According to the latest polls, the Party for Freedom (Partij voor de Vrijheid, PVV) — which has been the #1 party in the Netherlands for months — has reached a historic new high in the polls, and would take 41 seats (more than 27%) in the lower house of Parliament if the election were held today.
On Twitter this morning, Mr. Wilders said: “We will give our country back to our own people.”
Key to the parties:
|VVD||People’s Party for Freedom and Democracy|
|Volkspartij voor Vrijheid en Democratie|
|Partij van de Arbeid|
|PVV||Party for Freedom|
|Partij voor de Vrijheid|
|Classical liberal, Islam-critical
|Left-wing populists, former Maoists, to the left of communists
|CDA||Christian Democratic Appeal|
|Christian democrats, center-right
|Politieke Partij Democraten 66|
|Centrist social liberals
|Christian Democrats, left-wing, only “conservative” in being ostensibly religious
|Environmentalism plus hard left
|SGP||Reformed Political Party|
|Staatkundig Gereformeerde Partij|
|Christian right, advocates a Christian theocracy
|PvdD||Party for Animals|
|Partij voor de Dieren|
“We Will Give Our Country Back to Our Own People”
Really? How? Does Mr Wilders actually have a doable plan?
IMO, politicians are just puppets, including him. They have their assigned roles to play in the Spectacle. That’s all.
And the Spectacle impresses on hapless citizens the idea that whatever mess, you can vote your way out of it. Sorry. I don’t believe it.
Vera, it’s very doable to halt Islamic immigration. What exactly do you suggest instead? An army of fembots?
Heh. No. Holland is no longer Holland. Unless the people are willing to toss all non-Europeans out, which they aren’t, it can’t be done.
Can further immigration be stopped? Yes. But that won’t return the country to the Dutch.
Right, but many immigrants and their offspring aren’t muslims and are really no problem. I think Geert, part Indonesian, would include decent migrants in ‘our own people’. His policies aren’t about race.
So how would you pick and choose?
“So how would you pick and choose?”
The 1.2 billion people question!
I share your view in general about most politicians. They really are a sorry bunch. May I point you towards Winston Churchill’s assessment of his colleagues in the run up to WWII, which you will find on page 80 of the Mariner edition of ‘The Gathering Storm’. Parallels to today, without question.
However, to tar Mr. Wilders with the same brush is to commit a fallacy. I believe (if my memory serves) it would be known as the ‘fallacy of accident’ – which is to make a rash generalisation and to ignore the possibility that exceptions may exist.
You may wish to look back at Mr. Wilders’ history. He is a man of principle, and more than once he has been compared to Churchill who was, as you will be aware, something of an outcast in the years leading up to WWII.
But once we were at war, there was only one man for the job. (Halifax, Chamberlain’s choice, didn’t fancy it at all.) Once the SHTF, we are going to need men like Geert Wilders.
You may also want to consider the price for standing up for the truth. Once you familiarise yourself with the ‘back story’ I am confident you will agree that the world would be a far, far better place if there were more politicians like Geert Wilders.
I meant to say the price Wilders has paid for standing up for the truth …
The way other ‘politicians’ have treated Wilders shows pretty clearly that he is not ‘one of the boys’ at all …
About Winston Churchill I just wanted to say this: Churchill was in favor of a global government, so much so that he was firing the European Federalism, which aimed to create this giant bureaucratic machine called the European Union. To foster a movement for a unified world is something democratic, then the Soviet Union was overflowing democracy and we did not know that. I understand the distrust of Wilders, and is a valid suspicion. But remember that good political and that really speak what he thinks are rare – in my country even this is almost a scandal. However, the Dutch people are very liberal, and they are voting for Wilders (at least in the polls) by necessity, not by actually having the convictions that Mr. Wilders. Islam is bad, or Muslim immigration – all and it seems that everyone agrees with this, however, little problems in that country make it a fertile ground so that after a few years, everything goes back to how it was before.
