“Freedom of Speech Has Boundaries”

Update: Vlad has uploaded the missing video to LiveLeak, and I changed the embed.

A large crowd of “Britons” gathered in Downing Street today to protest the cartoons of Mohammed published by the French magazine Charlie Hebdo, and against insulting the prophet in general. Estimates of numbers run from 1,000 (The Telegraph) to 10,000 (the organizers, and also Breitbart).

The event was organized by a group known as the Muslim Action Forum:

Shaykh Tauqir Ishaq, a senior spokesman for the Forum, said “Perpetual mistakes by extremists, either by cold-blooded killers or uncivilised expressionists, cannot be the way forward for a civilised society.

“The peace-loving majority of people must become vociferous in promoting global civility and responsible debate. At this time of heightened tension and emotion, it is crucial that both sides show restraint to prevent further incidents of this nature occurring.” [emphasis added]

In other words, “cold-blooded killers” and those who draw cartoons of Mohammed are “extremists” of the same magnitude. “Both sides” make “mistakes” and must practice restraint.

This is the sort of false equivalence of which Barack Hussein Obama might approve!

Actually, under Islamic law, the protesters are quite correct when they insist that the only way to achieve harmony among diverse communities is for everyone to refrain from insulting the prophet Mohammed. Shariah makes exactly this requirement, which applies to Muslims and non-Muslims alike. Those who do not heed it are guilty of Islamic slander (ghiba), the penalty for which is death.

This means that the assassins who carried out the Charlie Hebdo massacre were simply executing the prescribed sentence for ghiba in the time-honored, ad-hoc fashion as practiced so often in shariah-based societies.

Yes, harmony will indeed come to Britain as soon as parliament criminalizes insulting Mohammed and all the other violations of shariah that are now so rampant in British society.

The video below features one Abu Tahir speaking at today’s event:

Update: Whoops! By the time I got the post together, the video had been yanked. Too bad — if another version of it surfaces, I’ll use that.

Below are excerpts from a Breitbart article about today’s protest in London:

Muslims Protest Downing Street, Warning Britain Not To Insult Mohammed

Ten thousand Muslims are protesting outside Downing Street and the Ministry of Defence against the publication of cartoons depicting Mohammed. The cartoons — which led to the brutal massacre at the French magazine Charlie Hebdo — were described by the group as a “violation of Islamic law”.

The crowd held banners saying “Charlie and the abuse factory” and “learn some manners” as they called for the world to observe Muslim blasphemy rules. The group taunted the grieving families and supporters of the murdered Charlie Hebdo journalists by using the “#JeSuisCharlie” hashtag to tweet pictures of the rally.

Men and women were divided within the protest as they waved a huge “Be Careful With The Prophet” banner close to the Cenotaph. The sign was widely taken as a direct threat to British military forces, whose lives are commemorated at the memorial.

The protest was organised by the Muslim Action Forum (MAF), which said that the Charlie Hebdo cartoons had helped “sow the seeds of hatred” and had damaged community relations.

British media refused to show the Charlie Hebdo cartoons, despite repeated requests from French journalists. This led Shaykh Noor Siddiqi, from the MAF to tell the rally: “The actions of the UK media in not publishing the cartoons is highly appreciated by British Muslims and we hope that this kind of self-restraint and mutual respect will ultimately lead to a harmonious society.”

There’s more at The Telegraph.

Hat tips: For the video, Vlad Tepes; for the Breitbart article, Gaia.

31 thoughts on ““Freedom of Speech Has Boundaries”

  1. That “both sides” idea is, obviously, an “argument” that is being used across borders, in order to “state” that there is always a civilized world “equivalent” to the worst extremes in islam.

  2. We must be absolutely crystal clear concerning speech—or else faageddabaattit!!!
    FREE means FREE, without any exception! Iffen you or another [ethnic epithet] don’t like it, then SUE for slander if you like–but just remember that in the real world, TRUTH IS AN ABSOLUTE DEFENSE.
    So, yeah–Mo WAS a pedophile, AND committed genocide, AND rape…………………………

  3. What we need to remember here:

    “The Special Rapporteur also reiterates his concern in relation to anti-blasphemy laws, which are inherently vague and leave the entire concept open to abuse. He wishes to underscore once again that international human rights law protects individuals and not abstract concepts such as religion, belief systems or institutions, as also affirmed by the Human Rights Committee (CCPR/C/GC/34, para. 48). Moreover, the right to freedom of religion or belief, as enshrined in relevant international legal standards, does not include the right to have a religion or belief that is free from criticism or ridicule. Indeed, the right to freedom of expression includes the right to scrutinize, debate openly, make statements that offend, shock and disturb, and criticize belief systems, opinions and institutions, including religious ones …”

    La Rue, F. Promotion and protection of the right to freedom of opinion and expression, UN General Assembly, 67th Session, A/67/357, September 7th 2012, paragraph 53, available at: Office of the High Commissioner of Human Rights > English > Human Rights Bodies > Special Procedures > General Assembly 67th session (accessed 09/02/2015).

