57 thoughts on “When Will the Dark Ages Begin Again?”

1. Compare your own situation today in 2015 with 2005, 1995 and 1985.

   Of course, that’s what Obama calls “looking backward,” and it’s apparently a bad thing that we should never do.

   I have the sinking feeling that nearly all of our politicians are bought/blackmailed at this point. Some are delighted to do the bidding of their new overlords (George Galloway), some are winking and smirking as they do it (Obama), some will deny it to the end that they are (Hillary Clinton). The few who see their culture being dismantled and handed over to invaders scratch their heads and wonder, “Why don’t these nitwits see what’s going on?”

   Think along the lines of “bought/blackmailed” and it will all make sense.

   • Blackmailed? Clearly there are fortunes being made from throwing the borders of Western countries wide open for those whose inexpensive labour is sought by the business elites and whose votes are sought by the politicians. It all boils down to money.

     Only a massive uprising of the common folk, who are being demographically replaced, against the political elite has any chance of reversing this process. There is an increasingly shrinking window of time for this. My estimation is that Europe has about twenty years left before the point of no return. The U.S., about forty. The key to this is who makes up the majority of the population among those who are currently under five years old.

   • Think along the lines of “bought/blackmailed” and it will all make sense.

     I’ve come to the same conclusion. That’s the only way I can see their motivation for destroying our civilization.

2. But the barbarians who invaded the Western Roman Empire converted, or were in the process of converting, to Christianity, (which had already become a major religion of the Roman Empire before Constantine) and which made them inclined to try to conserve much of the classical civilisation which they had invaded, – whereas our current barbarians…..

   • Yes; the writer of this piece seems to be assuming the conventional history of the Fall of the Roman Empire and perhaps not factoring in the Pirenne thesis — namely, that the Empire never did fall; it was in the process of transforming into a new form, the Christian Roman Empire — when suddenly out of the desert stormed Islam and horribly assailed and traumatized this nascent new Empire, causing it to recoil and buckle, for a few centuries.

     Luckily, the inherent strength and health of the Christian Empire was able to fend off the ultimate conquest which the Muslims desired; and eventually embarked on an amazing progress that grew exponentially, ultimately outstripping their former Muslim nemesis astronomically (with signs of a reversal in this asymmetry only coalescing, due to a variety of factors, including our own stupidity in allowing in millions of Muslims into our lands, in the latter 20th century).

   • Correct. The Roman Empire being taken over by the barbarians of that time will seem tame compared to being taken over by the beards whose ideology encompasses every aspect of ones life.

3. That’s a European future. In America we have GUNZ!….and some very violent people with [redacted] male genitalia when pushed.

   • One question; where will you, your family and your gun be, when they come a knocking on your back door at 3am to seize it?

     • Um…in bed, with my primary home defense options ready to hand.

       Or in the bathroom, possibly.

       Then again, I might be lurking anywhere all, I like to get midnight snacks and so forth.

       Why?

     • In America, if your name’s on the list they’ll be coming at 3am, but they won’t be using the back door and they sure as heck won’t be knocking.

       • My question is rhetorical anon61. Having a military/police background, I am well aware of how the powers to be operate. Let’s just say at this point in time that I pose questions like that to make those who wish to resist in the loss of individual freedom think about how they should prepare themselves for that eventual visit by the fascists when the time comes.

         Because the time is fast approaching.

         The best Patriots are live Patriots, not the gung ho bravado who lose their life cheaply because their attitude prevents them from thinking outside the box. You should be prepared to take many fascists with you before you die, and that should become a sacred oath which in turn would become an effective deterrent to those who would willingly subjugate you, but the action should be away from the home address while laying in ambush as the situation presents itself.

     • Why did I ask that question? Because I find there is displayed in many comments much bravado by those who have yet to feel the real heat of battle.

       • Well, most of those who have felt as much heat as I have are dead. That doesn’t mean they don’t deserve to have their opinions represented.

         • Bravado is not an opinion Chiu, it is a false state of mind that betrays the foolish.

         • Look, speaking as someone who has already had the police try to murder me for defending freedom, I’m saying that I don’t mind people who haven’t yet experienced that personally showing a little “bravado”.

