Of Canaries and Coal Mines

Our Israel correspondent MC takes look at “deniers” — not just Holocaust deniers, but all the deniers of historical events — and what they portend for the times that lie ahead.

Of Canaries and Coal Mines
by MC

A few years ago I was doing some work for a large British bank in Cardiff (Wales). I was staying in a caravan site in Risca on what was once one of the oldest anthracite coalmines in the country. As I am wont to do, I started looking at the history of this coal mine.

It was a shocking history. Although the coal was of very high grade, there was a lot of gas present, and not only was this gas extremely poisonous, but there were also some very bad explosions as well. This was where the use of canaries to detect gas became the norm: all the time the canary was alive, the air was safe and work could carry on. If the canary stopped chattering and started dying, it was time to get out.

The other day I came across this quote:

“Jews, it is often said, are the canary in the coal mine of civilization. When they become the objects of savagery and hate, it means the air has been poisoned and an explosion is soon to come.”

There was another:

Before the war the graffiti in Europe was ‘Jews to Palestine’; nowadays it is ‘Jews out of Palestine’.”

So where do we go?

It is a sad state of affairs that we have in the modern world, notwithstanding the post-war civilisation and tolerance, born of the pain and suffering of the ’30s and ’40s (we should not forget that for the Chinese, the war started in 1931 with the Japanese invasion of Manchuria).

The massacre at Nanking in 1937 is the subject of a denial movement. Some authorities in Japan claim that the massacre of civilians (250,000 +) never took place, and that it was a purely military operation turned into a propaganda stunt by the rest of the world (including members of the Nazi party present at the time). The Wikipedia entry has some very nasty graphic photographs for any who doubt its veracity.

Notwithstanding the overwhelming evidence, there are those who deny it happened.

The same is true of the Shoah. Holocaust-deniers point to the ‘swimming pool’ at Auschwitz as proof of the camp’s benign purpose. There is a fascinating book written by a British Soldier in one of the British POW camps in the Auschwitz complex. It describes the various compounds within the camp and their inmates (Spectator in Hell by Arthur Dodd).

When Dodd and the POWs disembarked they noticed dozens of bundles of clothing that had just been left by the rail tracks.[2] As they were marched to the concentration camp and factory where they would be working, Dodd tells of a teenage Jewish girl, stripped to the waist, who he says was being savagely whipped by an SS officer. Dodd and the other POWs attempted to get between him and the bleeding girl. The SS officer pulled out his pistol and threatened to shoot Dodd, who was at the front, if he interfered further. A Wehrmacht soldier warned Dodd that he meant what he said. The British troops stepped aside and the officer resumed his task of beating the girl.

The filth of Camp E715, with its accompanying smell of burning flesh from the crematorium at nearby Auschwitz II (Birkenau), was to be Dodd’s home for the next 14 months. During his imprisonment in Camp E715, Dodd witnessed the mistreatment and killing of Jewish inmates at the camp by their SS guards, including Jews hanging from the gallows in Auschwitz I and several pushed off high scaffolding.

And, yes, there was a swimming pool at Auschwitz I Stammlager, but the big question is who was allowed to use it?

Certainly not the Jewish inmates.

Auschwitz was primarily a huge labour camp it had 35 sub-camps and it housed many thousands of people who could be put to work for the Reich; POWs, politicals, Christians sects, Polish Catholic priests, homosexuals and criminals. All were kept in different sections of the camp. Auschwitz I Stammlager was built for Polish ‘Politicals’; the Jews were kept in Auschwitz II Birkenau alongside the crematoria.

A little ignorance goes a long way….

The modern Holocaust-deniers would have us believe that all the thousands of eyewitness testimonies are false and that prisoners were not mistreated in any way except later on when food shortages caused starvation to all and sundry.

The Jewish Virtual library has a section on Holocaust denial which contains astute rebuttals of all the denialist claims.