  4. Hazel Blears(Salford and Eccles) (Lab): The Prime Minister has said on a number of occasions in this House that we face a long-term generational struggle and the priority is to fight this poisonous ideology. Will he commit now to working with the mainstream, moderate Muslim community in this country—who see these atrocities carried out in the name of their religion and utterly reject them—and to having a practical programme to make that happen?

    The Prime Minister: I absolutely commit to doing that and we have to do it not just in Britain, but right around the world. We should be very clear that the cause of this problem is the poisonous narrative of Islamic extremism. Wherever there are broken states, conflict and civil wars, we see this problem arise, whether it is Boko Haram in Nigeria, al-Qaeda in Yemen or ISIL in Iraq and Syria. We need Muslims to reclaim their religion from these extremists. – David Cameron, 26thSeptember 2014.

    The Cameron creature intends to protect our freedoms by aligning himself with the very people who want to take them away? He has to get his P45 in May.

  5. “No respect: Protesters wave placards and take photos from Field Marshal Montgomery’s statue”

    Daily Mail

  6. Britons only for the welfare,im pretty sure they dont see our monarch as their leader

  7. (1) Aren’t these “Don’t Insult The Prophet” (“the”? there’s only one?) demonstrators afraid of being arrested for threatening community cohesion with their fellow-Britons who are aficianados of prophetic portraiture?

    (2) Does ‘Umdat al-Salik (“Reliance of the Traveller”) have an alphabetical index? Look up “ghiba” and check what it says about the penalty for this offense. Is it really death?

    • This is from Reliance of the Traveller, Book R. “Holding one’s Tongue”, § 2.0, “Slander (Ghiba),” r2.2:

      Slander and talebearing are two of the ugliest and most frequently met with qualities among men, few people being safe from them. I have begun with them because of the widespread need to warn people of them.

      Also, concerning slander, Kitab Al-Tabaqat Al-Kabir relates the following event:

      Asma was the wife of Yazid Ibn Zayd Ibn Hisn al-Khatmi. She used to revile Islam, offend the prophet and instigate the people against him. She composed verses. Umayr Ibn Adi came to her in the night and entered her house. Her children were sleeping around her. There was one whom she was suckling. He searched her with his hand because he was blind, and separated the child from her. He thrust his sword in her chest till it pierced up to her back. Then he offered the morning prayers with the prophet at al-Medina. The apostle of Allah said to him: “Have you slain the daughter of Marwan?” He said: “Yes. Is there something more for me to do?” (Vol 2, p. 31)

      Corroborating this account from the life of Muhammad is an account from Ishaq’s Sirat Rasul-Allah:

      When the apostle heard what she had said he said, “Who will rid me of Marwan’s daughter?” Umayr b. Adiy al-Khatmi who was with him heard him, and that very night he went to her house and killed her. In the morning he came to the apostle and told him what he had done and he [Muhammad] said, “You have helped God and His apostle, O Umayr!” When he asked if he would have to bear any evil consequences the apostle said, “Two goats will not butt their heads about her”, so Umayr went back to his people.

      Ibn Sa’d’, Kitab al-Tabaqat al-Kabir, vol 2, trans. S. Moinul Haq, (India: Islamic Book Service, 1990), 31.
      A. Guillaume, The Life of Muhammad: A Translation of Ibn Ishaq’s Sirat Rasul Allah (Karachi: Oxford University Press, 2004), 676.

  8. “Freedom of Speech Has Boundaries”

    Have you heard about “everything goes”, “every end is loose”, “I don’t know I don’t care”, “Any culture goes”, “any religion goes”, “Any opinion goes”

    You know, as much as I hate to say it, “they” have a point. It is true. Many have said e.g. Dobson, that absolute freedom is chaos. Freedom to remove European boundaries. Freedom to import any jihadis, even those who were convicted criminals in their own countries, pretending that they were “mistreated” by their own “oppressive” governments. Once they are here they will be awed by the freedom and rights they will enjoy and be excellent citizens.