           I would say that I can’t speak for the dead, but I don’t have the luxury of denying my responsibility to speak for those who didn’t survive what I have. I MUST speak for those who the police have managed to kill, and I encourage those who, despite not yet having faced death, are willing to speak boldly against tyranny.

           If a few more people were willing to show a bit more “bravado”, then maybe the murderers running things would have thought about the possible consequences of their actions before committing us all to the inevitability of civil war.

         • My reasoning is not as you would think, but rather a prod if you will, to acknowledge that bravado, especially false bravado, is what many cowards would hide behind. Not that I am in anyway trying to suggest that you are a coward.

           I write these words from my own experience as it has been an eye opener at times for me, especially when working as a policeman, to experience the betrayal of those who talk the talk, but fail to walk the walk when it came time to ‘man up’ at the many incidents I faced where certain injury or even death could have been a result of police intervention.

           It has always been that actions will speak louder than words – and that is the point I am trying to get across to you for you to realize that the expectation of support or action from those who use bravado to bolster their courage can soon find that courage evaporating when the SHTF.

           I have no idea what your ‘beef’ with the police is over. Maybe I could give you some tips? If so, and the Baron doesn’t mind, ask him for my email address.

         • My point is that, if a few more people had shown a bit more “bravado”, the maybe we could have avoided the SHTF a little longer.

           When very few people are willing to pledge to fight against tyranny, then tyrants are emboldened. When many people so pledge, then tyrants become cautious. If nothing else, sorting through and figuring out which elements of the opposing force are lacking in commitment absorbs a certain amount of the tyrant’s resources.

           “Out of every one hundred men, ten shouldn’t even be there, eighty are just targets, nine are the real fighters, and we are lucky to have them, for they make the battle. Ah, but the one, one is a warrior, and he will bring the others back.”

           Yes, the ten blowhards who will fold at the first hint of a threat and betray their comrades shouldn’t be there. But the eighty targets at least accomplish dividing the enemy’s focus on the real fighters and warrior.

           That’s one of the reasons that under certain mission profiles soldiers are encouraged to open fire even before they have a target sighted…because IT MAKES A DIFFERENCE.

           The war is already upon us. They have already murdered hundreds of veterans speaking out for freedom and imprisoned at least a thousand more. The murderers prefer that nobody notice this gross betrayal, but some of us have witnessed it first-hand and survived. It isn’t something I can or will ever forget, until the last tyrant is dead and forgotten.

           I know that the vast majority of those who contribute to the rallying cry will be of no real use once they see real danger. BUT I WANT THE RALLYING CRY FOR ITS OWN SAKE!

           And those who aren’t willing to even shout defiance at the foe, for fear of calling attention to themselves….

   • We also have sports. Upstairs and downstairs leaders and legions could be unleashed. Still, the post 9/11 open borders and deletion of ‘are you now or have you ever been a member of the German Nazi Party’ from USA entry paperwork is noteworthy.

     • Dear anonymous. Could you please explain your comment so that I may respond to you?

   • That only works if the invasion is big, bold and sudden. Then it’s war.

     But this invasion is a slow seeping. It’s invaders moving in and creeping their culture in.

     At what point do you whip out your gun and start shooting? And how do you NOT become displayed in the news as a racist nut? When it’s a culture war, the guy who starts shooting is doing more harm than good.

     • Elections. Voting surges. Rule the changes.

       • Dear anonymous. Really? You believe that by voting it changes the course of things?

     • That will happen when the reality of the situation can no longer be ignored, when one can no longer put off taking sides.

     • Very good point. What good are guns if the gov’t has seized them?

     • The next time the cops try anything, I kill them.

       They’ve had this communicated to them. They know that, as a result of their previous actions, I have the right to assume the criminality of any move the make against me.

       Sure, maybe they move, and then try to portray me as a nutjob for defending myself and my inalienable rights. But I refuse to be cowed. I will not remain silent out of fear of what they might do.