So what is my point? Elements in Japan deny the Nanking massacres because of the shame it brings to national pride, but Unit 731 (described as the Asian Auschwitz) is not so well-known, so it tends not to attract major attention, but is equally indicative of the sick society that these deniers wish to reintroduce. Auschwitz itself attracts a lot of attention and much controversy because of errors in perception. It was not a single purpose ‘Death Camp’ as were Treblinka, Sobibor, Chelmno etc. it was a general purpose labour camp with a very extensive capacity for genocide.

The horror of human depravity in the 1940s lead to a profound awareness of the frailty of human ‘civilisation’, and that there are some races, particularly the Jews, who have inexplicably provoked genocidal hatred from time immemorial. It was in recognition of this that laws against anti-Semitism were drafted in many countries, and also why the United Nations deemed the creation of a Jewish homeland to be a vital policy.

But once again, after 65 years, the canaries are dying. The poisonous and explosive vapour of Jew-hatred is once again common. It is fostered by neo-Nazi and Islamic elements, and is now tolerated by left-leaning political establishments worldwide.

Yet the canaries are just the primary indicator of a wider hazard. The conflagration that follows the death of the canary is not selective: it kills, burns and maims all who are in its path. Hate is corrosive to the fragile fabric of a civilised society. The toleration of hatred is a death sentence for many, but the positive encouragement of hatred, as has become apparent in Europe, must signify the end of civilization as we know it.

56 thoughts on “Of Canaries and Coal Mines

    • Yeah, sure, people do “invite” hatred don’t they? Look at those snobby French; they deserve what they get from the Algerians. And thank heavens the blighted English are finally brought to their knees, which they so richly deserve. Meanwhile, it’s long overdue, but the ignorant bellicose Americans are being shown a thing or two.

      But I sympathize with them. For sure.

      • I think that it is reasonable to point out that the English in Rhodesia made themselves hated. I’m not sure that they should have been obliterated or robbed by the Zimbabweans though. Gordon of Khartoum was hated and loved in equal measure by contemporary Sudanese. He ended the slave trade there for a while, gave em liberty, yet the Mahdi is the one with the Tomb complex, not Gordon. I don’t rightly know if Gordon should or ought to have been there. However he’s as good an example of British superiority as any other Victorian adventurer.

      • A French in Alger is something wholly different than an Algerian in France, isn’t it?

        Can you imagine a Swede in Israel telling the Jews they must abandon their race, religion and culture in order to embrace multiculturalism (or any other -ism)?

        This is what Mrs. Spectre does, and it is supremacy thinking of worst kind.

    • And women walking through a multi-storey car park at night are “inviting” rapists to drag them into the stairwell and sexually assault them?

      You haven’t exactly put forward a compelling argument there.

      • Group conflict, competition over resources and control of resouurces or the lack thereof is not the same as ambushing a woman in a parking lot.

        Zionism itself is an acknowledgment that Jewish people need a homeland which ought to reduce the jealousies that accompany a multiracial society.

        Here’s the thing, a society that knowingly tolerates a minority that statistically carries out all the known gangrapes (Muslims in Norway) cannot really moan about the quantity of rapes if it isn’t willing to expell the offending minority. The poor women who get raped ought to honestly address the insanity of their own government for putting Muslims in their midst.

        • Well Said self inflicted as here in good old Amerland …. Rapidly leaving the standards of Republic of our God Faith ….

    • There are virtually no Jews left in mainland Europe, the ascendancy and beuracracy of the socialist EU is entirely compromised of Christians, yet repeatedly, individuals who feel predisposed to needing to blame Jews for the mess their countries have devolved into, use a YouTube video of an irrelevant left wing moonbat, babbling about multiculturalism in a country with perhaps 10 Jews left, as some kind of Euraka moment, they video is catnip for that camp

      • [Your assertions lack merit].

        The British Government, the Tory party, has plenty of Jewish people at the top.

        Peter Mandelson (Prince of Darkness) is a very famous case of a Labour Party bod going off to shape Europe.

