Below is a debate between Tommy Robinson, the leader of the English Defence League, and Fiyaz Mughal, the leader of the notorious (and now defunded) “Tell MAMA” Muslim advocacy organization. It was aired this morning on LBC 97.3 FM, a London talk radio outfit:
Hat tip: ICLA.
Mr. Mughal, in my opinion, is a smooth-talking, silver-tongued snake.
People like Mr. Mughal need to called on their deceitful and deceptive rhetoric. They need to be told that their beautiful talk is deceptive because it is talk about what “should be” but does not address the real world situation–nor does it address Tommy’s points.
What ought to be. Yeah the multicultural ought work like that but but we all know that it doesn’t work like that. The Romans implemented Christianity as a state religion to give the Empire cohesion.
I am afraid that I could not take more than the first few seconds of Mr Mughal’s reply. I am just staggered by the arrogance of these people who flooded in here when successive governments opened wide the door against the wishes of and without the consent of the indigenous British. This gentleman says Britain is now a multicultural melting-pot which is a positive thing because he thinks they have made the country better. They have not. Surveys have shown that the indigenous population think that mass immigration was a serious mistake and a parliamentary committee found that it had been of no economic benefit to the country. It is not a better country than it was 60 years ago when it was happy, homogeneous and cohesive. It is a fractured, friction ridden, crime ridden, violent, unsafe hell hole. But what more can you expect from people who know they are safely protected by the British establishment and their one world masters whilst the indigenous population are villified and marginalised in their own country. England in the 1950s was heaven on earth. Now it is the opposite. I get so angry with these arrogant people. If the reverse had happened in their native Pakistan, India, Africa or the West Indies it would not have lasted long before we had been massacred. We want our country back, we never wanted this, we still don’t want this and we don’t want these arrogant unctuous, obsequeous people coming here and telling us that they have made our country better. It is a total and utter lie. Riots all the time, violence, murder, bombs, rape, dispossession and expropriation of a native people by foreign colonisers who are raping and pillaging the country in a way that they blamed the British for in respect of their own countries. In the end we left and came home and let them have their countries back as they demanded. If they so desperately wanted independence then why have they come chasing after us like little kids who cannot survive on their own. Do they want us to go back and look after them because they so need us? Well, we know why. The third world is that way for a reason and the first world was the way it was for a reason. Isn’t anybody going to have the guts to save the first world from the third and their one world backers?
Fiyaz Mughal’s slick talking wooed Tommy out into the soft ground, isolated him before labeling Tommy (in the nicest possible way), as an irrational angry young man, in this case the irrational being islamaphobic.
Slick talking – let the practitioner flow until the auduence pukes up on the toxic hypocrisy, then go in for the …
Sorry, I could not take more than two seconds of Mr Mughal. How does he know that Britain is much better as a multicultural melting pot? Just can’t handle the man’s total arrogance; his obsequeousness and his unctuousness. Your country is better because we from the third world have come and colonised it at the invitation of your governments but without the consent and against the wishes of the indigenous population whom they are driving out of their ancestors’ homeland.
Surveys have shown that the British feel that mass immigration was a mistake and a parliamentary committee found that it had been of no econmic benefit. What has it brought us? Afro-carribean rioting every generation, knife crime, gun crime, robbery, terrorism, murder, violence, rape, paedophilia and the dispossession and expropriation of the native population. I can assure you that pre-mass immigration 1950s Britain was a better country by far. It was happy, cohesive, peaceful, homogeneous, demoratic and free. Now it is a multicultural totalitarian police state hell-hole.
Our country has been colonised in a way that these people accused the British of doing to theirs. It is being raped and pillaged, robbed of its wealth. But we left and gave these people from the Indian sub-continent, Africa and the West Indies the independence they so craved. But they came running after us like big kids after their parents. Do they want us to go back and run their countries again?
We never asked for this and never wanted it. We want our country back now. India and Pakistan and Africa and the West Indies asked us to leave and we left and returned to our peaceful, civilised and happy country. Why do they need us so much? Perhaps because the third world is the way it is for a reason and will remain unchanged after these people have driven us out. The first world was that way for a reason. Could somebody please have the guts to save the first world from the the third and their one world backers before it is too late?
Very good point, “we want our country back,….. asked us to leave…..and we left…”
Rhodesia and even insisted over time on a change of government to the locals so that they could take care of their own.
South Africa and pressured again for the locals to be allowed to directly take care of their own.
Uganda also the same.
In all these countries they take care of their own, so surely they need the support, knowledge and work of all of their own in their own countries.
Just as we need to look after our own, and we now thank you for showing us how to cook curries and kebabs etc. Good byeee
In the beginning we must start asking nicely for them just to leave. After all it is not polite to ignore polite requests, and I am sure there are many ways of sharpening the point as time goes by, no more mosques, no more family immigrant reunions etc., deportations for law breakers and just etc. etc. tightening up.
Just an endless simple list reclaiming a lot of things that should never have been let go and so to tighten up, and a real pity it has not well and truly begun by now.
Politically this has to also be bedded in and that is where the real battle is.