   • If you go on to Barenakedislam,watch the thread with the muslim trying to rape the young American school girl,no one there to protect her,this is stealth jihad,this is how it starts,and you cant be there 24/7 to protect your kids,and this nonsense about Americans having guns my friend,dont you think muslims in your lands dont have guns too.Laws in Europe favour muslims,just recently two kids were sent to jail for putting bacon strips on the door to a mosque,so we have two fronts to fight,islamism and liberalism

4. Regarding H. Numan’s essay, “When Will the Dark Ages Begin Again” –

   While I share the author’s alarm about the state of our society and while, as he does, I suspect that the future is grim, I find myself skeptical about the historical basis of his argument.

   Readers of The Gates of Vienna will be familiar with Henri Pirenne’s thesis, plausible enough when it first appeared in Mohammed and Charlemagne (1937), and even more so today supported as it is by seventy-five years of archeology and historical research. Briefly, Pirenne argues that Roman civilization went on after the administrative forfeiture of 476 and under the Gothic Kings, to the extent of nearly three hundred years; he also argues that the actual “Dark Age” began when Islam blockaded the Mediterranean and cut of the essential supply of papyrus from Egypt. This sudden dearth of the essential product for record-keeping coupled with increasing Muslim aggression in the form of razias or raids was the cause of the sudden catastrophic retraction of civilized life. And even then there were Charlemagne and Alfred the Great.

   Other aspects of Numan’s presentation are open to question. The Fifth-Century barbarians were heavily Romanized and Christianized; they did not have contempt for the civilization that they wrested from the Latin aristocracy – they seem on the whole rather to have aspired to it. In these ways the Goths differed mightily from the Twentieth-Century savages with whom Numan would compare them.

   Nor was the suite of centuries after the Fifth the intellectual midnight of illiteracy that the Eighteenth-Century philosophes claimed it to be. The case for a vigorous continuity in both Latin and Greek letters is made persuasively by Sylvain Gouguenheim in his Aristote au Mont Saint-Michel: Les racines grecques de l’Europe Chrétienne, which (not incidentally) also roundly puts an end to the myth that Western Europe owes its knowledge of classical literature to the Muslims.

   I seek no dust-up with H. Numan. I, too expect a new dark age. I merely suggest that Numan’s argument depends on the invocation of a parallelism which has become increasingly dubious.

   Sincerely,

   • A good response to an otherwise dark, but also enlightening, article. Much of Western civilizational laws and social norms have been handed down to us from Rome. We should never forget that without the Roman influence the West would have been a very different scenario indeed.

     Yes, I agree that it was Islam, that destructive ideology of anything and everything pre-Islamic that was the cause of much of the destruction of what remained of the Roman Empire and from such destruction the Dark Ages emerged.

   • ” The Fifth-Century barbarians were heavily Romanized and Christianized; they did not have contempt for the civilization that they wrested from the Latin aristocracy – they seem on the whole rather to have aspired to it. In these ways the Goths differed mightily from the Twentieth-Century savages with whom Numan would compare them.”

     Yes, the barbarians in effect assimilated over time and grew to respect, admire and learn the higher culture their forbears had sought to assail — unlike Muslims, who only pretend to assimilate (those, that is, who go to that trouble) but have no intention of really doing so. Muslims are not barbarians in that sense, capable of remedial adaptation; they have their own cosmion that is sophisticated in its own right, independent of ours, even if it is infused with a psychopathic fanaticism, and one with an illustrious heritage of having conquered more land than Alexander the Great.

     • Conquering more land than Alexander The Great

       One biography about the islamic founder explains about exactly this idea as the main motivation for the said founder.

5. Yes, the parallels between then and now are very similar, so similar in fact that it should give pause to those who know their history, both ancient and modern, but I hesitate in accepting that Rome’s fall is what we can expect within the next generation simply because there are so many differences when comparing what ailed the then Roman Empire with today’s collective West that the outcome for today’s West is still, and as far as I am concerned, within the balance.

   For example:

   I believe the most obvious advantage that the West has over our ancient ancestors is our ability to rapidly communicate with each other – which is of course slowly being manipulated by the Traitor Class. However, compared to the Romans, who at best could communicate only through the horse propelled Imperial Mail service, there are far too many Westerners now awake to what is really going down at the hands of those who are willingly selling us out for their thirty pieces of silver.