  1. It’s not just denial, as Orwell pointed out:

    The nationalist not only does not disapprove of atrocities committed by his own side, but he has a remarkable capacity for not even hearing about them. For quite six years the English admirers of Hitler contrived not to learn of the existence of Dachau and Buchenwald. And those who are loudest in denouncing the German concentration camps are often quite unaware, or only very dimly aware, that there are also concentration camps in Russia. Huge events like the Ukraine famine of 1933, involving the deaths of millions of people, have actually escaped the attention of the majority of English russophiles. Many English people have heard almost nothing about the extermination of German and Polish Jews during the present war. Their own antisemitism has caused this vast crime to bounce off their consciousness. In nationalist thought there are facts which are both true and untrue, known and unknown. A known fact may be so unbearable that it is habitually pushed aside and not allowed to enter into logical processes, or on the other hand it may enter into every calculation and yet never be admitted as a fact, even in one’s own mind.

    http://orwell.ru/library/essays/nationalism/english/e_nat

    The horror of human depravity in the 1940s lead to a profound awareness of the frailty of human ‘civilisation’, and that there are some races, particularly the Jews, who have inexplicably provoked genocidal hatred from time immemorial.

    I don’t think it’s inexplicable. Muslims claim hostility to Muslims is irrational and baseless and has nothing to do with their behaviour towards non-Muslims. I presume that, like me, you don’t agree and that you think Muslim behaviour does play some part in creating certain attitudes to Muslims. However, where your own group is concerned, you think its behaviour has nothing to do with the way it is regarded. For example, when I see members of your group supporting mass immigration and inter-racial marriage in the UK and US, while opposing the same for Israel, I do sometimes ask myself whether there is a double standard at work. Orwell is good on this topic:

    http://orwell.ru/library/essays/nationalism/english/e_nat

    • With the English in Regards to Poland. What more could the British have done than to Declare war on Germany and firebomb German cities in revenge?

      The Reason that the UK went to war in 1939 was to make Germany pay for swallowing up Poland. Of course we failed to declare war on the USSR for swallowing up the other half of Poland (a great mystery if there ever was a mystery). In the Soviet zone Jewish residents of Poland were quite happy to see the NKVD kill off the Ultra Catholic aristocrats and Polish middle class, in the German zone the Poles ravaged the Jews there with
      an assist from the Wehrmacht and Gestapo.

      Perhaps it was all far too confusing for people in the UK who new the score. Getting in the middle of that resentful uncivilized clusterfluque cost the Empire everything.

    • And those who are loudest in denouncing the German concentration camps are often quite unaware, or only very dimly aware, that there are also concentration camps in Russia.

      He calls them russophiles but there is an unstated implication that “those who are loudest in denouncing” are likely to be Jewish nationalists.

      Eastern Europe, it really was a complete effed up mess of competing ethnicities. Since the end of the cold war it’s turned into a relatively attractive place–now that century of insanity dust has settled.

    • What is your view of W.A.S.Ps who support “mass immigration and inter-racial marriage in the UK and US, while opposing the same for Israel” I am sure there are some.

      Are all W.A.S.Ps guilty because some of them are a bit erratic in their world views?

      Seems that there is some Quadruple Standards working here.

      Jews come in all shapes and sizes and colours, here in Sderot they are mainly from Morocco, Tunisia, Russia and laterly from Ethiopia, and I don’t suppose that most of them are the slightest bit interested in what goes on in the US or UK. Nearly all of them are here because people in the lands of their births decided that they ‘deserved’ to be bullied and punished because of their objectionable ‘behaviour’.

      • Last time I checked Israel was in Asia. Eventually that part of the identity will become more and more apparent to both Israel and Europe. I understand that one Israeli offcially recently caught flak for saying that Israel was a white man’s country: this is in relation to the recent influx of Africans who have been deposited back to Uganda. What was his name? I understand that there have been protests in Israel complaining about African asylum seekers and even some Africans claiming Jewish ancestry.

        • It was Eli Yishai. Israeli interior minister.

          “Israel is the white man’s country.”

          I agree with
          Him but I also know that practically any British politician would destroy his career saying such a thing. And most of the denunciations would come from freaked out Jewish journalists and politicians. Most blacks in the UK wouldn’t bat an eye about such a statement.