    The result: they did not change their spots. They are as stubborn as ever, until the western governments bent to their wishes, and deny that we and our western governments are oppressed by jihadis: in schools, hospitals, universities, even churches allow those filthy jihadis to proselytize in them, without horror on the part of timid Christians, except a few women.

    Cairo, Damascus, Lebanon, Libya, Bosnia, Kosovo, Winters and every chaos that happened anywhere in the muslim countries, and which were instigated by western countries, and which produced a bonanza of “refugees” heading to the “democratic free countries” , now spring up constantly in every western city, waiting to come to a head and implode.

    How could whole countries, nay whole continents, contract such a horrible mental disease of denial, and of living away freom reality, and of hatred towards their own people and nations, while looking up to 1435 years of long-known deadly ideology as perfect, nay, superior to our own, to be promoted and worshipped by zombie Traitor Class.

    Was not democracy supposed to elect the best of individuals to serve their own people?
    How come we elect the worst of individuals, whose ultimate goal is to condition us to revere and idolize the cult of violence and death?
    Take all of Europe, Australis, New Zealand, Canada, America. . . they behave and say congruent things, in an amazingly grovelling, crawling, toady, trembling way towards the religion of pieces strewn everywhere.
    Has the Earth ever seen so many continents singing in unison and praising their executioners? Providing them with welfare money, lodging, and every empowerment to enable them to dominate and subjugate us.

    And those who do this have been elected “freely” by us.
    Well to hell with such freedom and elections if the result is our demise colluded by Traitor Class and the soldiers of allah.
    What can you do? Where can you go? Who do you complain to? Who will listen. Abject cowards?
    The gov. says creatures who go to citizenship ceremonies to get their citizenship should not wear niqab.
    The judge ordered the gov. to desist from “discrimination” against jihadettes.
    Where do you complain? god dies when Nietzsche was born, and was replaced by The Pirate.

    • There is an uncorroborated witness report that Adolf, before rising to power in the NSDAP, received an extremely large donation of money which enabled him to ‘buy’ his way to the top of the party.

      There are also reports that Stalin had sponsors too, and could not be ignored by Lenin and Trotshy (who hated him) because he was a major funding conduit for the Bolshevik cause.

      We have to accept that clandestine funding (bribery)drives extremist politics; Congress was bought by the banks in 1913, resulting in the Federal Reserve Ponzi scheme, and that is history, not conspiracy!

      When a democratic society votes according to haircut or age or colour, then expect rogues and charlatans to win elections

      • ..and our own politicians have been bought and paid for by petro dollars.

        We have a General Election in May. Just remember, do not vote Conservative, Labour or Liberal democrat

      • Sderot, So painfully true.

        We need politicians that can’t be bought or sold.

        But where can we find them. We thought media would keeps people / politicians honest. But who will keep media honest?

      • I don’t think that it is any great secret that Hitler was courting industrialists to finance his vision of the NSDAP as the pre-eminent (and only) political party in the coming Reich.

        The Krupp family were one of the earliest of the large donors and there were party officials who were tasked solely to solicit donations from the captains of German industry.

  9. So a bunch of “extremist” lunatics murder some people…

    …then a crowd of “moderates” goes on the march to tell you that you need to do exactly what the “extremist” lunatics wanted.

    Anyone still think the “extremist” Muslims and the “moderate” Muslims are not the same group?

    They’re like chefs and busboys: they may have different jobs with different skill sets, but they all work for the same establishment.

    • Extremist jihadis come from Moderate muslims, as extremist Traitor Class, who deny us the right of self-defense come from “civilized citizens”

      A member of Traitor Cowardly Class behaved 40 years ago as they are behaving of today.

      What a strange world!

      You know what I am amazed at: How Orwell envisioned how the Traitor Cowardly Class would behave in 1984 while he wrote his book in 1948.
      Is satan directing the policies of the western world through Traitor Class?
      Yes, I want real freedom and democracy but not absolute freedom for our deadly enemies.

  10. Let them become more arrogant and vociferous.
    Holger Danske is awakening me thinks. 🙂
    I just wish he would get on with it. ASAP…..

  11. There were also four Jews murdered at the time of Charles, tell me, how did they ‘insult’ the prophet? Just by being born?

    But then Jews obviously don’t matter in the greater scheme of things, and even Muslim Action Forums cannot let a good crisis go to waste, better astounding hypocracy than moderate humility or repentance.

    I expect MAF holds all Jews responsible for the muslims killed during the Israeli defence against Gazan agression; hence murder of Jews is automatically justified in their eyes.

