I received an email yesterday from a reader named Babs who had Blogger log-in problems and was unable to comment at Gates of Vienna. I offered to post her comment for her, but there was some confusion about which post she wanted her comment to be on. By the time the issue was clarified in a second email, the threads had moved on.
However, Babs’ comments are worth reading, so I’m giving them their own post.
Her take on these recent issues is lucid and sane, and shows that not all Americans are ignorant and/or unhinged about the ghosts of European fascism:
Sunday December 9th
I have found this entire discussion to be somewhat surreal. I stopped reading comments at LGF over 18 months ago because wading through the asinine to get at the gems wasn’t worth my time. I have used the site for headlines mostly.
I did however, go through some of the comments to CJ’s latest attack on Fjordman and did actually learn something. That is that CJ agrees with most of what Bat Ye’or says but does not agree with a European/Arab conspiracy right after the 70’s oil shock in which the Arab nations demanded that the EU accept their excess population in return for a stable oil flow. I guess this type of back room dealing is inconceivable to CJ. Were I to comment on his site I would point out the 76 billion dollars of potential oil contracts the EU negotiated with Iraq during the OFF embargo… Yeah, absolutely no precedent to the EU making back room deals in the Middle East…
On the issue of the Celtic cross… This one has really had me wondering what kind of insanity people buy into these days. Just this morning I was looking at my little home town paper and an ad was posted for our local medical lending charity. They lend out wheel chairs and stuff to local community members in short term need of these types of medical supplies. Guess what their logo was? A Celtic cross!
I am of Irish descent and I own several Celtic crosses. I think they are beautiful. Maybe I am stupid but, it actually took me a couple of weeks to even understand what the issue was, as the Celtic cross has been around for an awfully long time, it is a symbol of my heritage, and that the usurpation of that historic image by a small group could cause such an uproar that anyone displaying a Celtic cross had to be suspect of white supremacy. I think this site has given enough evidence of the Celtic cross becoming a symbol of national identity that, unless one wants to paint the entire Flemish people as unacceptable, there are enough headstones and monuments to attest to the fondness for the Celtic cross as a national religious symbol… and nothing more. I think this discounts completely the association of Flemish pride in culture with some type of fascist state..
The problem I see is the unwillingness of an American web site to separate the idea of culture from ethnic identity. In the US, we have the expectation that all ethnic people will retain some part of their former identity but will integrate themselves into the “American” culture. To say otherwise would fly in the face of 200 years of history. The fact that things are slowly breaking down in this regard is something that many Americans are just waking up to.
Nevertheless, it is mandatory to espouse these thoughts as our country is one of immigrants and, if the system breaks down entirely we will have anarchy. The U.S. is a very large country and the breakdown of this system is hard to detect in most people’s minds.
OTOH, the nation states of the EU are under siege not only from a flood of different cultures but from their very own governments and this is causing noticeable change in everyone’s lives. The concept that immigrants move to another region and adopt the culture of that region seems to be lost. Correct me if I am wrong, but isn’t that the crux of your entire argument; that rather than have the native population absorb and acknowledge new members of their culture they are now being asked to change their culture to acknowledge the new members?
This sea change cuts across any skin type or religion. I do not find it fascist to say “Hey hold on a minute, you moved here, I want to retain my identity and my culture in my country.” The fact that your governments refuse to stand up for this very basic tenet is what I see as the main problem.
Just yesterday I read an article about how the already very overtaxed medical staff in the NHS hospitals in the UK are being asked to swing certain patient’s beds toward Mecca 5 times a day in order for these individuals to be able to carry out their religious routines. While one might look at this as being very compassionate to a certain element of the patient population, what if you weren’t of that particular group and were busy having a medical emergency while this kowtowing to alien cultural sensibility were underway? One really has to ask when an indigenous population will finally say “No, we can not accommodate that.” Unfortunately for Europe, maybe never.
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I am unable to post on your site as I can’t remember my user name and password. I have tried every variation I can think of . So, If you would like to post this in your comment section, please feel free. If not, I just wanted to share my thoughts with all of you and tell you that I am in support of you.
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Monday December 10th
I don’t think it is necessary to post my comment anymore but, if you still want to post it I was thinking of posting on the “Charles Johnson should issue a correction” thread. Actually, you could put my comments in any one of the recent battle threads but, I think your reader community has moved on.
I find a lot of the dissent to be akin to the discussion of “how many angels can you balance on the head of a pin.” To that end, I read an extended discussion involving someone that wanted to debate a stylized Celtic cross vs. an historic Celtic cross and whether there were letters on the cross, does the cross bow out or in, what is the true meaning of having a rendition of a Celtic cross on the front of a book… ad infinitum. Meanwhile, I am looking at my “cross” collection and wondering about the deeper, darker meaning of the crosses I own!
I found this discussion to be somewhat offensive. What this commenter was saying was that we should all examine our Celtic crosses and, if they don’t meet PC standards (as defined by this man) we should hide our crosses from view because, if we don’t, then we are obviously playing into some white power thing and… next thing you know they will come for the Jews!!! I wonder how people get tied up like this?
There is a serious problem with accommodation of non-indigenous culture vs. indigenous people that want to retain their culture and way of life in Europe. Granted, the European people have made some mistakes; electing politicians that do not serve their inherent interests and, breeding at less than replacement level (those retirement checks need to come from somewhere). However, the time is now and people that want to retain their culture in the Western world need to stand up now. Not fight amongst themselves.
I have no clue what Charles Johnson is up to. I can only forgive him because he lives in Santa Monica CA and can’t understand the issue.