    • “For quite six years the English admirers of Hitler contrived not to learn of the existence of Dachau and Buchenwald. And those who are loudest in denouncing the German concentration camps are often quite unaware, or only very dimly aware, that there are also concentration camps in Russia.” – BFF

      The Communists kept Auschwitz, Buchenwald and Sachsenhausen open after the war and used them to hold “political prisoners”. One out of three inmates died.

      Applebaum, Iron Curtain: The Crushing of Eastern Europe, Allen Lane, iBooks version, pp. 269-272.

  2. Is it not just as dangerous to hold the politics of the present hostage to what could be termed Holocaust-guilt, the political hostage particularly being any expression or form of nationalism.

    • That ‘nationalism’ has been saddled with post-holocaust guilt is a travesty, the victims of the Holocaust, including the millions of non-Jews, were of many nationalities as were ther perpetrators.

      Until 1941 Stalin returned Jews who escaped to Russia to the SS. The Croatian Ustasi murdered near a million Serbian Orthodox Christians at Jasenovac and other camps. The Japanese were no angels of mercy either. The Slovaks paid the Germans to exterminate their Jews, the documents relating to the payment can be seen at the Jewish Museum in Bratislava.

      Of course the globalist agenda needs nationalism to be baaaad and thus smears at every opportunity and most people are too ignorant to notice.

      British Nationalism is baaaad, Scottish (socialist) nationalism is good, Welsh nationalism is acceptable but English nationalism is not. I obviously need some re-education here ‘cos it does not make sense to me.

      The article is really about the next holocaust, which I suspect will focus on Christians, I do not understand why the established churches are supporting the boycott of Israel whilst leaving Coptic, Pakistani, Nigerian and other Christians to suffer, but they are in for a shock when the penny drops!

      • The concept that nationalism is bad started with the horrors of the first world war, which as such destroyed the confidence of western civilisation, from that nationalism was developed as a reaction to social turmoil, in fact a National Socialist and an International Socialist is no different to me, they are both Socialists, the first one has allegience to his nation the second has allegience to a one world system, both see themselves as collectives and as a result will stamp on the individual or anyone who does not agree with them. Islam is a collective and I get the impression many of the internationalists see it as a tool to create a subservient and ignorant global population.

        Because the Internationalists want to create a one world system they have successfully defined any patriotic or nationalistic feeling as being racist or bad.

        Its a damn mess…

        And the Jewish people are just used as pawns by many to direct and control xenophobia to their own ends and of course we all know why Islam hates teh Jews, the Jews stayed strong in their faith and refused to accept Mohammed as being a prophet and were strong in their faith, that is why he hated them and within his religion set a death sentence against the Jewish people, definately in terms of Islam the Jews are the canaries.

        • Festung Europa was a fairly honest self assessment by Adolf. The Allies had to marshal the resources of Asia, North America, Africa, South America and Australasia to knock out the Germans.

          The results of that struggle are fairly obvious today if you walk around White Chapel, Hamburg Altoona, Norrebro, Frankfurt, La Defence, Marsailles, Detroit, Birmingham (UK and Alabama) and even backwaters like Cork or Bari.

          It might as well be the Apocalypse watching the whole thing unfold.

      • And of course English nationalism is seen as bad by them, because its based on the magna carta and individual rights as per the Anglo Saxon concepts, that is why its so dangerous to them.

          • ah…a Jew.
            s.ducain
            I knew it was you.
            Why? Because I saw
            “Jew”…

            We’ve all been remiss in our particular ways and thus have our particular hell waiting for us beyond this mortal realm to cleanse our souls. Mine will be six or seven or ten school-aged children who strew and leave ungodly messes I have to clean while they demand dinner and tell me they’re bored. The more I clean, the messier it gets…there will be no corner where I won’t be invaded by small, demanding beings…

            Yours? Doomed to live in close quarters with a minyan of observant Orthodox Jews who make you eat kosher and late into the night they will argue endlessly in Hebrew about the Prophets. There will be no place where you can get away from the sounds of Jews davening, arguing, expostulating loudly.