    One should therefore ask, oh Dave, why should all Muslims not be held to account for all the violence perpetrated in the name of their religion and prophet?

    • What is strange Hamas attacks Israel at will, and go and throw all the Jews into the sea and expects Israel no to defend itself and its people.

      Not only that. There is something stranger: All western countries, expect, nay urge, Israel to lie there and be murdered, or they are oppressors.
      Well if westerners all inviting jihadis to destroy them and are denying it, how can they be friends to the Jews, if they are their own enemies.
      Are they blind? How no one can see Israel being ringed by deadly merciless foe.
      This enmity and desire to exterminate Jews started in (Khyber, Medina) 1300 years ago, with the Jewish tribes there. And went on throughout history, nonstop.

      Muslims all around the world are frustrated because muslims always dined on the Jews. But Israel says no. After 1400 years it is time to lunch on you.
      Western countries support Tibetans to defend themselves. Why on earth that support is denied to the Jews and indigenous Europeans?
      We can split the atom but we can’t possess one iota of logic and a sense of fairness?

  12. I read all the comments before I started this response but I haven’t really calmed down.

    Just who do these hairy faced savages in maternity smocks think they are? When I left the UK things were bad but never as bad as this. What these people are doing is gathering together to deliver an ultimatum. Do as we say or your safety is under threat. As far as I am concerned this is a declaration of war but only one side is fighting.

    I do not believe there was any prophet called mohammed. So why should I care about him?

    I have never heard of Muslim Action Forum before. Sounds like an offshoot of the Islamic Forum of Europe. The Barnabas Fund sent me some photocopied pages from a book they published in English giving advice to the faithful on how to colonise a newly occupied area.

    I am still too angry so I will leave it there.

  13. My first reaction to that picture of wall to wall Muslims in front of Downing Street: does the British ruling class finally understand the horror of what it has done by importing the total enemy?

  14. In the U.K. we need another Cromwell, another man on a horse. The cohesive societal structures here have deteriorated to such a degree, that I do not believe it is reversible via democratic means.
    There have nearly been coups d’état here in the past. The Curragh Mutiny in 1914 is one example and a second was in 1974, because of the threat Harold Wilson (then Prime Minister) was perceived to pose to the country, by the armed services and MI5.
    “Cometh the hour, cometh the man.”

    • The Muslims will be returned to their pre Euro low profile status. It seems to me that the indigenous of Europe and their non Muslim immigrant populations have well and truly crossed the “enough” line. It’s only a matter of weeks or months before the earth quakes. No Muslim can convince any non Muslim any more that there is anything peaceful about their rotten thugs ideology. Let’s hope the modern day Cromwells are meeting in country homes somewhere in England.

  15. So does the moon God demand blood, or does the man God Mohammad demand blood? Without freedom of speech we could not answer this question. Deep down inside Muslims must know or at least suspect their belief system is flawed, and the result is violent denial. Mohammed was an epileptic, who had hallucinations and dementia a great deal of the time, was vain, spoiled and believed the world and everyone in it owed him. Is that the light of God? No. Islam is not a religion, it is a warlike political system only.

  16. Britain now has laws against openly prejudicial statements or actions — laws which might be beneficial if they were not applied only against Caucasians.

    This peculiarity in British justice has been explained to students as only fair, because Britain is dominated by Caucasians. And, it is argued, since Caucasians are responsible for the condition of the realm, only Caucasians should be prosecuted, fined, and jailed for discrimination. All Britain’s minorities, in other words, are victims by definition — and cannot be held guilty of violating the human rights of others, because whatever they do is done in reaction to a basically evil system.
    Otto Scott

    • Sharon, There is a two tier legal system operating in the UK involving selective law enforcement and prosecution in favour of ethnic minorities. It arose from the conclusions of the McPherson report on the Inquiry into the murder of black teenager Stephen Lawrence. One of the conclusions was that Colour blind law enforcement was no longer enough and that foreign culture and customs should also be taken into consideration.

      You may never have heard of the name Kris Donald. He was a 15 year old white Scottish boy from Glasgow who was abducted by Pakistani youths, tortured, mutilated and finally burnt alive. This happened around the same time as the Stephen Lawrence murder but remained unreported by the media south of the border for the usual “community cohesion” excuse.

      It is my sincere belief that the core of the McPherson report was drafted before the first Blair government stood for election and the promise of an enquiry was only made to secure the ethnic minority vote. The rest, as they say, is history.

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