   Hence the rise of anti-status quo political parties and movements throughout the West which can only increase as time goes on.

   The Traitor Class may hold the edge when it comes to denying the citizenry their means of communication via illegal legislation, but in my humble opinion, the horse has bolted and all they are now doing is just shutting the gate.

   • Good reply. Positive thinking too.

     • I agree

6. Holger Danske is stirring! Men of the North Unite and assemble for defense of the Homeland!

7. Very interesting essay, however there are significant differences between the decline of the Western Roman Empire and the current situation.
   Many of the barbarians who occupied and conquered fragments of the old Roman imperium respected Latin culture and desired, to some extent, to be ‘Romans’. Greco-Roman civilisation was preserved, in a degraded form, in Southern Europe until the Renaissance. Even in Northern Europe, Latin was the language of learning for more than a thousand years.
   In contrast the later Muslim invasions of North Africa and the Near East caused, after a brief ‘Golden Age’ the virtual annihilation of Geco-Roman civilisation and the ‘Arabisation’ of the region, with the notable exception of Persia where some pre-Islamic culture survives.
   The totalitarian ideology of Islam is a far greater threat, there will not be another Renaissance.

   I could write that ‘future historians will be puzzled as to why such a powerful civilisation surrendered to its relatively weak enemies’, but there won’t be any pre-Islamic history after the Caliphate is introduced.

8. You very eloquently and with historical data wrote what I have been thinking for sometime. It is already in progress. The unimaginable is occurring right now.

   • You are imagining. The unimaginable I imagine will be very different. Britain and Ireland following out of the EU might have some unintended consequences for the savages free ride so far. Something has to give.

     • Yes. Western apathy is the result of Western productivity. Our economies creak under the strain an the EU now, remarkably, ever so hesitantly, begins to speak of interdicting the flow of invaders. Too, debt (which haven’t yielded much of late) cannot increase much longer.

       That insanity is over and commoners are waking up to the increased repression necessary to hide the savagery of the enrichers. I think a bunch of us are going to open us up a big ol’ can of whoop ass in the soon time.

       • ‘whoop ass’ – yes indeedy Colonel, most of us are just waiting for the right time!

9. What apparently hasn’t been discussed in this study in parallelism is the heart and soul of the civilizations that made them what they were. When Rome was growing in strength, which saw its end with Hadrian, it was important to be “Roman” as opposed to whatever you were previously. Christians stated that being Christ’s was more important, which is what caused their persecution as nascent traitors and seditionists. However, Rome, in Constantine, found a way to meld the best in Christianity with the best of Rome. We have this effort with us today in the person of the Catholic Church. The Burgundians and Franks quickly realized that Christians made the best citizens, and it followed that the best citizens made the best empires.
   Fast forward to the present and what find is that during World War II the emphasis shifted from what was in the heart to what showed on the outside. Billy Graham exhorted Eisenhower to go to church, not to accept Christ in his heart. So the 50s and 60s became a matter of putting on the best, and most correct show. The result was that good morals and good citizenship became a matter of duty instead of a heartfelt commitment. As with anything, humans will become tired of doing something just because someone told them and desire to ‘do’ something else. Thus the late 60s and 70s when everyone ‘did’ something else. When no one objected, the something else became whatever you wanted to do, for which no one had the right to hold you accountable. The inevitable result of this pursuit of self-satisfaction was the existential nihilism that began to make itself known in the early 90s and has grown greater since.
   Islam as it is presented today provides the logical next step which is total nihilism, the burial of the past, which was a failure in the minds of many anyway, and a way to make your-‘self’ acceptable to a god with hard and fast rules that are only broken upon penalty of death. Never mind the bright hope and promise that following Christ provides, that is ‘so next life’ and where is the reality of this Jesus’ return anyway? Yes, the coming age will be truly dark as the human soul has abandoned hope and promise for a bowl of lentil pottage served up by a culture that has become as much the machine as the machines it invented to wait upon it hand and foot.
   This is how an appraiser and his observations from the view of the street and sidewalk see the future.