          • I was replying to this in the post above:

            “British Nationalism is baaaad, Scottish (socialist) nationalism is good, Welsh nationalism is acceptable but English nationalism is not. I obviously need some re-education here ‘cos it does not make sense to me.”

            Why English Nationalism is bad, its directly against the collective called international socialism…

      • It’s actually happening already. Iraq was among other things the extinction of Christianity in Iraq.
        No wonder Trotskiite types like Christopher Hitchens were so pro war. The only groups who were taken out were Iraqi Christians.

        Yay “Christopher”! You and Bush and his Neocons.

        • No, it wasn’t only Christians in Iraq who are persecuted. After Saddam was thrown out and the Americans left, the Yazidi in Nineveh are at risk of extinction, ; they face the same problem in Syria, too. The ones who have migrated to the Georgian area, Germany, sweden, etc., will continue to be distinct groups. The few Jews who were hanging on by their fingernails during Saddam’s reign are definitely gone.

          OTOH, the Kurds are a whole lot better off since the US invaded Iraq. No more chemical warfare practice on them by the powers that be in Baghdad. And it is they who have profited most from the extraction of oil up there – even as they also attack Yazidi.

          Christians and other minority groups are always safer under totalitarians – that was true in Iraq, Egypt, Syria. Unfortunately, though, the persecuted take on the same hatreds as their neighbors. Thus the Copts were among the most vocal and vicious when the Jews were kicked out of Egypt in the 1930s; they had the most to gain.

          No group, including the atheists, are free from sectarian bigotry.

          • Curiously enough I have a friend in the states who is from a Jewish Alexandrian family. She left in the 40s or 50s. I think it was when British troops were forced to evacuateSuez. She is a French speaker. I know all about that little scrap, my father was in the Anglo-French task force. Very demoralizing.

          • Are you offended when people speak of a ‘ catholic ‘ Dymphna ? I only ask because you defend Jews as if your life depends on it.

  3. “The modern Holocaust-deniers would have us believe that all the thousands of eyewitness testimonies are false and that prisoners were not mistreated in any way except later on when food shortages caused starvation to all and sundry.”

    We as Europeans, are told to either accept the claims made by those eye-witnesses on authority or face prison. So there is more than history at stake here, this is also about accepting or defying the argument of the stick.

    The problem I have, is that oftentimes these eye-witness testimonies seem to confirm the suspicions of some holocaust deniers, rather than refute them. Here of course, the case of Herman Rosenblat springs to mind.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HPzxTQ3t1wU

    But to understand the scale of this problem, one must view the deeply disturbing revelations that have surfaced about Steven Spielberg’s academy award-winning documentary “The Last Days”. The most widely viewed documentary about the holocaust ever.

    For this project, Spielberg had all the money in the world and access to thousands of survivor testimonies. But as shown below he ended up casting four main eye-witnesses, who were all so obviously lying.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80GgRWuXcO8

  4. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s8BA00I5-64&feature=youtube_gdata_player

    At the risk of being a Wenwewaz…

    Here Buckley shows the pit canary problem, and don’t think that it can’t happen here. London, Leicester, Birmingham, Bradford have all been lost to us already. The politicians that Buckley is talking to here are all supposed to be looking out for the interests of their constituents. But they are meddling mofos. Salisbury, a place far away of which we know little was one of the first dominoes to fall.

    • Well do not feel too bad, it looks like the Balkans are about to kick off again judging by the numbers of jihadist that are sharpening their knives to completely take over Bosnia. Funny thing is, the Russians are not going to sit this one out and they will help their Serbian brothers because it is a nice thumb in the eye of our feckless and weak western leaders.
      As much as I hate to say this, but, the Balkans will spread to a town near you.

  5. One important point this article seem to forget is that the winner of the war decides what the history book shall tell future generations.

    “Tell me who you are not allowed to criticize and I shall tell you who really rules you.” Voltaire.

    Luckily with the Internet more and more people are given opportunity to research other than only the established history sources. The result is increased efforts from governments of censoring and surveillance of normal data traffic. Refer to NSA scandal in USA.

