no fondness for Muslims or Islam. However, they do have a substantial Muslim minority to contend with, about 12%, maybe slightly less than France.

      During the migration crisis last year, Bulgaria was (as far as I know) the only EU country in which a migrant was actually shot and killed trying to force his way through the border fence. I’m told that Bulgaria makes sure that any illegal immigrants who do manage to cross the border are made to feel extremely unwelcome. The exact means by which the Bulgarians achieve this was not specified.

      • Since most of those Muslims are ethnic Turks, I wonder what type of threat that Bulgaria might face soon from Sultan Erdogan under the pretext that somehow they are “persecuting” Turko-Bulgarians

        • Erdogan would have to pick that fight VERY carefully, because the Russians would stand behind their fellow Slavs.

          In a similar way the Russkis championed the Serbs against the Bosniaks and the Kosovars back in the ’90s. They couldn’t prevent the final outcome, because Ukraine and Hungary lay between them and the Serbs. They won’t have the same problem defending Bulgaria, because the Black Sea is a Russian lake.

          • Baron,

            Such a battle is more evenly matched than one might think.

            a) Russia is 140 million people, Turkey is 100 million. However, Russia has had a low birth rate for a long time, so I venture that Turkey may even have as many or more men of fighting age.

            b) While Russia’s military is bigger, much of that is due to its very large Navy. In ground forces, the difference is not great.

            c) The Black sea may be a Russian lake, but even with Crimea, supplies would still have to somehow get through Ukraine to get there, at least until they build a bridge in eastern Crimea across the Kerch Strait. Those ships while on the Black Sea would be vulnerable to the Turkish Air Force. Turkish forces only have to cross two miles across the Bosporus.

            d) This is Turkey we are talking about, not the Arabs. This is the one Muslim country whose military is actually considered competent.

            e) Russia would be spreading herself thin, as she is already in Eastern Ukraine and Syria.

  7. Bravo Victor Orban!
    He has not been infected with the Euro homogenisation virus. He is saying what most ordinary people are thinking (even if they are frightened to say it for fear of being labelled an “Islamophobe”) – Hateful and inaccurate term. Unlike the majority of the leaders in the West, he seems to be putting his people’s welfare first! Unusual I know!

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