Simpleton
“Surveys have shown that the British feel that mass immigration was a mistake and a parliamentary committee found that it had been of no econmic benefit.”
Please have you got a source for this?
Not from the parliamentary committee, so will it do from the secretary of the OECD
International Migration Outlook 2013
Well I hope that works url wise
Take note of Table 3.7 page 159 where the effects for a number of countries go into the negative and over years that will accrue into a significant drag/ difference.
I do not think that will include integration costs, increased security costs imposed on the general populace.
Also to realize that numbers may be blurred because of different groups like Polish, not needing as much health care, education or staying to collect the pension in comparison to other groups.
Almost too much gobbledygook or is it these days taqiyya and kitman but if others can make it more succinct I would appreciate that.
Sorry I just do not have the time
Simpleton
A House of Lords Committee in March 2008 ruled that the previous ten years of immigration had brought no economic benefit. I had thought that this had been extrapolated backwards to the very beginning in 1948. If anybody in Britain has information going back before the start of New Labour in 1997 then perhaps they might be able to supply it.
I am still looking for that survey on mass immigration into Britain being viewed as a mistake. I do remember it being on the news. However, in my search I have lighted upon Byron Roth’s the Perils of Diversity in which he said that the only way that you can control ethnically diverse nations is through force, how right he was.
In what way, exactly, is Britain a better place nowadays than it used to be -a way that is directly attributable to the influx of Muslims, and which could not have happened without uncontrolled immigration of Muslims?
I’d like to hear a mult-cult member answer that question – succinctly – without question begging.
Or lying.
Fiyaz Mughal is all about Taqiyya and kitman.
Around 12:08 in the interview…
Fiyaz Mughal : “Tommy listen, you seem a decent guy, you seem to be a decent guy, you seem to be reflective, the fact of the matter is some in your group are extremely violent and some in your group foment this violence, we need to admit it…”
Tommy Robinson: “I admit there’s racists in the EDL… I’m not denying it.”
Interviewer: “How do you feel about it?”
Tommy Robinson : “I don’t feel good about it. We’ve got golfers in the EDL. We’re not a golf society. We’re not a racist organization. There are racists in the Metropolitan Police Force.”
Fiyaz Mughal : “We want to move forward, the key thing is to move forward here. You say you want to create change, great, other people want to create change, but Tommy, let’s stop being an angry young man. Let’s work with the people who can actually make a difference.”
Putting aside the condescension of Fiyaz Mughal, his assumption, and the assumption of the non-Muslim Left in England, and of the government and media of England is that Tommy Robinson, and the EDL leadership, are responsible to account for any alleged act of racism, fomenting of violence, threats of violence or nasty statements attributed to a native Englishman against Muslims.
At the same time, the documented, highly visible acts of violence committed by Muslims against the indigenous English, which occur continually, and at a rate which dwarfs English on Muslim violence, no Muslim leader, no Muslim group, no imam, no English politician is ever expected to account for that.
When interviewed by the English press no English politician or Muslim ever has to worry about being put on the hot seat to explain the violence committed daily by Muslims against the English. After all, it was an isolated incident, nothing to do with Islam, most Muslims are peace loving and working hard towards community cohesion. But after watching Andrew Neill’s interview with Tommy Robinson and then this interview it’s obvious that the EDL, and every single Englishman, will always be on the defensive against the most trivial accusation of racism or hatred or threat of violence against a Muslim.
A Muslim in today’s England never has to play defense. I’m not sure how it’s come to that but England’s two tier system of justice is right there in plain view.
It is not the horrific attacks like Lee Digby that should concern us but the day on day ethnic clensing of so called muslim area, the low level abuse at white people in those areas. These Ghettos should not have been allowed to happen, and they must not become no-go areas for police/social services stc.
We also need to make Sharia law illegal, or if it must exist, then regulated by the department of justice. We must end the practice of female genital mutilation. And the false imprisonment of their women. And men who go to fight abroad should be flagged as potential terrorists and made to report to a police station daily for 10 years.
Fiyaz Mugha……….pure poison personified …….
Regards, Don Laird
Dogtown, Crankville County
Alberta, Canada
There were sex offenders and paedophiles working for the BBC, another one got sent down today.
Does this mean that the BBC as an organisation believes that sexually attacking defenceless children is a good thing and do they promote it as a matter of policy for all their members?
Of course not.
In any big organisation you’ll get one or two bad eggs. As they’re so fond of saying – not all Muslims are terrorists. Well apply your own logic to the EDL, numbnuts!
Perhaps a good response to these tiresome allegations of “some” unknown people associated with the EDL being “racists” coming from a BBC journalist would be:
Tommy: “Turns out there were child molesters and outright paedophiles working for the BBC for many, many years.
“Does that have any bearing whatsoever on the truth value of any assertion you make here today?”
BBC Interviewer: “Well, no.”
Tommy: “Then let’s move on …”
Fiyaz Mughal insists that sharia and dhimmi laws are implemented.
Successive dhimmi gubmints have given the soldiers of allah every reason to believe they can get away with murder, and they do.
John Loeffler of Steel on Steel talking about what goes on at prearranged “meetings” and how to sabotage them & get your message across – Here’s the link.
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