    Truth really sets one free – which is the last thing the State wants you to be.

    • The writer of this article had some fifty members of the family in Lithuania, in 1945 they were not there anymore and they have not turned up since. Many Jewish families are in this position.

      Agreed the winner writes the history, but there are an awful lot of Jews ‘missing’ and no details of how fifty family members ‘just’ happened to disappear in a few years.

      Personally, I think the Holocaust happened much as is described in the Jewish Virtual Library as mentioned in the article. But we have failed to learn the lessons of that event, so now we are thinking who’s next?

      • A Jew who thinks the Holocaust happened much as described in the Jewish Virtual Library? Not much of a surprise, I dare say.

        Why do MSM so vehemently oppose historians digging into the matter, even jail them if reaching conclusions contrary to the authorized MSM history concensus?

        Why not let academia fight it’s internal natural disputes – in an ACADEMIC manner – perhaps finding the truth of the pudding once and for all?

        The way the show goes on more and more people become suspicious because of the lack of transparency. Is the truth too uncomfortable for the victor?

  6. MC,

    “Elements in Japan deny the Nanking massacres because of the shame it brings to national pride,”

    I’m not sure if it’s shame and national pride so much, revelations of their armed forces’ atrocities undermine the Japanese view of themselves and the image they would like the project as “victims”, during WW2 the Japanese were the Nazis of the Asia-Pacific. Like Moslems they have managed to cultivate a collective and selective amnesia about their past and con the public into believing the lie. In contrast to the numerous films and books produced cataloging Nazi barbarism, Hollywood and the media seem to be reluctant to portray the equally barbarous behaviour of the Japanese militarists, is it an excess of PC perhaps, or fears of accusations of “racism”?

    Other forgotten victims of the Nazis were the Roma, nearly a million were exterminated, historians will probably never know the exact figure, and the Roma have very few advocates.

    Contrary to popular myth, Jews were not the only victims of the Nazis, or even the most numerous, numbers are uncertain, however 20-25 million Slavs were exterminated in the Soviet Union, the plan was to kill 50 million directly, and indirectly by starvation in order to provide land for German colonists.

    Some of the most grotesque examples of historical ignorance are those gangs of Slavic, East European neo-Nazi skinheads.

    • Interesting to think about the use of far right, Nazi etc as labels nowadays, if you’re “bad” in some way you are equated to those groups – but how alike is Islam to “Jap” during WWII? Death cult. Check. Indoctrination of children. Check. Beheading prisoners. Check. Superiority complex. Check. Suicide bombers. Check. Dying for the cause. Check.

      Israel is surrounded by nations who are in many unfortunate ways just like the Japanese – and look what the civilised world did to them to get them to stop fighting and give up their false god!!

  7. “Before the war the graffiti in Europe was ‘Jews to Palestine’; nowadays it is ‘Jews out of Palestine’.”

    “So where do we go?”

    It’s very simple. The Left wants Jews to disperse themselves and then do something that Jews never did before – lose their identity.

    I have noted on previous occasions that it is the Left that cannot allow Israel to exist. In the West ( Although not fully western by any means, I tie Israel in with the rest for a variety of reason), religious and cultural identities, along with any kind of national sovereignty, have all go to go and Israel embodies all three of these unpleasant characteristics. Islam is pan-national in nature an is a natural fit for Socialism, so it must be supported.

    Western Socialists who initially supported Israel quickly realized their mistake and turned against that state – they could not allow a nation that has such firm foundations in religion and culture remaining as a sovereign entity when they were scheming to abolish all nation-states.

    • Excellent observation. It takes people a while to get there once they set out on their journey to free themselves, but that’s where they arrive.

  8. What is your view of W.A.S.Ps who support “mass immigration and inter-racial marriage in the UK and US, while opposing the same for Israel” I am sure there are some.