In the category of anti-Christian countries, the Netherlands is part of the rankings, and such a country does not get much free time any kind of liberal disastrous policy. The only way these people be 100% sure of Islam, would be if the PVV instaurasse a dictatorship in that country to rule forever, which is not feasible, but unfortunately with a country with such a short-sighted people of culture and trends Marxism, this would be a practical solution, however impractical from a democratic point of view. The problem with these policies, to me, is not in the parties and in those who foster, but the people who choose these leaders. If a people have the ability to choose a Barack Obama, it means that the problem of that country, that democracy is exactly the cultural factor, ie the people. And in the Netherlands, I see this same feature.
Churchill was all for Europe for the Europeans and Gt Britain for the Commonwealth – and America. He wanted a free trade area of the commonwealth countries plus the US as he felt we had more in common with them than with Europe.
In the same way the UN declaration of Human rights was derived from the UK 1689 Bill of Rights.
Did you know that the Movement of European Federalists Churchill, consisted of communists? And I knew that the resolution of UN human rights, clutter various criminal courts in the outside world when they are adopted by the justice systems of countries? Did you know that the United Kingdom, or rather saying – judicial bodies, specifically Britain, complain that because of the adoption of the resolution of the European Union, they are unable to prosecute cases of criminal immigrants in their own country? It has never been a free trade area friend! If you read about Churchill and what he thought of the future of the world, and Europe, will see that it was in favor of a world government, and of a unified world. Churchill helped create the European Union, which as you can see for yourself, is not a free trade area only. Or you will tell me that the European Union has nothing to do with the current problems of Europe?
Yes, you can read his advocacy for world government in his Iron Curtain speech. I really don’t think he realized how it would turn out though. If he realized that the UN would be so corrupted by the OIC then he may have changed “world” to “non-Muslim world”.
“The creation of a world order with authority and total power is the ultimate goal for which we must fight. Unless some effective World supergovernment can be created and put into action quickly, the chances of peace and human progress are dark and doubtful. “.
“I’m here to tell you that no matter what shape your world security system may have, no matter how nations are grouped and aligned, no one to speak against national sovereignty in favor of a higher synthesis, nothing will work solidly or long, without the joint efforts of the British and American people. “.
The United Nations has never been a beneficial project Nimrod, from the beginning. At the beginning with her early paintings: Did you know that the top echelon of world communist parties outside the made up the organization in its infancy? Including members of the Russian Communist Party? The UN is a drag on my continent, the UN is a global project, an outline for a world government. No supranational project that undermines the sovereignty can be good. Neither the UN nor the EU were born to be democratic instruments, the project itself these organizations is totalitarian. UN and European Union are totalitarian project power and global dominance, the more united the world is craving a government, less democracy has, and more totalitarianism is consolidated.
vera: I don’t believe it either, it’s a pipe dream that will never happen in reality. It will continue to get worse all over the EU, because majority of Europeans don’t care about anything that matters.
Laura, why is that? I have not lived in Europe for many a year now. I just don’t understand how this could have come about? Is it secularism, people not believing in anything anymore? It can’t be, because eastern Europe does get it, in part, and they have been targeted by secularism far harder.
I think it’s because they have had it ‘too good for too long’. Really, when your biggest problem is to ensure that transsexuals get their own loos, your people are spoiled and weakened.
They see islamic violence on TV, but somehow it hasn’t occurred to enough of them that it’s right there, in their cities.
German women have just had a very rough wake-up shake-up. I hope they don’t go back to sleep.
The old story of decadence? One civ goes into a tailspin of addiction to comforts and vices, and the barbarians show up at the gate, and someone actually opens it up because people are so bored and corrupted and frankly mad. Then the barbarians settle down, and in their turn grow soft and decadent, so the cycle can repeat. ?
Exactly, Vera. I really believe it’s true.
Nick, I have nothing against Mr Wilders, in fact, I quite agree with you. I am just saying that the real powers that be are elsewhere, and the politicians cannot do much nowadays.
You may be right; the more one thinks about this situation, the more one arrives at the question: How far up the ‘chain of command’ does this evil go?