   • All very well, except that I for one have absolutely no desire to be ruled by any kind of group-think, christianity included. The time has come, Constantine-like, for every man to take the best from every philosophy and construct his own set of morals.

     Anything less is an admission of failure as a thinking being.

     • That is what goes on ceaselessly in any aware person. However, 98% of the book that has resulted from that process has been written. Its title is Custom and Tradition. Wouldn’t it be more a failure to ignore that book and actually think one should start with a blank slate?

10. End of eighth paragraph:
    “In other words, there was plenty of room for negations [negotiations?].”

11. acuara, your heartfelt comment can only be projected so far in this world of dense thinking. Look around you and take in what is now presented as ‘normal’ civilization. Then ask yourself; is that what I was meant to be born into and unconditionally accept or was my birth an act to counter what is making this world so wrong?

    • This is my guiding ethos, “Love the Lord your God with your whole heart, soul, mind, and strength; and love your neighbor as yourself.” If you love God (YA) above everything else you will not do what your heart tells you is offensive to Him. If you love your neighbor as yourself, then you will not do to your neighbor what you would not want done to you. This is the foundation of Christianity and the foundation of Western Civilization. You can see how this foundation has been abandoned and undermined and how Western Civilization has suffered as the consequence. Instead of having only these two laws, we now have countless regulations that attempt to duplicate what God has said, twice. In fact, in the Torah, there were as many laws as there are bones in the human body, 619 of them if I am not mistaken. For me and my household, we would rather lovingly serve from the heart than keep track of all those laws and regulations, and in serving from the heart we are at liberty from all of those laws, and as such are free indeed.

      • The first and great commandment stands on its own. All else, (including the second commandment) is elaboration.

        If you love God with all you’ve got, then you will love His children exclusively for being His children rather than for any other quality. If you love yourself more just because you are yourself, then you held something back from loving God. Conversely, if you take no thought for helping God’s children return to their Father’s embrace, you aren’t loving them because they’re His children, but for some other reason, and thus you held back something from loving Him entirely.

      • The laws and regulations in the Torah are there to sacralize every aspect of the life of an observant Jew. Freedom is not freedom from laws. We find freedom in faith when we accept boundaries and reject boundless license.

12. Of course, the ‘best’ of some philosophies is the empty set…

13. I don’t know whether there were more Simachus consuls, but one of them went to live in Albania, that was a civilized part of the Roman empire back then. His descendants live today in Albania and they don’t know it. They bear the family name Simaku. There is nothing else to explain their family name, as it is not a place name, nor a given name, nor a profession in the languages around.

    • Very interesting!

14. Wherever Islam spreads becomes the Dark Ages since this Death Cult is founded on Terror.

    The human survival instinct has yet to rouse in the West.

    The future will be determined by its awakening.

    Or its failure to.

    • Zbigniew Brzenzinski offered up, a few years ago now, the comment, “They are waking up!” They, meaning us plebs of course to his and John Rockefeller’s goal of bringing about The New World Order.

      See the Trilateral Commission for more info regarding these over moneyed megalomaniacs.

15. Any thoughts on how Russia and China, as well as India, might react at a certain time, or at different stages of the inevitable scenarios of the descent into the dark ages?

    Europe is a considerable market for, first and moremost, China. How might China counteract to try and stop the West’s descent into the inferno?

    • …

      Uh, for the last several decades China has been deliberately planning to destroy the global economy as a means of eliminating Western influence.

      Exactly why would they try to stop their own plan from coming to fruition?

16. ISIS wife to be taken to Guantanamo after US special forces’ successful raid killing ISIS commander in Syria

    • A Pentagon spokesman, however, says to The Guardian, that would not happen, regarding the capture of the ISIS wife and her being taken to Guantanamo.

17. Opening Ovid’s Metamorphoses today, is an immediate reminder of the rich heritage of our culture, and how we should stick to it even more in times like these.

    Immediately, you can recall the European culture that is difficult, if not even impossible, to see on the surface of today’s heart of Europe.

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