    That they’re deluded and suicidal and led astray by the mass media, academia and mainstream politics. All of which — whether you like it or not — owes a lot to the influence of a certain group. Here is the former chief rabbi of the UK identifying that group:

    Sacks said Britain’s politics had been poisoned by the rise of identity politics, as minorities and aggrieved groups jockeyed first for rights, then for special treatment. The process, he said, began with Jews, before being taken up by blacks, women and gays. He said the effect had been “inexorably divisive.” “A culture of victimhood sets group against group, each claiming that its pain, injury, oppression, humiliation is greater than that of others,” he said.

    http://isteve.blogspot.co.uk/2007/10/britains-top-rabbi-warns-against.html

    Are all W.A.S.Ps guilty because some of them are a bit erratic in their world views?

    Are all men guilty because men commit crime at much higher rates than women? Are all men great because maths, science, art and all other fields of high achievement are dominated by men? No. But there are obviously v. interesting trends at work related to highly important differences between men and women. And between races, because the men responsible for high achievement or crime are not drawn equally from all races.

    Seems that there is some Quadruple Standards working here.

    Where? If I say Muslims are responsible for the hostility of non-Muslims, do you agree? If you do, why does hostility become “inexplicable” when it relates to your own group? There are two possibilities (at either end of a continuum): either the hostility is irrational and psychotic or it has some relation to the behaviour of the group in question.

    Jews come in all shapes and sizes and colours,

    Yes, they do. So do Muslims. So is “Islamophobia” a valid concept? Is Islamophobia utterly baseless and irrational and an indictment of the viciousness and irrationality of the kaffir?

    …here in Sderot they are mainly from Morocco, Tunisia, Russia and laterly from Ethiopia, and I don’t suppose that most of them are the slightest bit interested in what goes on in the US or UK. Nearly all of them are here because people in the lands of their births decided that they ‘deserved’ to be bullied and punished because of their objectionable ‘behaviour’.

    Ok, let’s accept that for the sake of argument. Does it follow, then, that Ashkenazim aren’t hugely significant influences on the culture and politics of the West? If so, how do you explain facts like this?:

    If either Summers or Yellen gets the post, then the 98 percent gentile majority of America won’t have held the Fed Chairman’s post from 1987 through 2018…

    http://isteve.blogspot.co.uk/2013/07/yellen-v-summers-what-is-and-what.html

    If an unbroken line of Zoroastrians or Mormons or Iranian Muslims had held the post instead, would it be rational to ask whether the group in question had influence or power out of proportion to its numbers? And if it does, it is acceptable to ask whose interests they are wielding that power and influence in?

    I want my country, the UK, to act in the interests of its historic majority in the same way as Israel does. Unfortunately, one of the chief obstacles to that is the way racial consciousness among British whites is demonized. And when you look at who is responsible for that, a certain group are disproportionately, tho’ far from exclusively, represented among those hostile to my race and my ancestral religion. The same is true throughout the West, including Scandinavia. This does not mean everyone in that group is guilty, any more than it means all men will win the Nobel Prize for Physics next year. But the statistics don’t lie: members of that group have a strong tendency towards behaving in ways I don’t think are helpful.

    • “hostile to my race and my ancestral religion. ” Last time I checked, Anglo-Saxon civilization for the past 1000 plus years has been predicated around the worship of a Jew and his Jewish acolytes who were all practicing Jews . Apologies in advance if you are a Druid or Wiccan

      • Lol. There is that. However much of it was actually based on King Worship. Or Queen Worship. The Royal Cult.

        There was also the period where Jews were expelled from England. That is the period when the foundation of the modern state was set. Parliament, Constitutional (even unwritten) government, a native middle class… Christ? Potentially a figment of the imagination at the best of times, a Greek synthesis with elements of Asian despotism. The English were always at the absolute periphery of Roman influence, seen as heretical at even the best of times, non conformist and unlatin in temperament.

        What has Christ to do with Grendel and Tristan?

        • Corect me if I am mistaken please – but the Jews were expelled in 1290 under Edward 1st?
          Was it not Cromwell ( I assume you are refering to him when you talk about the foundation of “The Modern State”) who unoficially allowed Jews back 1656.
          Please clarify for me who and what period you are talking about. As far I can understand the constitutional monarchy Starts with the reign if Charles II.

          • Parliament predates Cromwell.