There very well may be some true believers in the final solution of ‘multiculturalism’. But it’s difficult to see how anyone can really believe such nonsense – and the political elite are certainly smart enough as individuals. So what’s *their* motive – ok they can use the situation to increase state control over the individual. And maybe to import people who in the short term will probably vote for them. But long term they must surely see what they are bringing about. So what exactly are their motives?
Are they being ‘controlled’ in some way?
All the way up, methinks.
But. Each such system is very vulnerable to the Naked Emperor moment. The last few days, I watched the famous moment when senator’s McCarthy’s power vanished: “Have you no decency, sir?” But those were the days when people in power still seemed to have some left.
Those are good questions, and I have been all over looking for some answers. Folks here are way ahead of me on that. I am still wandering around in a fog. But one element I am fairly certain of: they are trying to prevent the falling apart of EU. They know that if European communities remain relatively intact, their days are numbered. It was, after all, the cohesive Iceland who alone managed to stand up to the banksters.
If they had just wanted younger more plentiful workforce, they would have opened up the doors to Ukrainians instead. Neighbors, educated, similar values, and in need of help (failed state). Problem solved.
But the trouble is – McCarthy was right. Many of Roosevelt’s advisors etc were in fact Communist plants.
“During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act” George Orwell. Can we at least credit Mr Wilder’s for his honesty and persistence. Modern France was born out of revolution as was the USA, Ghandi was mocked by the establishment and yet India gained her independence. Mr Wilders is not alone, there is Orban, Farage, Le Pen and others too. The porcine Cameroon, Hollande, and mutti Merkel are complacent at the moment, let’s shake them up a bit!
There can be, have been, tectonic shifts in political history where things change. I keep suggesting to people that they read about Andrew Jackson’s presidential campaign. He was an outsider to Washington, D.C., a Vulgarian populist. His main opponent was from the well-established Adams family dynasty.
Today’s political atmosphere in D.C. has many similarities: insiders vs. the rest of the country.
ANYONE who thinks one politician can’t make a difference needs to visit the ruinations our current president has managed to bring down not only on us but on the wider world. He never hid his goal: radical transformation.
Now begins the necessary pushback.
When people say “what can one man do?” I point them to history
12 Galliean bumkins changed the world
In Eastern Europe, it was one man Lech Walensa who brought down the Communist Party of Poland and what soon followed was the end of communism in Eastern Europe. Walensa was a shipyard builder (another bumkin).
So Bumpkins of the world, you have nothing to lose but your chains.
I believe that the current Prez does the bidding of others (as did those before him). It is quite likely that he was given to understand that his would be Jack’s and Bobby’s fate if he did not toe the line. Now I am not saying he is a victim, I think he is quite cynically going along and not the least unhappy about it.
The amount of damage he’s presided over is indeed staggering.
I think so, too; perhaps the Muslim Brotherhood told him “Shape up or….” I can’t wait for the “Syrian refugees” to arrive, none of which can be Christian, it seems, since they aren’t (allowed) in the (Muslim) refugee camps.
But who held George W Bush’s feet to the fire? HIS administration flew Osama bin Laden’s relatives home to Saudi, even when air space was closed, in the days immediately after 11 September 2001. What on earth was THAT all about? And the “Mission Accomplished” hoo-ha???!!! The attacks on formerly stable Iraq, now a source of strength for ISIS. Etc. I imagine Evil Uncle Dick Cheney was a source of orders, but who was HE serving?
I’m not sure our country is up to even 4, let alone 8, more years of “leadership” like either of these…ah…men has provided.
I agree. When has a majority ever succeeded in anything of any great note? The majority are followers, the individual is the great motivator.
Mr Wilders has big plans , he sees the problem with being a member (founding member) of the European Union , which indeed block any and all plans to stop the invasion of the Netherlands.
This means that Mr.Wilders want to step out of the EU and with that measure gets his hands free to have active border patrols and stop any immigration from non western countries into The Netherlands.
Not to mention quickly send back the criminal elements that at the moment ravage our dear country.
However , 41 seats in the Dutch parliament is by far not enough to make this possible.
The other parties , specially d66 (a highly EU friendly party) , the PVDA which is responsible for the huge mess we are in and even the liberal VVD (ruling party) have made clear that they wont ever cooperate with the PVV of Mr Wilders .
Unfortunatly to have power you need to be in the government , screaming from the sideline (opposition) does not cut wood.
Its a year before the elections , Germany expects another 1 to 1.5 million refugees/luckseekers and The Netherlands somehwere south of 100.000 to 150.000 , this fact and \ or a major terrorist attack in Europe , which in my idea is inevitable could be a momentum to gain 20 seats more leaving PVV as the biggest party .
This way the PVV could choose who to form a government with .
And there will be gnawing of teeth , our king William probably will need a dentist 🙂
Actually, the PVV is by far the biggest party now. It just doesn’t have an absolute majority, nor is it likely to get one.
However, another 5-10 seats (in a real election) might be enough to cause a tectonic shift. The advantages for one or more of the little parties to form a coalition might be tempting enough to make them break the cordon sanitaire and allow Mr. Wilders to form a government.
This is uncharted territory, so we don’t really know what would happen under those circumstances.
I would love that for my country , but I dont see it happening as there is a lot to the left and nearly nothing to the right.
However we shouldnt not underestimate an importangt thing in Dutch parliament , those blue seats our highly respected (not) representatives sit on seem to have a fair amount of glue on them.
Its is for the majority of our highly (not) respected politicians hard to go back to work among the peasants in their job as civil servants (although suspiciously much of them wind up as major of a town) and the higher ranking always seem to get a very well paid job in the EU.
I realized that something was way rotten inside Holland when I followed that pathetic flight 17 commission and it’s mindboggling obfuscation. I am so sorry. Holland was once the pride of Europe. As was Sweden.
Some people have raised an important issue here, which is the overestimation of the vote. I am of the opinion that think that everything will turn through voting, and things will be different forever is a mistake, and that’s what I see. I’m not saying that Mr. Wilders is a poor personal and a demagogue; no, far from it. But it is not, and never will be the final solution to Holland’s Muslim problem. Netherlands is one of anti-Christian European countries more liberal and pro-Marxist I know, and many people I’ve seen say vote for Wilders, not because they have philosophies consistent with it, but because they have no choice – that is, They are only voting out of necessity.
Voting will not save the culture of the Netherlands; if they have one. A patriotic movement fighting for the culture of their country, and the values of his country which are not cultural Marxists and secular values that are there. The indulgence of the vote is the problem of the Europeans, who do not understand their own culture, but only want to live in stupid consumerism, and the spree of its decay. The Dutch want to save their culture? Great! They go to the streets and fight against the entire political establishment, in addition to electing a true patriot, and true patriots. But if their struggle is only the vote, not a constant, then I’m afraid, everything will go wrong, and they will have a momentary comfort, and only this.
The Germans have more claw the Dutch. Unlike the Netherlands, countries of the East have culture, and has a population that rejects this Marxist abomination, and also the people are very united.
The Netherlands doesn’t have culture?!
Interpret as follows: the country is dominated by the Cultural Marxism, so when I say “culture”, I am referring to Christianity.
It seems to me that the worst danger is not the enemy.
It is our own loss of hope, the internal voice that says nothing can change.
It’s so easy to give in to that voice , a bitter-sweet sense of loss, an undemanding passive resentment.
It frees us from the necessity to risk ourselves with action in the world. Because with action comes the risk of failure and loss.
And with action also comes the risk of actually achieving something.
Why is that a risk? Because achievement is painful when it upsets that comfortable, sad and above all undemanding place where nothing can change.
There is a two-stage therapy for this condition.
Firstly: Accept that it seems hopeless.
But then, secondly, do the following:
Be unreasonable. Be obnoxious. Say the inconvenient truth.
Stand for the values of our ancient civilisation, still the most powerful, creative, compassionate and yes, also the most dangerous society in the entire history of the planet.
Never, ever, ever, give in.
Animal party sounds interesting.
I think a thoughtful distribution of black widows, cobras, mambas, perhaps a scorpion or 10,000 might solve some problems.
Then, there’s always the rat option. Or should I say, the flea option.
Worked pretty well in the past.