            Various bits and pieces of the constitution were in place before Cromwell came.

            Edward Longshanks was a formidable reformer.

            Did you know that Richard III developed some key ideas about trial law?

            Additionally the Levellerspractically wrote the Bill of Rights while in a conflict with Cromwell? You can see the Cromwellian bullets in the wall of the church in Burford. (well that’s what those holes look like)

          • Even a maligned supposed tyrant like Richard III was a liberal in many ways. Bail is his legal contribution to our legal code.

            i) The third statute: “every Justice of the Peace may let a prisoner to mainprize. No officer shall seize the goods of a prisoner until he be attainted.” This statute allowed “bail to those suspected of felony, protected them from imprisonment before trial, and at the same time prevented their goods being forfeited before conviction.”

      • @g: “hostile to my race and my ancestral religion. ” Last time I checked, Anglo-Saxon civilization for the past 1000 plus years has been predicated around the worship of a Jew and his Jewish acolytes who were all practicing Jews.

        “Logic”. Look it up in a dictionary. Then try learning to use it. Explain to me why Jesus being Jewish means Jews can’t be hostile to Anglo-Saxon Christians and vice versa. Have Christians never been hostile to Jews and never claimed that they betrayed their own Messiah? Is it mass hallucination among historians to claim that Edward I, a practising Christian, expelled Jews from England? Did Christopher Hitchens invent this?:

        And the truth is that the Jews used to claim credit for the Crucifixion. Maimonides described the punishment of the detestable Nazarene heretic as one of the greatest achievements of the Jewish elders, insisted that the name Jesus never be mentioned except when accompanied by a curse, and announced that his punishment was to be boiled in excrement for all eternity. What a good Catholic Maimonides would have made!

        http://www.skeptic.ca/God_is_not_Greatl.htm

  9. I’m not sure what point you are trying to make with throwing various facts that have little to do with each other. Whether or not Christ existed, or from whence his origins came has little to do with my point, same goes for the comment about expelling Jews and the emergence of a democratic system. Unless it was to somehow tie those 2 events?.I didn’t state that the emergence of Christianity prevented the Saxons, or Cornish , or Irish from developing their own folklore either, as you alluded to with the Tristan comment. I in fact just finished reading Bernard Cornwells series of books on the Saxon invasions,the Vikings , and King Arthur and that folklore was developed side by side with an emergent fervent following of Christianity. You seem to cast wide aspersions with a rather large net

    • It’s a paraphrased quote. An Abbot was admonishing his monks for reading Beowulf.

      “What has Grendel to do with Christ?”

      And I gues he threw his exquivalent of the chalk board eraser at his young initiates.

    • What has Ingeld to do with Christ?

      Are you an educated man?

      It’s a fairly well known statement.

  10. It would be instructive to read a description of what happens after the canaries stop singing, a step-by-step analysis of what happens. It can’t just be a careening over the precipice. There must be stages a society passes through, a series of gradually worsening symptoms that beset it …

    • One can use history to speculate, both Stalin (Doctor’s Plot) and Hitler (Holocaust) started purging Jews just for being Jews, one could also consider the inquisition which lead to the driving of Columbus onto his now famous voyage of discovery. These were all world changing events….

      Today, these things are on a global scale, and I can only draw your attention to the Georgia guide stones:

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgia_Guidestones

      • Stalin has a very complex relationship with Jews. The Soviet Union isn’t defined by him either. One result of the October revolution is that Jewish people were able to take up leadership positions in the former Russian Empire, and boy oh boy did they. After 1917 it was very safe to be Jewish in Russia and up until 1937 it was probably an enormous advantage. Note well these two facts: the Soviets did not suppress or destroy any Synagogues in the 1920s or 1930s. They did demolish orthodox cathedrals and churches and butchered 10,000s of Priests. Can that be explained by singing canaries?

        Hitler by contrast has no such complexity.

        • These ‘Jews’ were atheists as this was the mandatory religion of the USSR. So whilst they may have been of ‘Jewish’ descent, they were not Jews by choice. They were all purged by the late thirties anyway.

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